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Topic: Best of Panama (32 msgs / 739 lines)
1) From: Geary Lyons
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Tom has posted the Best of Panama offering!  1# each of the Top 3 coffees
for $100.  This includes the record setting $50.25 per pound 1st
Place -Esmeralda Gesha! The listing says that the coffees are in stock!
Although there have been list members adamant that they would not purchase
at these prices, this is a rare and great opportunity.  Y$MV...
Cheers,
Geary

2) From: Woody DeCasere
Is the Carmen Estate the same coffee we can get for $5.70 a pound, or is it
a special picking from that lot?
On 6/14/06, Geary Lyons  wrote:
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"Good night, and Good Coffee"

3) From: Tom Ogren
As listed, the Carmen Estate CoE#3 does not specify 1800+, and the comment
on the listing says "This Coffee is sold only in the 2006 Best Of Panama
Set".
This would seem to indicate a different lot. For the money though, I'm
thrilled with the 1800+. To use a baseball metaphor, the 1800 steps up to
the front of the plate and takes big swings for the fence. It's a homerun I
think. Being a poor boy and all, I won't be doing the three-coffee set, but
I hope to taste them all vicariously through the descriptions provided by
those who take the plunge!
~TO in VA
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4) From: Don Cummings
When the auction occurred Tom himself said that the bag entered into the
competition came directly from the batch that was being sent to SMs.  Also
note that the cupping and roasting notes are exactly the same in both
places.
On 6/14/06, Woody DeCasere  wrote:
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Don

5) From: B. Scott Harroff
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My order is in :-)  
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Geary Lyons
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 11:45 AM
To: homeroast
Subject: +Best of Panama
Tom has posted the Best of Panama offering!  1# each of the Top 3 coffees
for $100.  This includes the record setting $50.25 per pound 1st Place
-Esmeralda Gesha! The listing says that the coffees are in stock!  Although
there have been list members adamant that they would not purchase at these
prices, this is a rare and great opportunity.  Y$MV...
Cheers,
Geary

6) From: Thbull
But the cultivars are different!
I must admit, this offering WILL be on my next order...then I have to
explain to my non-coffee drinking wife, WHY it is. Maybe I can let
here have a sip and taste WHY ;)
Peace,
Thbull 'waiting for payday''
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7) From: Michael Boshes
On 6/14/06, Woody DeCasere  wrote:
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Here's exactly where this special coffee comes from. Cherry picking the
cherries...http://www.haciendaesmeralda.com/"During this past year it occurred to my son, Daniel, that perhaps the cup
of this farm was not due to an overall goodness, but rather perhaps there
was one area that was producing an exceptional cup and, when mixed together
with the rest of the production, a generally 'good' cup resulted. He tested
this notion by cupping coffees from all over the farm. Sure enough, there
was one small valley at the high end of the farm which produced the
extraordinary cup now known as 'Esmeralda Special' – and which was the
coffee that sold at the extraordinary price. The coffee on the remainder of
the farm remains quite good, but not the really knock-your-socks-off cup of
the Esmeralda Special. "
MichaelB

8) From: miKe mcKoffee
That's about the Esmerelda Gesha, not Carmen Estate...
	From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Michael Boshes
	Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 10:25 AM
	On 6/14/06, Woody DeCasere  wrote:
		Is the Carmen Estate the same coffee we can get for $5.70 a
pound, or is it a special picking from that lot?
	Here's exactly where this special coffee comes from. Cherry picking
the cherries...
http://www.haciendaesmeralda.com/	"During this past year it occurred to my son, Daniel, that perhaps
the cup of this farm was not due to an overall goodness, but rather perhaps
there was one area that was producing an exceptional cup and, when mixed
together with the rest of the production, a generally 'good' cup resulted.
He tested this notion by cupping coffees from all over the farm. Sure
enough, there was one small valley at the high end of the farm which
produced the extraordinary cup now known as 'Esmeralda Special' - and which
was the coffee that sold at the extraordinary price. The coffee on the
remainder of the farm remains quite good, but not the really
knock-your-socks-off cup of the Esmeralda Special. " 
	 
