Hello, I guess like many people my coffee roasting has moved through a series of steps. In my case those steps have been from popper to Imex/Caffe Rosto to heat gun and now to SC/TO. I've been roasting using the SC/TO for about 5 months but now have some concerns about the longevity of the equipment. As a result, I'm considering drum roasting: particularly about investing in one of Ron's drums. My question is: has anyone moved on from drum roasting, and if so, to what and why? If I spring for a drum and motor and BBQ, will something better come along in the next few years? Many of us know that the purchase of coffee roasting/brewing equipment never really ends, but will a drum see that curtailed for the foreseeable future? Regards, Gary
On 6/4/06, Gary Bennett wrote: <Snip> The RK Drum is built like a tank. I have one, but have temporarily abandoned it as we are awaiting our move back to Houston and sold our house and moved into a 5th wheel RV for what will be nearly a year when we go back to the "big city". We sold most of our "stuff", since furniture and the like doesn't do very well in storage. I sold off my two propane BBQ grills, but kept all the drum roasting "stuff". As soon as we get back into a house in Houston, the drum roasting resumes! I can't imagine that you'd need to "move on" unless: a) You decide you don't like the results (unlikely!) b) You decide that 4# per batch ust isn't enough c) You decide that 1/2# batches are the right size and that firing up the drum is too much ado for 1/2 # batches. d) You just get curious about some other method. Safe Journeys and Sweet Music Justin Marquez (Snyder, TX)
Gary, you ask, "...will something better [than the RK Drum] come along in the next few years?" You have to ask yourself, "What am I going to be doing in the next few years?" For home roasting- for yourself and maybe lots of friends- you could hardly use anything more. If you feel froggy and want to take the leap into commercial, I think you would want to maintain the quality of roasting and brewing at the peak, for which the RK would be a good start, not just match the vile sludge of the other well-known coffee emporia. They have to sell a variety of products because no single one is outstanding- in a good way. I refer you to the Seattle-based chain that apparently got its doors blown off when they tried to open in a country (Israel) where it's not good enough to have an image of yuppie patrons. Obviously, they have no use for stuff that tastes like that. In short- No. Cheers -RayO, aka Opa! -- "When the theme hits the bass, I dance the Jig!" - -Virgil Fox at the Mighty Wichita- 1976 WurliTzer
Let me help your imagination by adding on a couple more reasons (not that I've experienced them, but I can imagine them). e) You move to a place where winter makes using a bbq-based drum year-round impossible f) You want to follow a roast profile and are frustrated by the difficulty of measuring bean-mass temperature in a drum Dave S. Justin Marquez wrote: <Snip> -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/354 - Release Date: 6/1/2006
Sorry about that WTO WurliTzer that came from the NYC Paramount to Wichita about 1972. When Virgil Fox played it in 1976, I was roasting a couple of pounds of Kenya AA in a Melitta AromaRoast. But not in '72 when some Dreckskerl torched the console. Cheers -RayO, aka Opa! -- "When the theme hits the bass, I dance the Jig!" - -Virgil Fox at the Mighty Wichita WurliTzer- 1976
--Apple-Mail-15--630609590 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset -ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Jun 4, 2006, at 8:59 PM, Maryann & Dave Schellenberg wrote: <Snip> I've had reasonable success controlling the profile with a drum in the open over a wood fire. Jim Gundlach --Apple-Mail-15--630609590 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset O-8859-1 On Jun 4, 2006, at = 8:59 PM, Maryann & Dave Schellenberg wrote:
