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Topic: Intro from a Lurker, just coming out of lurkdom (24 msgs / 865 lines)
1) From: llurgy
Hi all.
My name is Mandy, I live in south-east Ohio and have been going coffee
crazy/stupid since just after Christmas.
My hubby bought me this Kitchen-Aid Proline grinder you see, and since then
it seems the sky has been the limit.
Of course, I had to get a good drip brewer to go with the grinder, couldnt
afford the TV so went with a Presto which I have been very pleased with.
At the same time I bought a French Press and a Zorishi (??elephant brand)
thermal jug to keep my coffee from burning.
Was this enough??  Nope!
You read on this message board and that message board and find that you are
still not getting the optimum in coffee goodness.
Why??
Because you are drinking stale coffee.
Solution??
Roast your own :)
Hours, days and weeks of research later I find that I am wavering between
Dog bown and Stir Crazy.  I eventually go with the stir crazy.
A bit of green from here and a bit of green from there and I am now in
coffee heaven :)
Question ;
How do you stop yourself from roasting up more coffee that you actually
consume?
All the variety of coffee's are great but it seems that I want to try all o=
f
them now :)
Nice to meet you all,
Mandy

2) From: Aaron Peterson
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I roast with an iRoast2 which is only capable of batches around 140g
(~ 1/4 lb).  I usually roast 4-6 batches once every week to 2 weeks. 
I adjust my coffee drinking habits somewhat to consuming however much
I've roasted.  Generally drinking more coffee just makes me happy. 
Occasionally I get a little strung out and have to back off, but I'm
willing to live with that :-)  In short though, maybe try more smaller
batches if you want more variety...  Or if you do larger batches,
maybe give away/sell all but 1/4 or so of each batch.
Aaron Peterson
Versailles, KY

3) From: Ed Needham
Wait till you build one that roasts five pounds at a time.
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4) From: David B. Westebbe
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Question ;
How do you stop yourself from roasting up more coffee that you actually
consume?
All the variety of coffee's are great but it seems that I want to try =
all of
them now :)
 One solution is to use a roaster with a smaller capacity than your Stir
Crazy.  Another is to give roasted coffee to your friends, keeping only
enough for your own use. 

5) From: Bob
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Hi Mandy
Welcome to this wooly wacky bunch - One answer to your question ~ =
Gifting. Once you start giving 1/2# baggies of your excellent roast to =
your friends and neighbors you won't be allowed in their door without =
them. That should help when your stash starts to expand!
Bob - somewhere in Parker CO

6) From: llurgy
Oh, gifting....been doing that for a while now :)
Smaller roasts....that too, though I find that 11/2 to 2 cups in the turbo
crazy is a good size for it so I wouldnt want to go much smaller.
Thanks for the welcome
Mandy

7) From: Mike Chester
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Paul,
I never asked you how the PID is working out.  Do you see much =
difference in your shots?  I did see an improvement when I added it to =
my machine.  I also saw a smaller, but noticeable improvement when I did =
the pressure mod.  I am not sure if that one can be done on the Gaggia.  =
Mike

8) From: Brett Mason
Q.  How do you stop yourself from roasting up more coffee that you actually
consume?
All the variety of coffee's are great but it seems that I want to try all o=
f
them now :)
A.  Give up sleeping.  Drink more coffee.  Enjoy...
Brett
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Brett Mason
HomeRoast
   Zassman

9) From: Sandy Andina
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On May 4, 2006, at 7:09 AM, llurgy wrote:
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You don't.  I deal with the excess by giving it to friends and thus  
hooking them on freshly roasted coffee.  IMHO, better to have a  
little too much on hand than to run out , roast some more and then  
have to drink coffee that hasn't had time to outgas sufficiently.
Sandy
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7:09 AM, llurgy wrote:
How do you stop = yourself from roasting up more coffee that you actually = consume? You don't.  I deal with the = excess by giving it to friends and thus hooking them on freshly roasted = coffee.  IMHO, better to have a little too much on hand than to run = out , roast some more and then have to drink coffee that hasn't had time = to outgas sufficiently.   = --Apple-Mail-5-954058569--

10) From: Scot Murphy
On |May 4, at 7:09 AM|May 4, llurgy wrote:
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One of us...one of us...
What do you do when you roast too much coffee? Give to someone and  
hope they appreciate it. :)
Scot "they sometimes do" Murphy