	MichaelB

9) From: Tom Ogren
Why the higher score for the CoE Third Place?
On 6/14/06, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
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10) From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
When the auction occurred Tom himself said that the bag entered into 
the competition came directly from the batch that was being sent to 
SMs.  Also note that the cupping and roasting notes are exactly the 
same in both places.
The Carmen lot IS the same coffee lot, at least that is what Carlos 
told me. There is no mixing between our lot and the auction lot - we 
have only 126# of the Carmen and that last Lb is for me ... so there 
are 125 "sets". So yes, the 5.70 Carmen turns out to be a pretty fine 
deal in retrospect. And it is also nearly sold out!
The Gesha is a special picking, and we will have a small amount of 
regular Gesha in about a month. The Bambito is a special picking, and 
that coffee is not available outside of the auction, although I have 
had the wheels in motion to buy it as a regular offering for about a 
year now.
I don't know what to say about paying $100 for 3 lbs of coffee. It's 
a lot of money, but I feel very, very strongly that the quality of 
these 3 coffees is exemplary, and after doing 5 cupping competitions 
in a row, that final table of top coffees in panama, the top 8, of 
which these are the top 3, was staggering. I don't know if it is 
worth putting it in perspective, but compared to JBM this year (which 
ranged from insipid to awful, and at its best is a nice mild cup) and 
given what I had to pay for these coffees (and given what the other 
buyers in our group will be charcging for 1 roasted Lb. of Esmeralda 
Gesha!), it is not something so outrageous. Then again, $100 for 3 
Lbs of coffee IS OUTRAGEUOS! So I can see it from both sides. Hey, 
it's something to talk about. I don't intend to make a habit of this, 
but I will say that this auction season, when a coffee is REALLY 
exceptional, I want to get it. In most cases, this means splitting 
the lot with Small Axe group, with Stumptown or Intelligentsia, or 
likewise. In Honduras, the 2 lots we split with Stumptown were 
"must-haves". I am drinking the #12 lot now - a Honduran that cups 
like a Kenya - amazing.
Anyway, I appreciate the feedback on the Panama, pro and con, because 
in a way what I do is a service and I am YOUR coffee buyer, so what 
you think about the cup and the price on these Panamas is of great 
interest to me...
Tom
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                   "Great coffee comes from tiny roasters"
            Sweet Maria's Home Coffee Roasting  -  Tom & Maria
                      http://www.sweetmarias.com                Thompson Owen george_at_sweetmarias.com
     Sweet Maria's Coffee - 1115 21st Street, Oakland, CA 94607 - USA
             phone/fax: 888 876 5917 - tom_at_sweetmarias.com

11) From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
	Here's exactly where this special coffee comes from. Cherry picking
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BTW - I apologize because every year the name on this coffee has been 
a little different (Jaramillo Geisha, Esmeralda Especial Geisha etc) 
- if it says Gesha or Geisha (the former is correct, not the later) 
it is the special cultivar. I have never offered any other coffee 
from their farms except the Gesha. Their regular La Esmeralda coffee 
is a nice Panama, akin to Hartmann Estate coffee.
When you see people offering La Esmeralda Panama, that does not mean 
Gesha. If it is $6 or $8, it is DEFINITELY not Gesha. Our "regular" 
Gesha this year will be about $18 or so ... (havent received freight 
doc.s yet so I am not sure)
Tom
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                   "Great coffee comes from tiny roasters"
            Sweet Maria's Home Coffee Roasting  -  Tom & Maria
                      http://www.sweetmarias.com                Thompson Owen george_at_sweetmarias.com
     Sweet Maria's Coffee - 1115 21st Street, Oakland, CA 94607 - USA
             phone/fax: 888 876 5917 - tom_at_sweetmarias.com

12) From: Justin Marquez
On 6/14/06, Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee 
wrote:
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How come the "regular offering" scores 88.8 and the "Best of..." scores 91.7
since they are from the same lot? Is there that much "noise" in the cupping
process?
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (Snyder, TX)

