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Topic: carmen estate (3 msgs / 84 lines)
1) From: Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee
hi all,
i made a correction to the reviews for the cultivars - both lots are 
majority Catuai (red) with older Typica and Caturra. The trick here 
is that cultivars are interplanted, not kept in distinct plots, so 
the exact percentages are not known. I realized this on my recent 
trip (April) because I didn't make it up to the 1800 meter plot in 
January when I was there. The difference in scores: I used my scores 
from the Panama competition, since I was a judge there. I 
interpolated them into my scoring system. My scoring system is 
tougher. We used the SCAA score system there, which scores 
"cleanliness" and "uniformity" equally with flavor. Carmen scores 
high in these, so I think it bumped the score up. I think at this 
point I should not edit it: that is the score I gave it, it certainly 
deserves it, and in fact I think the score for the "regular" carmen 
lot is too low. Its a schism, highly illogical as spock would say, 
but both scores communicate very high quality, and in similar 
aspects. You know, I have a problem with all of these cumulative 
scores which is why I added (and really like) the Flavor Quality 
Analysis. I feel likeit is time to revamp the scoring system again, 
so that it uses a broader range of numbers. I don't love the COE 
scoring system but it DOES do a good job at this. Anyway, thanks for 
pointing this out, and despite the descrepency the 2 carmen lots did 
originate with the same coffee.
Tom
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2) From: Ed Needham
Tom, I'd be scared if you could nail each score time after time within a 
couple of numbers.  let's face it, we are all human, and not calibrated 
measuring devices.  Tastes and tasting experiences change from day to day 
and week to week, and so to a degree, there is a level of 'slop factor' when 
we try to rate things on a numeric scale.  Anyone who has done any research 
at all using a Likkert Scale understands this.  If it were me, I'd give it a 
number and a +/- 2 or more (grin).
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3) From: Tom Ogren
Tom Owen said "...and in fact I think the score for the "regular" carmen
lot is too low."
--and Tom Owen is completely correct. There is nothing regular about the
"regular" Carmen. It just has to score over 90. The stuff has way too much
character to say otherwise. It feels like a singular experience when tasted
at its peak. The fact that Sweet Maria's continues to offer this coffee at
5.70/lb. is astonishing to me. I consider it nothing short of philanthropy.
Three cheers for our excellent coffee buyer.
TO in VA
On 6/14/06, Ed Needham  wrote:
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