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Topic: Re Aeropress brewing question (29 msgs / 500 lines)
1) From: Justin Marquez
On 6/5/06, Turbosimba  wrote:
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The "blue scoop" Tom sells holds about 10 gr or roasted coffee.  The
aeropress scoop holds about 13 gr.  I think you need the extra coffee due to
the lower extraction temps.
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (Snyder, TX)

2) From: Scott Marquardt
Everyone please bear in mind that the Aeropress only performs differently
than you're accustomed to if you follow the instructions rather than your
own preferences. There's nothing magical about the Aeropress or it's
directions. Modify the variables as you would with any brewer to achieve
excellent results. It's perfectly possible to overextract in the
Aeropress.   :-)
On 6/5/06, Sandy Andina  wrote:
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Scott

3) From: Angelo
Scott,
You recently mentioned using different filters with the Aeropress. 
Can you elaborate on the mod and the results?
A+

4) From: an iconoclast
On 6/5/06, Sandy Andina  wrote:
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I concur. 2 regular scoops for a 14 oz travel mug is perfect for me.
Ann

5) From: Scott Marquardt
Seehttp://www.coffeegeek.com/forums/coffee/machines/238663But bring the discussion back to the list, please.
It's all I use anymore. However, the "inverted" method I employ with the
Aero can be messy. As I just said elsewhere, though, in all honesty I'll
take on a Clover in a blind cupping any time, at this point.    ;-)
- Scott
On 6/6/06, Angelo  wrote:
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Scott

6) From: Angelo
Scott,
I'm a user of the famed semi-pod: a filter placed on top of the 
grounds in a portafilter. The main purpose is to have less mess at 
the shower screen. I have tried various materials. One of these 
materials was "baby wipes". Of course, they were thoroughly washed of 
all scenting, etc. The advantage of these is that they are 
indestructible and easily cleaned of coffee oils..
Well, I just tried one in the Aeropress and I'm impressed with the 
improvement in taste. The oils are there, and the fines are almost 
non-existent. You might want to give these a try. For most folks they 
are more readily available and are less expensive than the filters 
you are playing with..
Ciao,
Angelo
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7) From: Scott Marquardt
Baby wipes!
Wow, OK -- someone better name brands at this point. I'm not incredulous --
but I'd hate to test something that hasn't been vetted by braver souls.
;-)
The filter material, FWIW, costs about 5 cents a filter, and I've been using
the same one for weeks.
- Scott
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8) From: Angelo
I could be wrong, but I think the baby wipe industry would be very 
careful of what touched those little tuschies...These filters seem to 
be impervious to everything. I have washed them in Oxycean, bleach 
and good old detergent (seperately, of course) and they just keep on 
going on...I guess the chemical engineers and hasmat guys will chime 
in soon. I, for one would be interested in hearing their take...
Angelo
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9) From: Michael Dhabolt
Angelo,
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hearing their take...<
As long as they are washed really well before using them this
way........sounds like a hell of a good idea to me.
Mike (just plain)

10) From: Scott Marquardt
I'd still like a pointer to a specific SKU, if you'd care to advocate on
behalf of a specific manufacturer.   ;-)
On 6/7/06, Michael Dhabolt  wrote:
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Scott