I considered buying one of the fine RK drums, but opted to fabricate my own (wanted more size, for one thing). As it turns out, a few innovations will make this a very interesting unit. Problem is, I committed the family grill to the project, since its design was ideal for the application. Now I need to come up with the cash for a new grill for normal backyard cooking! "Dad, you mean we don't get hot dogs 'cause you want coffee?!" ;-) Some list members may remember by "radiant roaster" project. I've tested long-wave infrared emitters now, and they do overcome the issues I had with the halogens. Very good roasting -- but their power requirements are double that of halogens to achieve a comparable roast. Still, at about 2 watts per gram, that's pretty good. However, you need good heat conservation (I was using a vacuum flask with no forced ventilation). Infrared heating could exploit either a drum or fluid bed design. -- Scott On 6/4/06, Gary Bennett wrote: <Snip>
On 6/5/06, Scott Marquardt <> wrote: <Snip> Thanks all for the responses to date. It's probably fair to say that few people move on from BBQ drum roasting unless it's for commercial reasons. Regards, Gary
-Or maybe they go directly to Commercial and don't pass GO! on the way up, or jump in to the Diedrich sample roaster for home roasting. Now, there's a machine for jaded eyes and tastes! Too much? NOT! Put in perspective, how much did you pay for your Land Barge for the privilege of sailing into the daily traffic skirmish? And do you use all of the options and features of The Barge every time you sail it? Cheers -RayO, aka Opa! -- "When the theme hits the bass, I dance the Jig!" - -Virgil Fox at the Mighty Wichita WurliTzer- 1976
Whilst googling around the 'net, I came across this page on nut roasters.http://www.cajuncreole.com/roasters/roasters.htmlInteresting (scroll down)? Vicki raymanowen wrote: <Snip>
--- Vicki Smith wrote: <Snip> I'm waiting until I can afford this one: http://www.eskimo.com/~coffee/ashe/Not because I think I'll get better roasts than from my RK drum, but because it can be set up inside a commercial kitchen for roasting in all weather, and will more easily pass inspection (govt. food safety) for selling the coffee in stores and restaurants. The price is the lowest I've found for a good commercial roaster and , shipping and setup maybe much cheaper than similar batch size drum. Charlie Oaxaca dreamin' Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
wow, wazy cool charlie, vicki I like their portable. hmmm always something new to check out, thanks. ginny ] ---- Oaxaca Charlie wrote: <Snip>
Ginny, the page doesn't talk about that roaster as being good for coffee beans, so it might be worth asking about it. The fellow that has posted it makes the roasters himself, one at a time, when ordered. He might be able to do some sort of adaptation. He also might be able to add in a temperature probe. vicki pchforever wrote: <Snip>
Well, I have a turbo wok right now, and a P1. I would consider the turbo wok a 'drum' roaster since it depends on the 'drop' temperature and the air temp to produce the roast. However, I find this method to be a lot less flexible than what I can do in a fluid bed roaster. Counting on the mass of the metal to carry the roast to completion, just seems limiting to me, so I'm thinking about building a larger fluid bed. I suppose its just like the difference between a sports car & a Cadillac. Gary Bennett wrote: <Snip> -- There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened.
I want to build an "Ubber Roaster" like Plain Mike to compliment my RK Drum. I see my RK as the Hummer of Roasters! I have no desire to upgrade, but to have a better fluid bed roaster to go with my drum would be nice. I really enjoy roasting over fire with my Andrak, and the HG/Dog Bowl roasting is a backup for me. I have not built SC/TO yet, but that is on my list for someday. I doubt I will ever buy a commercially made roaster again. For durability and flexibility I don't think there is anything out there that can match the RK drum setup. Now if I have $5,000.00 I might go for a small Dietrich just based on the aesthetics. Les On 6/5/06, J.W.Bullfrog wrote: <Snip>
I want 1lb+ with automatic control of both heat and airflow, with the air re-circ-ing in the roaster to keep the electrical power down. It should have 3 TC's, one air inlet, one air outlet, and one in the bean mass. The airflow control should automatically hold the airflow at the same rate, unless I manually override it. Also manual override on the heat. Les wrote: <Snip> -- There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened.
Do you have any pics of the turbo wok? Thanks, PeterZ J.W.Bullfrog wrote: <Snip>
Peter Zulkowski wrote: <Snip> I can get you some; sooner or later. <Snip> -- There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened.