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Topic: New HotTop Roaster-Control Panel Adaptability AND Datalogging Diatribe (3 msgs / 106 lines)
1) From: Jeremy DeFanco
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-On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:36:52 -0400, Robert Avery raverys12 wrote:
Did they say that the new panel will be compatable with the conventional
unit like now. You can upgrade the panel as you know to the digital from the
stand. panel. ???? would be nice to have a little bit more control ....
stilll does a good job though. Later, Bob
     The new Hottop will NOT be come with a control panel adaptable to
current models : ( . To be honest, I am dissapointed about not being able to
change roast temperature into the roast. They should have tried to take home
roasting to new leaps and bounds, instead of following the lead of iRoast2
(which I do like, by the way.). Always baby steps. Always baby steps. I will
not be surprised if the software/firmware will need some major enhancing and
modification after release as well. Bottom line- Home Roasters want an easy
way to link roasting real-time to computers and or PDAs with graphing and
analysis software that is compatable for users of ALL computer literacy
levels. Although I hope everything turns out awesome, I am willing to bet my
life-savings that the real-time analysis and graphing will be extremely
limited, and will probably leave us like we seem to have always been left
before- in the dust, wandering WHY they just couldn't have done this, or
that, or just would have taken that into consideration..! These roasting
companies need to realize Excel just doesn't cut it! Excel SUCKS! The
graphing utility sucks- it is primitive and rudimentary; you can't properly
define grid intervals, axes dimensions, its tedious, because it's not
written for home roasters, the features are jokingly close to nill.
      New, user-friendly, easy-to-use, but complexity limited to user's own
desire to learn more Software NEEDS to be developed!!! -Software developed
and designed JUST for home roasting- of any skill level and desire-
PERIOD!!!And whoever develops this software, if they want to make lots of
money, they should make it adaptable to all sorts of dataloggers, and future
roaster ports, so as some people aren't assed out because they have already
spent so much money on such and such a data recording device or roaster, and
it lacks compatability. 
     Part of the reason I am going off on this whole diatribe is that I just
bought that Madgetech Datalogger I posted about not so long ago, and
although the logger is awesome, and being able to watch my roast create a
temperature graph in real-time is an entirely new level in roast-monitoring
and analysis for any home roaster, the software quite frankly sucks!, and
the sad thing is I would not have been better opting for buying another
company within the same price range, because, AS OF YET, THERE IS NO
COMPANY-DESIGNED SOFTWARE DESIGNED FOR HOME ROAST DATALOGGING AND VERY
IMPORTANTLY, REAL TIME GRAPHICAL ANALYSIS. I have come across certain
platforms used in industry from searching online that look awesome! But who
wants to spend over $1,000 on home-roasting software! That's another caveat-
It should not cost an arm and a leg for homeroasters who want to log and
graph their roasts in realtime, and very simply analyze them and compare
them (even with the ability to compare 2 or 3 roasts at a time would be
sufficient). 50-75 BUCKS- That seems about right for all the previously
mentioned features; maybe $99  or $129 for a more skilled version with more
options- hardware sold separate, of course. THE PROBLEM IS SOFTWARE
DEVELOPING COMPANIES AND ENGINEERS DON'T HAVE A CLUE ABOUT HOME ROASTING,
DON'T REALIZE DEMAND IS THERE, ESPECIALLY IF MADE HIGHLY ACCESSABLE, AND
USER FRIENDLY, AND SLIGHTLY OPEN TO SETTING USER'S OWN PARAMETERS. 
     Anyway, I look forward to hearing more about performance of the new
hottop with regards to the new programmability features. I also wander if
they have fixed chaff removal problems as well. But until hell freezes over,
or somehow I magically end up with enough time on my hands to learn how to
develop and write new software, I'll be waiting for a computer program that
allows me to plug in my USB Datalogger or new USB-compatable home roaster
machine, allows me to start a new roast file or open up already saved ones,
allows me to type in info on the beans, roast program used, ambient temp,
amount of chaff, cup quality (with SCAA defined fields, and included SCAA
cupping tutorial or option to buy tutorial add-in) (with my own labels and
parameters for bean info and roast info able to be set by me!), and I'll
look forward to graphing temps of my roasts in real time (along with
humidity if so desired), and even graphing new roasts of one bean in
real-time on top of a saved graph for the same bean that I just pulled up...
I'll be waiting.. Wishing you all the best, Jeremy

2) From: Steve Hay
On 4/21/06, Jeremy DeFanco  wrote:
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I can program in C++ and a few other languages...  I think it would be fun
to give this a shot.  Right now I am probably dumbest in the area of "how d=
o
I interface with the datalogger/probe?" Question, but I think what you are
asking is very do-able.
--
Steven Hay
hay.steve -AT- gmail.com
Barry Paradox: Consider k to be the greatest element of the set of natural
numbers whose description require maximum of 50 words: "(k+1) is a natural
number which requires more than 50 words to describe it."

3) From: Jeremy DeFanco
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On  Fri Apr 21 20:15:01 2006, Steve Hay homeroast
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I can program in C++ and a few other languages...  I think it would be fun
to give this a shot.  Right now I am probably dumbest in the area of "how do
I interface with the datalogger/probe?" Question, but I think what you are
asking is very do-able.
 
-That's Awesome! Definitely let me know how it goes... I'll be waiting to
hear the results of this one! Good luck, Jeremy
 


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