11) From: Vince Doss
Oddly enough, I think the manufacture process for the Baby Wipe "cloth" is
similar to what you are doing buy forcing water through it, only at much
higher pressure... I think they are all made the same way but the content of
the nonwoven fabric may not be the same from brand to brand.http://web.utk.edu/~mse/pages/Textiles/Spunlace.htmOn 6/8/06, Scott Marquardt  wrote:
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12) From: Vicki Smith
In the spirit of Rube Goldberg, I now have a dozen baby wash sheets (the 
Johnson and Johnson ones) in a lingerie bag (which normally holds bras 
and other unmentionables) in my washing machine with oxy clean and 
detergent. Large amount of rinsing will follow. I'll then make filters 
for my KMB. Updates to follow ;).
vicki
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13) From: Angelo
Here ya go:
Hushables™ Baby Wipes with Rash Control... U.S. Nonwovens Corp.
Ingredients: purified water, aloe vera, lanolin, 
methylchloroisothiazolinone, 
methylisothiazolinone, benzalkoniumchloride, fragance...upc# 10352 08250
80 sheets /pkg., 4-5 55mm filters/sheet, $1.98 per pkg.
There are many brands out there, and believe it 
or not, they differ quite a bit in various 
factors, but not being a scientific type, I just grabbed what was on sale.
Btw, these are almost impossible to tear, so they 
can be washed quite vigourously, as opposed to 
the paper filters that come with the AP
Angelo
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14) From: Scott Marquardt
LOL
I'm dying here, man.
This is great stuff.
So hey, a quick estimate on price. Given the surface area on the package
label and the number of wipes and how many rounds you can get out of a wipe=
,
what's the cost per filter?
- Scott
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15) From: Vicki Smith
They are also difficult to cut. If you have access to pinking shears
that have only been used for cutting what they are supposed to
cut--fabric--they will work. An exacto knife is less than wonderful.
I took my 12 well washed sheets, piled four at a time, and cut two
rounds from each for my KMB. I made "handles" sticking out from the
rounds. Anyone using a KMB knows the thunking needed to get the puck
into the trash. Now I can lift it with the handles.
So far so good. I made a KMB pot full using the BW filter and the 
brewing proceeded as usual, except, it seemed to me that there was more 
of a shower head effect as the coffee went into the carafe. The coffee 
tastes great, maybe a bit *deeper* than usual, and there seemed to be a 
bit of an oil sheen on the surface that I had not noticed when using 
paper filters. Getting the puck out was a breeze: I simply pulled on the 
"handles" and out it came.
I now have 24 BW filters (with handles). I figure I will use each one 
twice, rinsing in between, and then once a month or so throw the lot of 
them into my lingerie bag and give them a good wash.
vicki (wondering if anyone using a KMB will read this)
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16) From: Angelo
Well, I just measured the sheet and you can get 6 
filters from each sheet. At 80 sheets to a 
package, you would get 480 filters for about 
$2...You do the math. Bear in mind one of these 
filters could last up to 6 months..
Be a sport and visit your local supermarket and 
drop the $2 to satisfy your curiosity..
If you don't like them, you could always use them 
to polish your coin collection...:-)
Ciao,
Angelo
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17) From: raymanowen
"vicki (wondering if anyone using a KMB will read this)"
How about wannabe KMB users? I'm taking notes, because I have found no way
yet to prevent coffee grounds floating up behind the espresso group sieve. I
have to steam it and wipe the gasket extensively after every shot, or I keep
finding stray grounds where they don't belong.
It wastes a lot of reservoir water and steam power to purge the stray
grounds after an espressing session!
Maybe I'll use something far less expensive than a synthetic fiber fabric
soaked in a whole witches' brew of chemicals, no less than three of which
"maintain product purity and freshness!"
A Baby Wipe pure and fresh? The instant you use it- I won't say it...
Check  for natural cotton twill- $9 for a yard of 54"
wide fabric gives 1,944 square inches, and you don't have to clean out the
whole chem lab of funny stuff.
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
On 6/8/06, Vicki Smith  wrote:
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"When the theme hits the bass, I dance the Jig!" - -Virgil Fox at the Mighty
Wichita WurliTzer- 1976

18) From: Vicki Smith
Hi Ray, I was actually thinking that the fabric interfacing one uses 
when sewing would be easier to handle/cut and would not need to go 
through my washing machine twice to get, urmm, baby sweetening out of it.
The key to a fabric that works well is the tightness of the weave. It 
has to be porous/loose enough so the water doesn't back up and tight 
enough so the grounds don't pass through to the cup.
The baby wipes fit the bill, in that sense. Twills come in various 
weaves (an old sewer here). I think interfacing would work though. I'll 
run down to the fabric store and take a look tomorrow, or the next day.
And of course, whatever you use has to let more of the volatile oils 
into the cup than a paper filter does--thats the purpose (for me at 
least) of this exercise.
Regards back, vicki
PS: I tell the story of my exercise in filter making in my new coffee 
blog. I'm an old hand at blogging, but this is new, new, new.http://taming.motime.comraymanowen wrote:
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19) From: Sandy Andina
Interfacing looks surprisingly similar to the old percolator filters  
we used to use back when dinosaurs roamed the earth.
On Jun 9, 2006, at 2:00 AM, Vicki Smith wrote:
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Sandy
www.sandyandina.com

20) From: Vicki Smith
I think my family lived just a few caves away from yours, Sandy.
v
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21) From: Scott Marquardt
Careful with a couple things. First, any binders in a fabric you use.
Second, cotton. IMO, it'll absorb oil. I've found that polyester doesn't
seem to.
On 6/9/06, Vicki Smith  wrote:
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22) From: Michael Boshes
What about the cloth filters for vacuum brewers? I've been using the same
filter for my Yama for about 4 months and it's still going strong. What
material are they made from? The package has a lot of writing on it but my
reading ability in Japanese is even less than my knowledge of fabrics.http://sweetmarias.com/prod.brewers.vacuum.shtmlMichaelB
On 6/9/06, Scott Marquardt  wrote:
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23) From: raymanowen
I'm sure I'm doing something wrong. Every time I pull a shot, the grounds
have a picnic, floating on top of the incoming hot water charge and getting
backstage, behind the group sieve, if a Capresso can be said to have such a
thing.
Anyway, it does have a "Hide & Seek" play area for errant grounds and
methinks a pre-filter on top of the tamped grounds puck would harness the
floaters. Upstream of the coffee grounds, it would contribute or delete
nothing from the brewed espresso.
I'm sure proper tamping would solve the problem, but I don't got the
technique!
I wouldn't think even a very tight weave would cause problems, because the
flow rate is low, and the filter area is comparitively large.
Nobody else uses them- maybe I pack and tamp too agressively or grind too
fine. This setting just came up three cherries when I "pulled the lever"
once- Mondo crema.
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
Still searching-

