I am considering picking up one of these. The Bodum Antigua or the Capress= o 551. They are both used and offered at under $30. I am not happy with my current grinder but I don't have $ to spare at the present. I wonder whethe= r either of these would satisfy? A little help please. Don
<Snip> I have a few Antiguas for non-espresso use, and they perform very well. I bought one in a thrift shop in near perfect condition for $6, so check the shops. When you get the Antigua, disassemble it and remove the metal door in the grounds chute. It serves no purpose other than creating a dam for grounds to plug up the chute. I had a grinder similar to the Capresso 551. It is a high speed dust bomb, forget it. Ten seconds to grind, ten minutes to clean up afterward. And if you do not clean it, grounds will build up in the top burr screw and make it impossible to adjust the grind. I repeat with emphasis, FORGET IT. There is no comparison with the Antigua. --
The metal door on my Cory grinder holds back the grounds until sufficient mass pushes the door open, and they fly out. The instructions indicate tha= t if specks are flying everywhere, push that door closed until the grinder forces it open - the stuff flying about will stop. And it works... Maybe the door on yours is to help with the mess? Brett On 4/22/06, Ken Mary wrote: <Snip> e <Snip> , <Snip> f <Snip> -- Regards, Brett Mason HomeRoast Zassman
Specifically - here's the instructions on the Cory: COFFEE DEFLECTOR The little hinged gate or deflector B (Fig 1) controls the flow of ground coffee and prevents a separation of the light and heavy particles, thus keeping the product uniform. The first time the mill is used, the ground coffee may blow out of the outlet instead of falling into the receiving glass. This may also happen if the deflector is lifted while the mill is running. Should this occur hold the deflector down against the outlet for a few seconds while grinding coffee. When the motor sounds like it is slowing down, release the deflector and the coffee will then flow int= o the glass in an even well-blended stream. B On 4/22/06, Brett Mason wrote: <Snip> hat <Snip> e <Snip> e <Snip> ttings <Snip> -- Regards, Brett Mason HomeRoast Zassman
<Snip> I assume the Antigua's door is antistatic. There is no flying grounds problem with the Antigua. The burrs turn at a slow speed and the grounds dribble down into the catch bin. Static is low unless the air is extremely dry or you grind more than a pot's worth. Essentially zero cleanup with no grounds left in the chute if you tilt the grinder and tap out what grounds sit on the ledge. --
"There is no comparison with the Antigua." Yeah, there is- the mechanically identical Solis Meistro / Plus. I have had them both, and the Solis completely apart. The mechanisms are totally and completely identical. Boo. If mediocrity suits you, you will always find something else wrong with the coffee. I thought the $0.99 thrift store Solis looked like a good grinder basis, so I got the $149 price fixed SMP. And it was the best grinder. Except for every other low speed burr grinder. Cheers -RayO, aka Opa! Maybe you don't really need a grinder- you can use the grocery Bunns and Grind Masters for free- On 4/22/06, Ken Mary wrote: <Snip> e <Snip> , <Snip> f <Snip> -- "When the theme hits the bass, I dance the Jig!" - -Virgil Fox at the Wichita WurliTzer
<Snip> Sorry if I was not clear, there is no comparison between the Capresso 551 and the Bodum Antigua. I should also state that the Antigua ranks far below the flat burr grinders such as the Cunill Tranquilo which I have used daily for almost 3 years. Always buy the best grinder you can afford, even for non-espresso brews. --
On 4/22/06, Ken Mary wrote: <Snip> Yea, I agree based on experience and belated research. I have been involve= d in home roasting for just over two months. In that time I have purchased a new drip machine, a french press, over 50 lbs of greens, plus a couple of roasting devices and lots of miscellanea, I also picked up the first burr grinder I saw - a Black & Decker. When I first used the B&D I was amazed at the difference it made. I will sa= y this, when I throughly clean it, it still works OK for one or two FP grinds. What I notice is that the amount of sediment grows with each pot between cleanings. My problem is that I (unlike most of the posters here apparently) am not rich. I have spent over $500 in the last two months and it will be several more before I have the bucks for a top of the line grinder. I was considering a bridging solution. The Antigua ended up selling for over $50 delivered. Considering the fact that I could get a new one for $70 delivere= d I opted out. The remaining question is: is it possible to get a good grinder for under $100 or am I forced to wait until I have $200 or so to spare. This is for 75%/25% FP/Drip. Cheers and Thanks. Don By the way, Ray, I took your advice but the supermarket got pissed when I came back a third time today to grind for a FP pot.
