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Topic: Looking for a KMB (20 msgs / 371 lines)
1) From: Greg C. Rose
I've been thinking about trying new brewing methods, and the recent
discussion about the KMB has caught my interest.  So I search the net only
to discover that it has been discontinued!  Anyone know where I could find
one of these?  When I see none on eBay or Amazon, then I know that the
world is truly out of them.
Greg
Seemed to miss the KMB boat.

2) From: James House
I just googled and came up with this:http://www.totalvac.com/parts/468-42.htmlKinda pricey but they are hard to find these days here in the states.  I
think they are still floating around nicely in Canada and in Europe.
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3) From: Vicki Smith
Caynes Housewares, which had it for $70 US/$79 CAD is now officially 
out. I think we sent several people there last week. I know a friend 
from Toronto got what they said was the last one, and it is no longer on 
their website.
vicki
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4) From: Vicki Smith
It is available on the Amazon Germany site. I don't read German, so all 
I know is that it takes 9-12 days to reach the US.http://tinyurl.com/rn2txI don't know if you would have to use a converter (probably you would) ">http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000D8042/qid50917720/sr=8-4/ref=pd_ka_4/302-0947166-2009614or tiny url:http://tinyurl.com/rn2txI don't know if you would have to use a converter (probably you would) 
to get it to work on US current.
vicki

5) From: Douglas H. Boutell
Check here they did have them.http://www.healthystyleproducts.com/krmobr8cucom.htmlVicki Smith wrote:
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6) From: Michael Wascher
One thing it says is that they will ship only to Germany or Austria. Also,
since intended for Europe this unit will be 240V. That might reduce its
utility to North American users.
The description is press brewer. Is this some sort of automated french
press?
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"There is nothing new under the sun but there are lots of old things we
don't know." --  Ambrose Bierce

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8) From: Vicki Smith
The overnight is to Germany and Austria, but I am not sure about regular 
shipping. If you read German, Michael, mebbe you could have a look at 
this page:http://tinyurl.com/r38rg.This is where I saw info about US 
rates and delivery, though it may be their general page and not 
applicable to this item.
I'd certainly check out the US source first.
I've been using the KMB for about a year. When they announced that it 
would no longer be sold in No. America, I bought a backup. It is not a 
press pot, rather it produces coffee under pressure from steam--not 
espresso type pressure, and probably not Moka pot type pressure either. 
The water boils in the receptacle and the resultant steam travels up 
into the top of the pot where it then is forced through the ground 
coffee, at about 200 degrees.
It makes 40 ounces of very good coffee.
I also use a Bialetti Moka pot, a pour over, and  a French Press. The 
KMB produces a brew that is simply different from any of these. I have 
introduced several of my friends to the KMB, and once they find the 
sweet spot, in terms of grind, they, too, bought spares.
It's a shame it never caught on in the US and Canada. In the world of 
drip brewers, I guess it just seemed odd, and at the price point, and in 
stores where no one could really explain it, it was just not selling. 
They used to carry it in Western Canada at a discount mega-drug store 
type place. No way was it going to do well there.
vicki (who can go on and on about Rufus, her KMB)
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9) From: Michael Wade
Vicki,
I'm not surprised that the KMB didn't catch on.
I've always found it odd that vacuum pots were very popular in America at 
one time (Cory, etc) but were supplanted by percolators, of all things, 
which make a much inferior cup.  The only thing I can attribute it to is a 
lack of willingness to do what it takes for higher quality.
I've had numerous people who drink "coffee" tell me after watching me 
prepare some that using a french press "certainly is a lot of trouble for a 
cup of coffee".  I can imagine that they would be appalled at the "trouble" 
of brewing in a KMB.
Michael Wade

10) From: Michael Wascher
Yes, the page you sent a link for is Amazon.DE's general help page about DHL
shipping.
I'm tempted to have it sent to a cousin in Germany & forwarded. But I'd have
to keep it in the laundry room or run another 220V outlet to the kitchen.
Does anybody know, is it easy to change this unit's voltage?
On 6/22/06, Vicki Smith  wrote:
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"There is nothing new under the sun but there are lots of old things we
don't know." --  Ambrose Bierce