24) From: Tara Kollas
On 6/7/06, Angelo  wrote:
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Yes and no - they do have to remove what could be easily described as toxic
waste.  And baby wipes clean just about anything.  I get the pampers
sensitive wipes with no alcohol and scent - I'm sure they have generic ones
without the scent (my younger daughter has the most sensitive rear in the
world - that or she's already into branding).  Haven't tried them on the
aeropress (I keep it at work, so I may just have to try this).

25) From: Scott Marquardt
It's been a while now, but I just posted a page with this in mind.http://snurl.com/invertedI'll be fabricating a punch shortly. I'm waiting on a competitive quote for">http://scott.marquardt.googlepages.com/invertedaeropressingforbettercoffeeorhttp://snurl.com/invertedI'll be fabricating a punch shortly. I'm waiting on a competitive quote for
material, still.
- Scott
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26) From: Claus Thøgersen
Hi,
Non of the links works at least not at the time of sending this mail.
Claus Thøgersen
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Sendt: 26. juli 2006 01:16
Emne: Re: +Re Aeropress brewing question
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27) From: Scott Marquardt
Something sure is weird with Google Pages. You're right. Then when I
navigate to the site for managing them, I need only click the link from
there, then come back here and click it, and things are fine. It's as if
it's broke until it gets a referer from the management page, then it's good
for a while again, then broke, etc.
So weird. If anyone cares to try it, let me know if any of these other page=
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fail too:http://scott.marquardt.googlepages.com/radiantcoffeeroastinghttp://scott.marquardt.googlepages.com/roastcoffeeinamughttp://scott.marquardt.googlepages.com/thefadinggloryofmelitta103I might have to abandon Google Pages -- a resource I'd thought was a handy,">http://scott.marquardt.googlepages.com/bodumthermalmugreviewhttp://scott.marquardt.googlepages.com/infraroasterhttp://scott.marquardt.googlepages.com/radiantcoffeeroastinghttp://scott.marquardt.googlepages.com/roastcoffeeinamughttp://scott.marquardt.googlepages.com/thefadinggloryofmelitta103I might have to abandon Google Pages -- a resource I'd thought was a handy,
"get it up quick" means to worthy ends.
- Scott
On 7/25/06, Claus Thøgersen  wrote:
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28) From: Claus Thøgersen
Hi,
Just to add to the confusion all these pages work fine.
Claus
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Sendt: 26. juli 2006 05:17
Emne: Re: +Re Aeropress brewing question
Something sure is weird with Google Pages. You're right. Then when I
navigate to the site for managing them, I need only click the link from
there, then come back here and click it, and things are fine. It's as if
it's broke until it gets a referer from the management page, then it's good
for a while again, then broke, etc.
So weird. If anyone cares to try it, let me know if any of these other pages
fail too:http://scott.marquardt.googlepages.com/radiantcoffeeroastinghttp://scott.marquardt.googlepages.com/roastcoffeeinamughttp://scott.marquardt.googlepages.com/thefadinggloryofmelitta103I might have to abandon Google Pages -- a resource I'd thought was a handy,">http://scott.marquardt.googlepages.com/bodumthermalmugreviewhttp://scott.marquardt.googlepages.com/infraroasterhttp://scott.marquardt.googlepages.com/radiantcoffeeroastinghttp://scott.marquardt.googlepages.com/roastcoffeeinamughttp://scott.marquardt.googlepages.com/thefadinggloryofmelitta103I might have to abandon Google Pages -- a resource I'd thought was a handy,
"get it up quick" means to worthy ends.
- Scott
On 7/25/06, Claus Thøgersen  wrote:
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29) From: Scott Marquardt
Actually, just now for me they didn't. If I go to the management page and
click to "view" one, then they all work again. For a while.
So weird. It isn't DNS. It's something weird with Google.
Here's a lame copy of the page in my own namespace:http://marquardts.org/coffee/invertedaeropressing.mhtOn 7/26/06, Claus Thøgersen  wrote:
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