Don, I also am not rich. I've been using the Capresso Infinity grinder for drip/vac pot/french press for about the past 6 months and it's not a bad grinder for the price (I paid $65 new on Ebay, I think they usually sell fo= r ~$80 - $90). I think that could be a decent bridging solution for you unti= l the time when you can get something really good. It's probably not what an= y coffeehead would call "a good grinder." Not as long as the likes of Mazzer and Rocky exist. Relatively speaking though it's worth it if you're hurtin= g for cash but want something decent. I think it's the only sub-$100 grinder I'd ever consider. I'm thinking I might possibly step up to a Cunil Tranquilo next Christmas o= r Birthday. brad On 4/22/06, Don Cummings wrote: <Snip> . <Snip> . <Snip> a <Snip> al <Snip> 50 <Snip> red <Snip> r <Snip>
Balance is the Key. I have only one basis for comparison of the useful lifetime of grinders. ( It seemed every dealer was on a mission to slip me the Archimedes Spiral on home grinders.) I started research in earnest, especially after MiKe (I think) noted a neat Mazzer grinder on eBay. EBay is like no auction I've ever seen. I'd enjoy seeing a few of the ORSOBs get tossed from a real auction. In spite of the clowns, I got a grinder without a doser/ gas* chamber. *O2 The tag said the 83mm burrs had been replaced in 1995, so they'd been running for ten years. A ten-year lifetime in *$, I'm told. The beans only see burrs, so they'll think it's brand-new for ten years. Compared to the cost of the coffee, $30/ year for a grinder is incredibly cheap. It's a cinch I won't have to spend any more money on a grinder for a long time, and I'll get the best grind all the while. Do you have any need to replace the Cunill Tranquilo at this point? Don't step down to the world of Cheapo, whatever you do. Cheers -RayO, aka Opa! -- "When the theme hits the bass, I dance the Jig!" - -Virgil Fox at the Might= y Wichita WurliTzer- 1976
Ray, I see quite a few Mazzers on e-bay. I have been put off because they look designed for dosing espresso shots and not really all around grinding. Am I wrong? If I do buy used through e-bay my concern has been that I won't be getting a grinder at its prime ability. Sounds like you're saying you get prime performance from the Mazzer as long as it runs and replace the burrs at 10 years hard work? I agree that $30 /year for peak performance is perfectly reasonable. Especially since I spent 6 times that on my B&D ($30 for 2 months) Don On 4/23/06, raymanowen wrote: <Snip> ( <Snip> on <Snip> y <Snip> a <Snip>
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Don, I have a Mazzer Mini. with a doser, I use it for all brewing = methods, don't let the doser throw you off, its easy to get used to, no = matter what kind of brewing method you are going to use. I have not bought any grinders off of ebay but there are several list = members that have. Most of them as I recall are in decent shape, just a = burr replacement is the upgade most buyers do. Cheers RK
There is a grinder by Krups, called the BaristaII, which can sometimes be found for about $50... The retail a few years ago was $125. It comes w/ a detachable doser and a cup to catch the grinds... It's noisy as hell, but it does give good grind.. I believe Gene Smith has one, and if he's around, I'm sure he'll tell you more about it... A+
On 4/23/06, Don Cummings wrote: <Snip> k <Snip> I <Snip> The Mazzer is a great grinder--I have two (mostly use just one, the other one needs some work) and they produce a very high quality grind. The stepless control is also nice, although if I have any complaint or feature request, it would be that they included some sort of fine tuning adjustment knobs for espresso. Someone in here mentioned the unit "bump" as 1/10th of a number on the mazzer. Something that gave fine control over 10 bumps might be really nice to have, kind of like fine tuning on violin strings. Still, the Mazzer is a great machine and built like a tank. And after trying it with drip/etc, I have to say I think there is a tastable difference due to the grind evenness, although I'm not sure I could explain vey well why that would be... Maybe it is just that I get more control tha= n with the whirley-blade I had before. -- Steven Hay hay.steve -AT- gmail.com Barry Paradox: Consider k to be the greatest element of the set of natural numbers whose description require maximum of 50 words: "(k+1) is a natural number which requires more than 50 words to describe it."
