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Topic: Why did my Bodum Santos stall? (19 msgs / 421 lines)
1) From: DeCambre.Peter
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2) From: b cook
Tonight I was brewing a pot of Kenya AA in my Bodum Santos.  I was doing th=
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8 cup brew with the appropriate amount of coffee ground to the same grind I
use for drip (finest setting of the "Medium" section on Capresso Infinity).
I use the method that Tom suggests of preboiling the water and then pouring
it in the Santos over the stove.  The water returned to a light boil and th=
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water went up top as usual.
I waited three minutes and then pulled it off the heat and the coffee
started to suck back down to the bottom.  However, it got about halfway up
or less and then stopped.  No more coffee came down from the top.  It just
sat there.  Anyone have any ideas why?
The rubber gasket that seals around the stem looks ok to me.  I'm guessing
it didn't create a seal to allow the vacuum though.  Has anyone had this
happen?
brad

3) From: Brett Mason
Three things may have contributed to this:
1. When you replaced the upper bowl, you didn't seat it properly, so a
vacuum did not form well enough when it came off the heat
2. Your filter got clogged.  Even though you ground correctly, perhaps just
enough fines were in there to halt the trip south
3.Your seal looks OK but isn't.
Well, there's 3 cents worth.
Brett
  Zassman
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4) From: Terry Stockdale
At 08:26 PM 4/18/2006, you wrote:
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Welcome to "the stall"..  We've all had them.  I found that moving to 
a coarser grind solved mine.  For the 8-cup, I have four scoops of 
beans, ground at "40" on my Rancilio Rocky (real zero on the grinder 
is at "2").  I also use this same setting for drip in my Cuisinart DCC-1200.
I don't preboil the water.  I fill the Santos from the faucet and 
then put it on the electric range (without any heating trivet).  It 
takes a good while to boil, maybe 5minutes.  Once the maximum water 
is up, I turn the heat down to medium.  I let it continue to boil for 
60-90 seconds (depending on bean) before taking it off the heat.
It takes about 1.5-2 minutes to come down.  I rarely have a stall.
Two other tricks:
1)  I wet the Santos' gasket before inserting and seating the top 
section into the bottom, and
2)  I use a Cona glass rod instead of the Santos plastic filter disk.
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5) From: b cook
Now that's interesting, Terry.  On the SM's website it says that the Cona
rod cannot be used as a replacement for the Santos.
I'd like to get a glass rod.  I'll probably end up with a cory rod.
brad
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6) From: Terry Stockdale
Hummm...  I wonder if the Cona rod or the Santos has changed.  I 
picked up a Cona rod over a year ago on eBay, when a lot of folks 
were talking about using them with their Santos vac pots.
Terry
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7) From: Gary Townsend
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Brad,
A little trick I use when I get a stall (using cloth filter...yeah,
experimenting with different grinds of the same coffee is the culprit), is
to use the edge of a round spoon tip to gently rub the top of the filter,
enough to allow the vacuum to resume. You are not alone, this can happen an=
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why lose an otherwise good pot of coffee? If you are using a glass filter,
try tapping it gently, or pushing on the tip of it, to break the seal cause=
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by too many fines. 9 out of 10 times The grind is too fine, or too coarse
with lots of additional fines using an inexpensive grinder.
You can tell, during a stall, if your vac seal is working. Just try to
separate the 2 globes. If they separate rather easily, then the gasket seal
is the problem. If they are *stubborn* then the seal is alright, and it's
the grind clogging up the filter. I use a Nicro stainless steel ( the entir=
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filter assembly is too!) vacpot every morning @ 4:15am Mon -Fri, and a Yama
20 oz every afternoon, and 3 to 4 X a day on weekends. I have not used a
drip machine since I broke the carafe a few months back on my 2nd Clarity.
Vacpots Rule!!! ;-O
Gary
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"I may be wrong, but I'm never in doubt." MM

8) From: Aaron
Brett hit on the things that can cause the problem, the main things, I 
am going to address another issue
 I have noticed is that some coffee's seem to be more prone to 
stalling.  You can use the same grind, and one type of bean will work 
just great, another sluggish, or even stalling.  I have found this 
happens even with my swiss gold as well.  I don't use it very often but 
wonder if other folks have noticed this with a french press?
anyone else seen this or just me?
Aaron