13) From: Les
Tom and fellow homeroasters,
I think this is outstanding, fantastic, superb, exceptional, unique,
awesome, . . . . . . . etc in the superlatives!  Five years ago the
crazy Scandinavians or the Japanese would have scarfed up these lots
and we wouldn't have had a chance.  Thanks Tom for this venturesome
business decision according to many people I am sure!  I have my order
in.
The Pro of buying all three like this is a wonderful set of coffees
with a nice price averaging factor.
The only Con I can see is someone thinking they just have to buy these
coffees if they want to be a coffee snob like some of the rest of us.
I think one should evaluate why they homeroast.  Long gone for me are
the days I walk around all day with a cup of coffee in my hand absent
minded drinking about 20 cups a day.  If that is the way you drink
homeroast maybe the Special Lot isn't for you.  I enjoy 3-7 cups of
coffee a day and I usually sit down and enjoy the cup from hot to warm
as I consume it.   I drink way less coffee than I did 20 years ago.
So again thanks Tom.  I don't mind the outrageous price for a unique
coffee experience.  For those on a very limited budget.  I would like
to remind you that all of Sweet Marias coffees are carefully cupped
and you are getting the best of the best.  If the Law said I could
only have one of Tom's offerings it would be the Uganda Bugisu for
$4.90 a pound, one of the least expensive on the list!  Don't forget
you can get a CoE Panama the Carmen Estate 1800 for $5.70 a pound.  If
I were a greedy guy I would order 20 pounds at 87.78 and have a nice
smug look on my face.
Last off, we have an honest business in Sweet Marias and we should be
thankful.  I don't know how much Carmen Estate Tom has left, but  the
CoE went for $14.20 a pound and I bet many businesses would have
raised the price to about $20.00 a pound since it came from the same
lot.  So my word of advice to all those that are complaining about the
high price of the trifecta, go for the last of the Carmen Estate 1800
at $5.70 a pound!  Enjoy one of the 3 for a super discounted price!
I hope we see more of these special offerings.  I hope the farmers
take notice and start going for quality over quanitity.  I hope the
farmers and processors start getting a better return for their labor.
This says a lot to them.
Les
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14) From: miKe mcKoffee
I understand how different bags from the same large lot could get different
cupping scores, what perplexes me is the Best of Panama #3 Carmen Estate
varietal is listed as Typica, Caturra & Catuai while the 1800+ as Catuai
Rojo only...typo or ?
miKe
	From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Justin Marquez
	Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 1:19 PM
	To: homeroast
	Subject: Re: +Best of Panama
	
	On 6/14/06, Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
 wrote: 
		When the auction occurred Tom himself said that the bag
entered into
		the competition came directly from the batch that was being
sent to 
		SMs.  Also note that the cupping and roasting notes are
exactly the
		same in both places.
		
		The Carmen lot IS the same coffee lot, at least that is what
Carlos
		told me. There is no mixing between our lot and the auction
lot - we 
		have only 126# of the Carmen and that last Lb is for me ...
so there
		are 125 "sets". So yes, the 5.70 Carmen turns out to be a
pretty fine
		deal in retrospect. And it is also nearly sold out!
		
	How come the "regular offering" scores 88.8 and the "Best of..."
scores 91.7  since they are from the same lot? Is there that much "noise" in
the cupping process?
	
	Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
	Justin Marquez (Snyder, TX)

15) From: miKe mcKoffee
No question the "value" is there, especially the Gesha. At $100 for 3 rare
pounds still cheaper than a single # of Kopi greens, or is it browns, or is
it droppings...;-)
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
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16) From: Brett Mason
Coffee logs...
Welcome back, Mike!
Brett
On 6/14/06, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
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Regards,
Brett Mason
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17) From: javafool
Hi miKe, good to hear from you. I got my triple pack order in first thing
this morning, probably about 2:30 AM your time.
Shortly before your return there was some discussion on this list about the
mild flavor and the high price of Kona Koffee. Now that the Kona Kop has
returned, the Kona ba$hing has subsided, LOL. I still think there is a
fairly large group that does not taste the HUGE ending, that long
aftertaste, common in both good Kona and JBM.
Welcome back,
Terry