11) From: James House
I remember some conversations on coffeegeek talking about some european
grinders, and IIRC the voltage was not the only concern, but the frequency
(Hz) that they operated at.  I think we are 60Hz here in the US, and in
Europe they operate at 50Hz, and some of the posters had concerns that even
if you could step the voltage that you could not change the frequency and/or
there was still concerns about operation over time.  Sorry I don't have more
specific information, I just wanted to share that with you so you could
research further in case you do consider going for a European unit.
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12) From: Vicki Smith
I noticed that they listed several other suppliers. I wonder if any of 
them ship to the US. I'm thinking setting up a watch on Ebay might be a 
good idea.
I think they make things that allow operation of European type things in 
the US, like thishttp://tinyurl.com/ljjsqvicki
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13) From: llurgy
Found a few but they are really expensive, well I think it is
exspensive but I dont know how much they were selling for before they
were discontinued.
Anyways, Gevalia seem the cheapest at $109.00 and even at that price
it has to be cheaper than importing from Europe and doing all the
wiring alterations..http://www.gevalia.com/Gevalia/catalog/product_detail.aspx?product_id!48&catid™http://apexexpress.stores.yahoo.net/8cupmobrcoma.html">http://www.totalvac.com/store/merchant.mvc?http://store.irawoodinc.com/krfmmobraudr.htmlhttp://www.gevalia.com/Gevalia/catalog/product_detail.aspx?product_id!48&catid™http://apexexpress.stores.yahoo.net/8cupmobrcoma.html

14) From: Gary White
Michael,
I just ordered one after seeing this discussion.  I've been going through
the "trouble" of using a French press at work but recently changed work
locations and haven't really been able to use the FP here.  I was hoping
that the KMB would be something I could easily use at my desk.  How much
"trouble" is there to brewing with it?
Thanks,
Gary

15) From: raymanowen
The voltage change would be pretty easy since the only conversion necessary
would be to a heating element. The brewer already has a 240v heater, L1 and
L2 for the 240v supply go to the ends of the heater.
Just imagine the heater being in the shape of a "V". L1 and L2 go to the
ends of the V legs, and the current flows through both legs of the V. For
the 115v model, the heater could be left intact.
Take a close look at the heater- it's probably used for both the 240v and
115v models already.
The 115v Line (black or colored wire) would be connected to the L1 and
L2end points tied together. The 115v N (white) would be connected to
the
midpoint of the V-shaped heater. (Or vice-versa)
Then just get a heavier line cord with the 3-prong grounded plug. Sacrifice
a heavy extension cord if necessary. Don't use any extra pigtail to hook up
the brewer. Obviously, it will draw about twice (1.9X) the rated current
when connected for  115v operation.
14 Ga wiring should be sufficient, or use 12 Ga if you already have an
extension in that gauge. Don't worry about the 50/60 Hz power frequency-
it's no bother for heaters.
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
Got Grinder?

16) From: Michael Boshes
No need to send to Germany. You can find the KMB in the Italian Market - in
Philadelphiahttp://www.fantes.com/coffeemakers_autodrip.htm#mokabrewMichaelB
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17) From: Michael Wascher
Not an issue for a heating element. If they have some electronics the power
supply wouldn't care either.
On 6/22/06, James House  wrote:
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"There is nothing new under the sun but there are lots of old things we
don't know." --  Ambrose Bierce

18) From: Michael Wascher
Ray, you know for a fact that it is accessible?
Heating elements are often encased in a metal tube. Especially if they are
near liquid. It reduces the likelihood of a short circuit in case of a
spill.
On 6/22/06, raymanowen  wrote:
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"There is nothing new under the sun but there are lots of old things we
don't know." --  Ambrose Bierce

19) From: Greg C. Rose
Thank you all for the help.  So far I have had no luck.  I've "purchased"
3 of them now from sites that say nothing about backorder/discontinued,
only to get an email later that says they are out.
I shall continue my quest for a KMB.  Perhaps eBay will turn one up, or
maybe even a thrift store one day...who knows?
I'm hesitant about ordering from Germany.  I'll keep that as a last resort.
Greg
Scouring the Internet

20) From: Vicki Smith
It seems like a bunch of places that still list it on their websites, no 
longer have it in stock. If you can find one, grab it.
v
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