9) From: b cook
BTW, I ended up running the coffee from the top through my Presto
Scandinavian basket with a filter in it.  It was ok but it had cooled off
considerably by the time it was ready to drink.
brad
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10) From: Peter Zulkowski
Seems to me that different coffee beans, and different degrees of roast, 
seem to leave a 'drier' bean. These drier beans have a tendency to crack 
and shatter while being ground, and leave more fines no matter  what 
kind of grinder you have.  Some beans just make more powder in the doser.
So yes, I have seen this happen Aaron. :)
PeterZ
Still loves his Mazzer Mini, here in LHC
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11) From: Aaron
Peter, would it definately be from a 'drier' bean?  I notice that kona 
is real good for wanting to clog.  I don't really roast that much past 
first crack.  Granted I am not a kona expert as some others are but I 
wouldn't think that would dry it out that much. 
I find that if it gets real bad, take a spoon and scrape the screen 
gently to pull some of the coffee away and you can start drawing down 
again.  The swiss gold this doesn't work as well since you only have 
gravity, and no vaccuum to assist the coffee in its travel.
Aaron

12) From: b cook
Aaron,
I do that with my Melitta pour-over sometimes.  Sorta tried it with the
Santos last night but it was more of a stirring than a scraping from that
area.
brad
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13) From: Peter Zulkowski
Usually I roast into second crack, which does seem to dry out the beans 
more I guess.
Also I am not sure how other grinders are doing, but just before I 
joined the list there was some great discussion about how good grinders 
were..
people were even screening the results just to see how even they really 
were.
My results with the Mazzer Mini:
there is always a certain amount of powder along the sides of the doser 
when I grind.
It may be just because I roast so dark, but given that every batch no 
matter what the roast has mis shaped and or broken beans,
even some smaller and larger beans, then I would think that these 
renegades would roast differently no matter what level you took the 
average to,
and they would  perhaps grind differently.
They may even be pulverized into dust, or some portion of them would be.
Especially if you have scorched beans.
Would not that part be drier than the rest of the bean and hence be more 
apt to turn to powder?
Now I am going out on a limb here by saying that there is no grinder 
that and make a perfect grind, you will always have some powder.
I jumped from a cheap grinder to a Mazzer after reading all the horror 
stories here about sub standard grinders, so I have not tried all the 
grinders made.
But then, how much powder is too much?
If the rest of the grind is even, then is the powder enough to cause 
stalling? or clog screens?
It is something to think about anyway.
PeterZ
My .02 from her in LHC.
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14) From: Mr Gnome
I've read about Bodum Santos' stalling during the brew.  It seems that mayb=
e the vaucum isn't enough to overcome the resistance of the grinds.  Try gr=
inding coarser and maybe not stirring the slurry too vigorously might help =
as well.  Changing the filter might help as well but I forgot which one is =
recommended.
From: bradhomeroast: homeroast: +W=
hy did my Bodum Santos stall?Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:26:17 -0500Tonight I=
 was brewing a pot of Kenya AA in my Bodum Santos.  I was doing the 8 cup b=
rew with the appropriate amount of coffee ground to the same grind I use fo=
r drip (finest setting of the "Medium" section on Capresso Infinity).  I us=
e the method that Tom suggests of preboiling the water and then pouring it =
in the Santos over the stove.  The water returned to a light boil and the w=
ater went up top as usual. I waited three minutes and then pulled it off th=
e heat and the coffee started to suck back down to the bottom.  However, it=
 got about halfway up or less and then stopped.  No more coffee came down f=
rom the top.  It just sat there.  Anyone have any ideas why?The rubber gask=
et that seals around the stem looks ok to me.  I'm guessing it didn't creat=
e a seal to allow the vacuum though.  Has anyone had this happen?  brad
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15) From: Barry Luterman
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Try this F-103S siphon Filterhttp://www.avenue18.ca/ACC3.htm

16) From: Angelo
I, personally, would opt for the filter which uses paper refills (538 
- F-103M), although,either one would be better than the plastic disk 
that comes with the Bodum...
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17) From: John Blumel
On Apr 23, 2006, at 4:28 pm, Angelo wrote:
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This one actually works very well if you thoroughly rinse the filters  
off with water before using them, otherwise, you get some nasty,  
paper filter taste.
John Blumel

18) From: Angelo
I would wash off any paper filter, at least the first time.. After 
that,  they lose that paper taste and you have to watch for the 
coffee smell. That tells you it's time to use a new one... The 
advantage with this one is that you can get new filters in the 
supermarket for much less money and inconvenience vs. web purchase
A+...
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19) From: John Blumel
On Apr 23, 2006, at 5:31 pm, Angelo wrote:
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I always just threw them away after each use, so every time was the  
first time.
John Blumel


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