On Apr 23, 2006, at 5:20 pm, Steve Hay wrote: <Snip> I have no trouble adjusting my Mazzer to within 1/4 - 1/3 of a bump. (You do have the little lever screwed into the adjustment ring, don't you?) Since, at espresso grind, 1 bump = 5-6 seconds of shot time, one is able to adjust the grind finely enough to change the shot time by 1.25-2 seconds. Tamping differences can probably affect it as much or more so I don't think the Mazzer really needs a finer adjustment capability. John Blumel
Step back and just think about all the fine tuning Tom and sweet Maria exer= t to buy and sell superb coffee, to say nothing of the massive effort it take= s to produce at the level of Specialty Coffee in the first place. I would never have thought I could possibly use the fine tuning available with the Mazzer adjustment nut- each turn has ten numbered divisions. The "Knurl" on the OD of the nut is a ruffle, with 10 increments (bumps) per division. The machine is heavy, stable and repeatable. I ground 14.0g of FC+ Horse on #19 for a double shot. The grind looked and felt about the consistency of table salt, whatever that means. My Celtic Critic said it tasted like it was waiting for something to make i= t Grrreat. What? Something missing in Horse? Can't be. But she alway looks fo= r shortfalls in the cup- I could have been happy with it... When I sipped it again, it made me wonder what I could possibly do to improve it. But I was unsure from the beginning about the Table Salt comparison- what kind of a standard is that? OK if you're stuck with a grinder that always produces a variety grind, so you're looking for a predominance of table salt grittiness. Egad. How about a Ro-Tap screen? I digress- I reset The Grinder to 18 and repeated the packing and tamping ritual as best this left-handed former red head could. (Tom says, "Grind Finer.") Oh, My! How did she know? The Heavens Opened Up! This shot could have been pulled by Haile Selassie himself ! ! ! (Wikipedia says he was "born Tafari Makonnen on July 23, 1892, ...in the Hararprovince of Ethiopia.") Cheers -RayO, aka Opa! The Woman wanted Better--- "When the theme hits the bass, I dance the Jig!" - -Virgil Fox at the Might= y Wichita WurliTzer- 1976
I've been happy with the eBay "TAGEX special" Major recently acquired. Net well under $300 with new burrs, doser lid, and cheesy small replacement hopper. I expect to never replace burrs again. I haven't used it for espresso (yet), just drip and vac. Dispensing through the doser just isn't an issue. As an upgrade from a Capresso Infinity, there's really no comparison, other than size (the Major is huge, and heavy). Total adjustability, consistent, less fines, LOTS faster, and seems quieter too. Bruce
"Mazzers...look designed for dosing espresso shots and not really all aroundgrinding." I admit, with the doser hanging on there it looks for all the world like it only wants to do espresso grinding. That's not true. If your Rolex slides off your wrist, it's gone. It's only coming out the doser, and it's no longer "one each." Rolex dust. You'd be first on your block. It'll do any grind, consistently and repeatably. Cheers -RayO, aka Opa! Watch - out!
Appreciate the feedback. Sounds like I need to start a Mazzer fund. On 4/24/06, raymanowen wrote: <Snip>
"repeatably" is not a word. Try 'Repeatedly' On 4/24/06, raymanowen wrote: <Snip> -- "When the theme hits the bass, I dance the Jig!" - -Virgil Fox at the Wichita WurliTzer
On 4/24/06, raymanowen wrote: <Snip> Actually it is fine and I think the word you meant. "able to be repeated." Repeatability is a key feature for a grinder, as well as a roaster.
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"Maybe the door on yours is to help with the mess?" So they say in some of the S. Meister literature. That feature notwithstanding, the Capresso 551 is a high RPM direct drive burr grinder, while the Bodum Antigua has a low speed conical burr set. Eve= n with its demerits, I would want the Bodum far ahead of the Capresso 551 Hikari grinder. 14,000 rpm. It might as well be a Weed Whacker. Throw peanuts in the Hikari Capresso and you get chunky peanut butter out o= f it. Why do manufacturers even build that stuff? Cheers -RayO, aka Opa! It's the crack of dawn tomorrow, in the Old Country-
IMO, the people who have a real interest in perfecting their coffee have earned points toward equipment that will further their goal. Convenience comes in a little green or red-labeled jar. If I can include myself in the group, maybe we will become enough of a consumer group that we can demand a low-priced stable coffee grinder, smaller and lighter than a fire hydrant. Cheers -RayO, aka Opa! -- Got Grinder? Reject toys!
If we keep buying the toys, how serious are we about our coffee? Maybe we can hurry Adam Smith's Invisible Hand with some collective purchasing... Cheers -RayO, aka Opa! Melange grinding can destroy a gorgeous roast-
Its a great idea to but a $300 or more grinder, but some of us dont have th= e excess of cash flow to do this, so we try to get by with what we can untill such a time that we can buy one. Serious about coffee, you bet, able to just drop cash on a grinder, not yet= . On 4/25/06, raymanowen wrote: <Snip> -- "Good night, and Good Coffee"
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. I'm firmly on the side of 'buy a $300 grinder - it's the best coffee = investment you can make...' I'm just violently opposed to paying $300 for a $300 grinder - I'd much = rather let some else do that, and then buy their $300 grinder for $37.50 = off of Craig's List - which is what Katherine's Rancillo Rocky cost us. I haunt Craig's List, Flea-Bay, and even the Yahoo auctions - there are = some teriffic deals on older commercial grinders, most of which are = based on either Rossi, Mazzer, or Amfin/Micap designs - all of which are = miles ahead of the typical home burr grinder. The drawbacks to commercial grinders are that they're typically huge, = they can be noisy, they almost always have monster-big dosers, and are = not designed to easily switch grinds - since in coffeeshop service a = grinder is typically dialed-in for a bean and then rarely adjusted more = than a 'click' or two. Right now, there's a Quickmill commercial grinder going begging for $100 = in Seattle, and a Rossi RR45 with a commercial 2-group machine for $200 = - if I wasn't full up with 'Brass Elephants' I'd hop on one of these = .... Cheers Jim