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Topic: Anyone 'moved on' from drum roasting? (18 msgs / 368 lines)
1) From: Gary Bennett
Hello,
I guess like many people my coffee roasting has moved through a series
of steps. In my case those steps have been from popper to Imex/Caffe
Rosto to heat gun and now to SC/TO. I've been roasting using the SC/TO
for about 5 months but now have some concerns about the longevity of
the equipment.
As a result, I'm considering drum roasting: particularly about
investing in one of Ron's drums. My question is: has anyone moved on
from drum roasting, and if so, to what and why?
If I spring for a drum and motor and BBQ, will something better come
along in the next few years? Many of us know that the purchase of
coffee roasting/brewing equipment never really ends, but will a drum
see that curtailed for the foreseeable future?
Regards, Gary

2) From: Justin Marquez
On 6/4/06, Gary Bennett  wrote:
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The RK Drum is built like a tank.  I have one, but have temporarily
abandoned it as we are awaiting our move back to Houston and sold our house
and moved into a 5th wheel RV for what will be nearly a year when we go back
to the "big city".  We sold most of our "stuff", since furniture and the
like doesn't do very well in storage. I sold off my two propane BBQ grills,
but kept all the drum roasting "stuff".  As soon as we get back into a house
in Houston, the drum roasting resumes!
I can't imagine that you'd need to "move on" unless:
a) You decide you don't like the results (unlikely!)
b) You decide that 4# per batch ust isn't enough
c) You decide that 1/2# batches are the right size and that firing up the
drum is too much ado for 1/2 # batches.
d) You just get curious about some other method.
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (Snyder, TX)

3) From: raymanowen
Gary, you ask, "...will something better [than the RK Drum] come along in
the next few years?"
You have to ask yourself, "What am I going to be doing in the next few
years?"
For home roasting- for yourself and maybe lots of friends- you could hardly
use anything more.
If you feel froggy and want to take the leap into commercial, I think you
would want to maintain the quality of roasting and brewing at the peak, for
which the RK would be a good start, not just match the vile sludge of the
other well-known coffee emporia. They have to sell a variety of products
because no single one is outstanding- in a good way.
I refer you to the Seattle-based chain that apparently got its doors blown
off when they tried to open in a country (Israel) where it's not good enough
to have an image of yuppie patrons.  Obviously, they have no use for stuff
that tastes like that.
In short- No.
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
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"When the theme hits the bass, I dance the Jig!" - -Virgil Fox at the Mighty
Wichita- 1976 WurliTzer

4) From: Maryann & Dave Schellenberg
Let me help your imagination by adding on a couple more reasons (not 
that I've experienced them, but I can imagine them).
e) You move to a place where winter makes using a bbq-based drum 
year-round impossible
f) You want to follow a roast profile and are frustrated by the 
difficulty of measuring bean-mass temperature in a drum
Dave S.
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5) From: raymanowen
Sorry about that WTO WurliTzer that came from the NYC Paramount to Wichita
about 1972.
When Virgil Fox played it in 1976, I was roasting a couple of pounds of
Kenya AA in a Melitta AromaRoast. But not in '72 when some Dreckskerl
torched the console.
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
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Wichita WurliTzer- 1976

6) From: Pecan Jim Gundlach
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On Jun 4, 2006, at 8:59 PM, Maryann & Dave Schellenberg wrote:
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I've had reasonable success controlling the profile with a drum in  
the open over a wood fire.
     Jim Gundlach
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 You want to follow a roast = profile and are frustrated by the difficulty of measuring bean-mass = temperature in a drum