11) From: Woody DeCasere
i have to agree with Brett, worse yet is how do i stop buying greens when i
already have so many
give in you are doomed, but in a good way!!
Woody
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12) From: Brett Mason
Mandy,
No real need to worry or raise concern.  I would suggest a more conservativ=
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approach.
For example, with elevating gas prices, a freight delivery shortage is
likely.  So, order perhaps nine or ten 20LB bags, and pick a variety. This
should just tide you over.  Now with a limited selection of only 9 or 10
coffees, you should purchase several means of grinding and brewing.  Same
goes for roasting.  Each month, ask yourself, "Could coffee run in short
supply?"  Act accordingly.
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Brett Mason
HomeRoast
   Zassman

13) From: llurgy
( or 10 20lb bags....LOL....And just how would that help?  Having that much
coffee wouldnt stop me from buying more of the new ones that keep on
appearing.  I would have all of that bean and then a new shipment of fresh
would arrive and I would be going.....now, what shall I buy this time.
I have no self control.
Another question....to all....
I am now drinking much more coffee that I used to and find I am drinking
later into the night too.  I have taken to the habit of taking a cuppa to
bed with me and am finding more and more that I have to think about buying
some decaf green.
The caffeine doesnt affect me overly, but it is doing something.
I have read that it is much harder to get a good roast on Decaf....what
precautions should I take and how can I roast it differently than my
caffeine roasts?
Mandy
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14) From: Sandy Andina
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Another way to use up the excess is to start brewing in an Aeropress,  
which uses at least half again as much coffee per cup as the other  
methods.....or buy an espresso machine (uses and wastes prodigious  
amounts of grounds).
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Another way to use up the excess =
is to start brewing in an Aeropress, which uses at least half again as =
much coffee per cup as the other methods.....or buy an espresso machine =
(uses and wastes prodigious amounts of grounds).
On May 4, =
2006, at 1:00 PM, Brett Mason wrote:
Mandy,   No real need to = worry or raise concern.  I would suggest a more conservative = approach.    For example, with elevating gas = prices, a freight delivery shortage is likely.  So, order perhaps nine = or ten 20LB bags, and pick a variety. This should just tide you over.  = Now with a limited selection of only 9 or 10 coffees, you should = purchase several means of grinding and brewing.  Same goes for = roasting.  Each month, ask yourself, "Could coffee run in short = supply?"  Act accordingly.   On 5/4/06, Woody = DeCasere <decasere> = wrote: i have to agree with Brett, worse yet is how do = i stop buying greens when i already have so many give in you are = doomed, but in a good way!! Woody On 5/4/06, Brett = Mason <homeroast > wrote: = Q.  How do you stop yourself from = roasting up more coffee that you actually consume? All the variety of coffee's are great = but it seems that I want to try all of them now :)   A.  Give up = sleeping.  Drink more coffee.  Enjoy...   = Brett   On 5/4/06, llurgy <llurgy> wrote: Hi all. My name is Mandy, I live in south-east Ohio and have = been going coffee crazy/stupid since just after Christmas. My hubby = bought me this Kitchen-Aid Proline grinder you see, and since then it = seems the sky has been the limit. Of course, I had to get a good = drip brewer to go with the grinder, couldnt afford the TV so went with a = Presto which I have been very pleased with. At the same time I bought = a French Press and a Zorishi (??elephant brand) thermal jug to keep my = coffee from burning. Was this enough??  Nope! You read on this = message board and that message board and find that you are still not = getting the optimum in coffee goodness. Why??  Because you are = drinking stale coffee. Solution?? Roast your own :) Hours, = days and weeks of research later I find that I am wavering between Dog = bown and Stir Crazy.  I eventually go with the stir crazy. A bit of = green from here and a bit of green from there and I am now in coffee = heaven :) Question ; How do you stop yourself from roasting = up more coffee that you actually consume? All the variety of coffee's = are great but it seems that I want to try all of them now :) Nice = to meet you all, Mandy  
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15) From: Howell Ite
Mike,
   
  The PID made a large improvement in the quality of the shots.  I printed out an article on how to modify the pressure of the Gaggia.  Supposedly it is done by turning a special allen screw.  How did you know what to shoot for when you changed you're pressure?  Did you adjust the pressure based on taste?  I don't know how you would adjust it unless you had one of the portafilters that measures pressure.
   
  I'm still trying to find the time to use the PID with the bad SSR port and the thermocouple that came with it to track the tempature of the I-roast.
   
  Paul
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  I never asked you how the PID is working out.  Do you see much difference in your shots?  I did see an improvement when I added it to my machine.  I also saw a smaller, but noticeable improvement when I did the pressure mod.  I am not sure if that one can be done on the Gaggia.  
   
  Mike

16) From: Justin Marquez
On 5/4/06, llurgy  wrote:
I have read that it is much harder to get a good roast on Decaf....what
precautions should I take and how can I roast it differently than my
caffeine roasts?
Mandy
Mandy -
I roast decaf and regular.  The decaf has almost no chaff, roasts on about
80% of the time as regular, and when you get thru first crack, it can go
more quickly into second crack.  Decaf roasts can get out of control
quickly, particularly in popper roasts (which usually go pretty fast anyway=
)
Even if you stop the roast between first and  second cracks, you will
probably see small oil spots on the beans in a day of so - Thom says that
the decaf process changes the bean structure internally and allows the oils
to come out easier.
On the plus side, Thom's decaf's are so good that most people would never
know it was decaf unless they were told. Our personal favorite is Kenya AA
WP Decaf, which has a very sweet taste to me. It blends well (post-roast!)
with many coffees that we drink. Our blend is about 2 parts regular to one
part decaf. We also have soome of the Tanzania Peaberry Decaf right now as
well, and it is also very good.
We use straight decaf sometimes for an afternoon or evening FP "cappo" by
making strong presspot decaf coffee and mechanically frothing 1% lowfat
milk. It isn't a true cappo, but it is darned good.
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (Snyder, TX)

17) From: Mike Chester
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I have a pressure gage that I screwed into the original portafilter that =
came with my machine.  It is calibrated in PSI, but it is a simple task =
to convert to bar.  I shot for 8.5 - 9 bar and hit about 8.75 which is =
the recommended pressure.  You can use my gage if you want.  
Mike

18) From: Angelo
Mike,
Where would I go to buy one of these gauges... and what would I look 
for in terms of specs for what we are doing with it?
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19) From: Michael Dhabolt
Angelo,
Different Mike here.  You can get a gauge at most any hardware store. 
You are looking for a 150 psi gauge with a 1/8" or 1/4" pipe fitting. 
take the spout off of your PF and take it with you to the hardware
store - it'll probably take a couple of brass fittings with some
teflon tape to adapt the gauge to your PF.  9 Bar is a little short of
135 psi (1 bar is equal to atmospheric pressure at sea level ~=14.7
psi).  Be aware that with the pressure gauge on the PF (no flow) many
machines will show slightly higher pressure than they would with
normal (2 oz in 25 seconds) flow.
And----YES----to the question "go by taste?".  Once you get down to
the 9 or 9.5 bar range keep trying shots at varying pressures with all
other variables static.  I found that with my machine and taste
preference, about 8.5 Bar is the sweet spot for me.
Mike (just plain)

20) From: Alchemist John
At some point I took the general recommendation of "more is better" 
from a list member and increased my pressure (BTW, with the Gaggia 
line, CW increases pressure, CCW decreases, somewhere in the ballpark 
of 1 bar/ quarter turn).  What I found is the is just patently wrong 
(for my taste).  True, I had more flavor, but it was a muddy flavor 
at near 14-15 bar.  Lots more sprays, channeling, and general 
problems also.  After playing with a PF gauge, a touch over 9 bar is 
where I finally came to rest.  So much better.
At 15:57 5/4/2006, you wrote:
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John Nanci
AlChemist at large
Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.chocolatealchemy.com/

21) From: Mike Chester
I got mine from Tractor Supply, along with an adapter to screw it to the 
portafilter.  The portafilter is metric but is very close to a 3/8 NPT 
fitting so with a bit of Teflon tape I was able to make it work.  I set mine 
for 128 PSI which is approximately 8.7 bar.
If you want to spend more, you can get a gauge made  specifically for this 
purpose from 1st. Line. http://www.1st-line.com/parts/other/V512_pump_pressure_check_kit.htmMike Chester

22) From: Michael Wascher
So, you set it for 8.7 bar with no flow? You've got the pump pushing agains=
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a plug?
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23) From: javafool
Welcome Mandy,
Somehow it will all balance out in the end. I use a KitchenAid ProLine grinder also and it is working out very well. 
I started out about nine years ago just looking for a good hand grinder for my Eight-oclock 100% Colombian on weekends. Found this group of wackohs roasting coffee in hot air popcorn poppers. I thought they were all nuts, so I joined 'em. It has just been getting better and better ever since. I can't say I have saved any money roasting my own coffee, but I know that every day I am drinking nothing but the best of the very best.
Enjoy!
Terry
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24) From: Mike Chester
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Basically yes.  I put the gauge on the portafilter and put it on the =
machine.  This created a dead head condition for the pump.  The =
overpressure valve released at 8.7 bar which effectively set that as the =
maximum pressure. 
Mike


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