18) From: Aaron
The main question I believe is,  is it worth it to YOU?  What is your 
cutoff point on what you will pay for a coffee no matter how good others 
say it is?  How important is it to YOU to have this coffee?
Are you buying it for your own enjoyment, because you know what it is, 
or are you buying it so you can snob up in front of your friends... ie  
Ooh, this is XXX coffee and it cost me YYY a pound.  Do they know what 
you are talking about, do they even care?
Some folks balk at even $15 a pound for Kona's and other select coffee's 
like the JBM or the AME.  Others say, ok gimme 20 pounds of that!!
Me personally, that's just a bit too much money to pay for coffee.  I 
can not personally jusify a charge of that much. This doesn't mean that 
id not love to get some, just wont pay that much for it.   Does this 
make it wrong for you to buy it?  No of course not!,  those are my 
standards, you have yours, if you can afford it, and the price doesn't 
seem too high for you then by all means get it. 
Whoever does end up getting it, please share with the rest of us how you 
like it.  While I am not second guessing Tom's tastes on it, its always 
nice to get a lot of other opinions and interpretations of how a coffee 
taste as well.
Aaron

19) From: Brett Mason
I think Alchemist John had it right when he mentioned earlier today that it
tastes good to him!  That is the measure!
For example, Harrar just never did it for me - I kind of wish it did, but my
unrefined palatte just didn't get it...  I know many just love it...  :-S
Cheers,
Brett
On 6/14/06, Aaron  wrote:
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Brett Mason
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20) From: rnkyle
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Carmen Estate 1800 meters, this coffee is not for me I really can't =
stand it. More like tea with a stringent bite. I do not care for caturi. =
I have a freind or two who like this type of coffee, so it will go for =
gifts.
Just my 2 cents for what its worth.
preferr RK

21) From: Les
As my Dad would say, "I am sure glad you don't like it, it leaves more for me!"
Les
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22) From: James House
LOL Les.  Well I am waiting for my first batch to rest another day or two to
get to the 4-5 day rest mark before I try it again.  I was not pleased with
it after 1.5 days, which matches what others say that it just needs some
rest.  So I am hoping that is the case because I have ALOT of this bean. :)
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23) From: rnkyle
Les I agree with you, ones man junk is anothers treasure, I'm not saying the 
1800 is junk, SM offers some of the best there is to offer, its just not 
what I like, for those who do enjoy.
RK

24) From: Pecan Jim Gundlach
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On Jun 14, 2006, at 1:28 PM, Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee wrote:
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My order is in, all I have to do is find someone outside this list  
that I can talk coffee with.
     Jim Gundlach
      La Place, Alabama.  A place so small that it is no longer  
officially a place.
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25) From: Justin Marquez
On 6/14/06, rnkyle  wrote:
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So far I have not yet found a coffee from SM's that makes me say
"Yuk... I can't go with that one!"
As it turns out, the Carmen 1800 m is one of my favorites, but as you
point out, "YMMV".
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (Snyder, TX)

26) From: Michael Wade
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Mine too!  Life's too short, etc...

27) From: Tom Bellhouse

28) From: Wendy Sarrett
I've been reading this thread with interest.   I honestly was 
disappointed when I saw SM was selling it as a set. I am willing to pay 
$15 or so for #2 or #3 but the premium between #1 and #2 is too rich for 
my blood.  However, I understand why they're doing it this way...get 
people to go for #1.  Oh well...
Wendy
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29) From: Tara Kollas
I'm really tempted - but I haven't been roasting long enough that I can
roast it without screwing it up.  I understand the comparison to wine - but
the wine is already made - I just have to open it.  Of course, I've uncorked
a $50 bottle of wine, only to find it's corked.  At least with this, I'd be
screwing it up myself.
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30) From: Pecan Jim Gundlach
I went ahead and ordered another seven pounds of coffee I've been  
wanting and I have ten pounds of great coffee coming for $14.36 per  
pound including shipping.
        Jim Gundlach
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31) From: raymanowen
"...cheaper than a single # of Kopi greens, or is it browns, or is it
droppings..."
I think the word for which you are searching rhymes with "Scattah," or
"Pferdescheisse." Harvey, my white rabbit, did it too! -ro
On 6/14/06, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
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Wichita WurliTzer

32) From: Elliott H. O'Reilly
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When I ordered the Panama set, I just rationalized off the cost on the basis
that aside from being addicted to caffeine, I am into homeroasting to enjoy
the great taste of fresh coffee, not as a means to save money.  And I mean
that I thought it was in the real men's handbook that any hobby worth its
beans had to be expensive to qualify!   On the other hand I figure that
brewing the best of Panama set by either drip or french press it is Only
going to cost a piddling $.50 -.80 per cup.  Heck, it's cheaper than going
to 7-11.
 
Elliott


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