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7) From: Scott Marquardt
I considered buying one of the fine RK drums, but opted to fabricate my own
(wanted more size, for one thing). As it turns out, a few innovations will
make this a very interesting unit.
Problem is, I committed the family grill to the project, since its design
was ideal for the application. Now I need to come up with the cash for a new
grill for normal backyard cooking!
"Dad, you mean we don't get hot dogs 'cause you want coffee?!"
;-)
Some list members may remember by "radiant roaster" project. I've tested
long-wave infrared emitters now, and they do overcome the issues I had with
the halogens. Very good roasting -- but their power requirements are double
that of halogens to achieve a comparable roast. Still, at about 2 watts per
gram, that's pretty good. However, you need good heat conservation (I was
using a vacuum flask with no forced ventilation). Infrared heating could
exploit either a drum or fluid bed design.
-- Scott
On 6/4/06, Gary Bennett  wrote:
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8) From: Gary Bennett
On 6/5/06, Scott Marquardt <> wrote:
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Thanks all for the responses to date. It's probably fair to say that
few people move on from BBQ drum roasting unless it's for commercial
reasons.
Regards, Gary

9) From: raymanowen
-Or maybe they go directly to Commercial and don't pass GO! on the way up,
or jump in to the Diedrich sample roaster for home roasting.
Now, there's a machine for jaded eyes and tastes!
Too much? NOT! Put in perspective, how much did you pay for your Land Barge
for the privilege of sailing into the daily traffic skirmish? And do you use
all of the options and features of The Barge every time you sail it?
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
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"When the theme hits the bass, I dance the Jig!" - -Virgil Fox at the Mighty
Wichita WurliTzer- 1976

10) From: Vicki Smith
Whilst googling around the 'net, I came across this page on nut 
roasters.http://www.cajuncreole.com/roasters/roasters.htmlInteresting (scroll down)?
Vicki
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11) From: Oaxaca Charlie
--- Vicki Smith  wrote:
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 I'm waiting until I can afford this one:
http://www.eskimo.com/~coffee/ashe/Not because I think I'll get better roasts than from my RK
drum, but because it can be set up inside a commercial
kitchen for roasting in all weather, and will more easily
pass inspection (govt. food safety) for selling the coffee
in stores and restaurants. The price is the lowest I've
found for a good commercial roaster and , shipping and
setup maybe much cheaper than similar batch  size drum. 
  Charlie
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wow, wazy cool charlie, vicki I like their portable. hmmm
always something new to check out, thanks.
ginny
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13) From: Vicki Smith
Ginny, the page doesn't talk about that roaster as being good for coffee 
beans, so it might be worth asking about it. The fellow that has posted 
it makes the roasters himself, one at a time, when ordered. He might be 
able to do some sort of adaptation. He also might be able to add in a 
temperature probe.
vicki
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14) From: J.W.Bullfrog
Well, I have a turbo wok right now, and a P1. I would consider the turbo 
wok a 'drum' roaster since it depends on the 'drop' temperature and the 
air temp to produce the roast. However, I find this method to be a lot 
less flexible than what I can do in a fluid bed roaster. Counting on the 
mass of the metal to carry the roast to completion, just seems limiting 
to me, so I'm thinking about building a larger fluid bed. I suppose its 
just like the difference between a sports car & a Cadillac.
Gary Bennett wrote:
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15) From: Les
I want to build an "Ubber Roaster" like Plain Mike to compliment my RK
Drum.  I see my RK as the Hummer of Roasters!  I have no desire to
upgrade, but to have a better fluid bed roaster to go with my drum
would be nice.  I really enjoy roasting over fire with my Andrak, and
the HG/Dog Bowl roasting is a backup for me.  I have not built SC/TO
yet, but that is on my list for someday.  I doubt I will ever buy a
commercially made roaster again.  For durability and flexibility I
don't think there is anything out there that can match the RK drum
setup.  Now if I have $5,000.00 I might go for a small Dietrich just
based on the aesthetics.
Les
On 6/5/06, J.W.Bullfrog  wrote:
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16) From: J.W.Bullfrog
I want 1lb+ with automatic control of both heat and airflow, with the 
air re-circ-ing in the roaster to keep the electrical power down.  It 
should have 3 TC's, one air inlet, one air outlet, and one in the bean 
mass. The airflow control should automatically hold the airflow at the 
same rate, unless I manually override it. Also manual override on the heat.
Les wrote:
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17) From: Peter Zulkowski
Do you have any pics of the turbo wok?
Thanks,
PeterZ
J.W.Bullfrog wrote:
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18) From: J.W.Bullfrog
Peter Zulkowski wrote:
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I can get you some; sooner or later.
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