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Topic: To Tom: about Groups, email lists, digests, forums (17 msgs / 364 lines)
1) From: Michael McTryk
Tom, I know that you are inundated with ideas and info about forums,
lists, video codecs, torrents etc. etc. etc.
I really think that an answer to the list and forum problem might be
Google Groups. Yes I know ... Google is taking over the world but it
might be worth your time to take a quick look.
I personally don't have a lot of experience with it but my son who is
a big lister absolutely loves the functionality and the sort of
marriage of the forum and list idea.http://groups.google.com/intl/en/googlegroups/about.htmlThe following two paragraphs are taken from the above link:
4. How do I set up my own Google Group?
Go to the beta homepage for our updated product, Google Groups, and
click on the "Create a new group" link in the menu on the left side of
the screen.
Group creation is a two-step process. The first involves naming your
group, creating a group email address, and setting your group's
privacy level. The second step involves adding people to your group.
For this step, you'll need a list of email addresses of the people
you'd like to invite. Once you've finished adding people to your
group, you're done. You can also customize your group. For example, a
group can be restricted (only people who've been invited can read and
participate in discussions) or public (anyone can read and search
group content). You can also create custom types like an
announcement-only group.
Finally, group members can choose how they'd like to be notified of
new activity in their groups. For important groups, members may choose
to receive an email message every time a new message is posted to the
group. For less time sensitive groups, users may choose to receive a
daily summary email or simply read the group on the web.
5. Why would I want to move the mailing list I manage to Google Groups?
Google Groups is a simple and reliable service for managing and
archiving mailing lists. In addition to basic mailing list
functionality, all your mailing list content will be stored and
searchable on the Web. Unlike other free mailing list services, Google
Groups offers generous storage limits and only displays relevant text
ads (never banners or pop-ups).
To move your mailing list to Google Groups, create a new group by
clicking "Create a new group" in the menu on the left side of the
screen. First, name your group and fill out the other required info.
Next, add the email addresses of the people in your group. Select the
option to either automatically add members or send invitations.
Copying and pasting an existing list of email addresses into this form
is one easy way of populating your group. Once you're ready, click
"Done" and notifications or invitations to join your group will be
sent out momentarily.
Michael McTryk
The Outback Roasterhttp://members.shaw.ca/mctryk/

2) From: Maryann & Dave Schellenberg
Hi, again, Michael.
Someone else has suggested Yahoo Groups, but I find reading messages 
there to be awkward, and really dislike the advertising that intrudes.
My main issue with Google Groups is that you must use a working email 
address to post there. To me that means being inundated with spam.
Sure, on this list we also use our real email addresses, but it's not as 
open to the public, so it doesn't get harvested for email addresses.
That's my two cents worth on the subject.
Dave S.
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3) From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
Hi Michael - i have been playing with google groups. in fact, go 
ahead and join Home Roast List group and check it out. I can receive 
the emails I post via the web browser, but my posts sent via email 
are getting rejected. in any case, I think it is much better than 
Yahoo Groups, which makes you look at a lot of ads...
If you join the group, and are able to send a post via email , let me know
Tom
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                   "Great coffee comes from tiny roasters"
            Sweet Maria's Home Coffee Roasting  -  Tom & Maria
                      http://www.sweetmarias.com                Thompson Owen george_at_sweetmarias.com
     Sweet Maria's Coffee - 1115 21st Street, Oakland, CA 94607 - USA
             phone/fax: 888 876 5917 - tom_at_sweetmarias.com

4) From: Scott Marquardt
Google groups suck.
I say that as a lover of most things Google. But they destroyed usenet
(dejanews, we miss you) and actually seem to have fostered the notion that
anything found at Google groups is, well, "Google groups" -- as if usenet
was no more.
It's bad enough that venerable usenet was turned into a mess riddled with
problems they still haven't fixed in their archives, much less their postin=
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functionality. That they're responsible for veritable disinformation is
inexcusable.
Yahoo groups sucks too, for different reasons.
I don't use the forum for posting, I use the mailing list. I'll throw in my
vote for sticking with the mail. Maybe I should check out the forums,
though. Dunno.
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Scott
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5) From: Michael Wade
Just joined the Google list and sent a test email.  No joy.  So far the list 
has not incremented the number of members either.  Perhaps there is a delay?
Michael (yes, another one) Wade

6) From: Brent - SC/TO Roasting
I know this has been discussed to death.  But I would sooner drink Maxwell
House than do Google Groups.  It's nothing but purtified usenet, with all
the accompanying spam that comes with it.  I have posted four or five
messages to alt.coffee (using another account) in the past two months.  Tha=
t
account currently has 2,863 spam messages.  And nothing else.
Just one cantankerous ol' coffee drinker's opinion.
Brent
My coffee is better than it tastes

7) From: Steve Hay
On 4/14/06, Brent - SC/TO Roasting  wrote:
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Why the hatred for Google Groups?  The way I see it, Google probably saved
DejaNews/Usenet from going away altogether, and they provide some way to at
least access it..  You can complain about bugs and such, but at least its
there and somewhat working..  I'm also unsure why people are so upset about
Google Groups in terms of the interface?  People have been top-posting and
stuff for years; I don't think Google really had much effect on that, excep=
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to maybe give more dumb people access to a public repository.
My 2c.
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Steven Hay
hay.steve -AT- gmail.com
Barry Paradox: Consider k to be the greatest element of the set of natural
numbers whose description require maximum of 50 words: "(k+1) is a natural
number which requires more than 50 words to describe it."

8) From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
I met have set "new members - approve posts" ... let me go approve 
posts and change that setting.
Tom
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                   "Great coffee comes from tiny roasters"
            Sweet Maria's Home Coffee Roasting  -  Tom & Maria
                      http://www.sweetmarias.com                Thompson Owen george_at_sweetmarias.com
     Sweet Maria's Coffee - 1115 21st Street, Oakland, CA 94607 - USA
             phone/fax: 888 876 5917 - tom_at_sweetmarias.com

9) From: Brent - SC/TO Roasting
I can't say that it's hatred.  Just a strong, informed preference.
Usenet/GG does serve a purpose.
If you don't mind getting spam such as I described, then it's fine.  I for
one would prefer the closed-list approach if it means no spam.  Such as thi=
s
mailman format.
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Brent
My coffee is better than it tastes

10) From: Steve Hay
On 4/14/06, Brent - SC/TO Roasting  wrote:
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I tend to agree I like the privacy of a list like this.  It acts as a kind
of filter, which can be nice.  I tried being a regular on a.c and it was
just too darn much information, even if there was some interesting
discussion in there somewhere.
I am just puzzled at some's absolute HATRED of Google Groups..  Maybe its
because I was never heavy/deep into usenet, but when Google did their thing=
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I was kind of happy about it because (I forget the reason) I wasn't sure
about the future of DejaNews and whether that info would be kept at all.
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Steven Hay
hay.steve -AT- gmail.com
Barry Paradox: Consider k to be the greatest element of the set of natural
numbers whose description require maximum of 50 words: "(k+1) is a natural
number which requires more than 50 words to describe it."

11) From: Martin Reuben
I've complained about this for years and it's recently gotten even  
worse.
Until people can learn to post in plain text only, this list is  
virtually unintelligible.
Google Groups, Yahoo Groups, vBulletin, IT JUST DOESN"T MATTER ANYMORE!
Let's please move it to some place not dated in early 25 year old  
technology.
This list is awesome, it's just too bad that it's almost impossible  
to read.

12) From: Michael Dhabolt
Martin,
I used to feel the same way.  Another list member suggested that I try
Google Mail just for this list and sent me an invite, and instructions
to change my preferences athttp://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettingsto
individual emails and direct it to the new gmail account.  It is
really a great way to view the list, it does as good a job of
threading as any reader I've ever used.  If you're interested I'll
send you an invite?
Mike (just plain)

13) From: Jerry Procopio
Hey! We haven't had a good hot discussion about top-posting on this list 
for about two years.
JavaJerry
RK Drum roasting (and top-posting) in Chesapeake, VA
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14) From: rnkyle
I like top posting or at least a small snip from the orginal post and reply 
underneath.
RK

15) From: Aaron Peterson
On 4/18/06, rnkyle  wrote:
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Ick.
Aaron "Purist" Peterson
Versailles, KY

16) From: raymanowen
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Me too!
I'm not too S-Ick.
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
Got Grinder? Serious Coffee demands Serious Grinder- why blow it?
On 4/18/06, Aaron Peterson  wrote:
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17) From: Aaron Peterson
On 4/18/06, rnkyle  wrote:
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I think I misread this earlier.  Or perhaps just stopped reading after
"I like top posting"
Anyway, I'm all about the snippage of extraneous crap with a short
quote of what's pertinent to the reply and the reply underneath.  That
is very readable and efficient I think.
RK, now that you have my seal of approval: Go forth and prosper :-)
Aaron "Should read the whole post if he's a purist" Peterson
Versailles, KY


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