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1) From: Howard Schwartz
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  My wife has a client who is interested in buying her husband the absolute
best coffee maker, regardless of price. I've never considered buying
anything without considering price, let alone a coffee maker, so I need some
help on this. I think they do not have espresso in mind.
  Thanks.
Howard

2) From: Jared Andersson
I personally would get a $15 press pot and a Mazer Mini or Rocky grinder.
Jared
On 6/26/06, Howard Schwartz  wrote:
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3) From: Woody DeCasere
i would think that they would be looking for something a bit more technical,
although i agree with the press. Get them a Technivorm and a good grinder,
that is what people would think is the best coffeemaker, or if money really
isnt an issue why not the clover??
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"Good night, and Good Coffee"

4) From: miKe mcKoffee
Absolute best home coffee making system, regardless of price? GS3 ($4500)
paired with Versalab grinder ($1250), plus shipping;-) An Americano of any
SO or blend (cup of coffee) pulled with that system will dance on your
palate like no other. Should also include a San Franciscan or Dietrich
roaster in the suggested package to make sure their home roast is up to par,
adding only another $5k more or less, since price is no object!!!
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
	From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Jared Andersson
	Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 12:01 PM
	
	I personally would get a $15 press pot and a Mazer Mini or Rocky
grinder.  Jared
	
	On 6/26/06, Howard Schwartz  > wrote: 
		  My wife has a client who is interested in buying her
husband the absolute best coffee maker, regardless of price. I've never
considered buying anything without considering price, let alone a coffee
maker, so I need some help on this. I think they do not have espresso in
mind.
		  Thanks.
		Howard

5) From: Maryann & Dave Schellenberg
Since the OP stated that the client doesn't have espresso in mind, my 
current favorite of all time single cup coffee maker is the Aerobie 
Aeropress. ($45)
For more than one cup at a time, the Krups Moka Brew. ($80) (Good luck 
finding one!).
Dave S.
miKe mcKoffee wrote:
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6) From: Heat + Beans --all the rest is commentary
I agree with Jared.  Or the client lives alone on a mountain top, I'd give
the edge to AeroPress.  Add some extra cool with a bunch of double-walled
bodum glasses.  Better yet, a whopping big gift certificate for
SweetMarias.  Then we can give our amazing, contradictory, and certainly
endless advice directly to the new initiate.
Martin
On 6/26/06, Jared Andersson  wrote:
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Martin
Heat + Beans
    all the rest is commentary

7) From: Sandy Andina
If your client has a spare $6K (or is it 8?) lying around, there's  
always the Clover--of course, it only makes a cup at a time.
Sandy
www.sandyandina.com

8) From: Woody DeCasere
i think the thing to remember is most people dont want to fiddle around with
the toys we so love, give them something simple, grind, put in basket add
water, hit button, wait a few minutes, drink coffee.
On 6/26/06, Maryann & Dave Schellenberg  wrote:
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"Good night, and Good Coffee"

9) From: Aaron
You can give someone the best equipment in the world, if they dont know 
how to use it, the results are going to be disappointing to them.  Nor 
does giving someone a ferrari make them a professional driver either.
yes you can have them blow 10 grand on fancy equipment and have them 
leave disgusted because they can't figure the stuff out.
Personally I think the better route would be to get them something maybe 
mid range price, that is not too complex to learn, let them start there 
then decide themselves they want the big bad fancy one.
im taking it they are probably of the maxwell house / starbucks crowd 
now?   A $150 dollar home roaster, a $60 dollar grinder and a $10 swiss 
gold will make coffee that is of 'godlike' standards compared to what 
they have now.
Just because money may be of no object doesn't mean one will get the 
best results for their experience from the most expensive stuff  available.
just my welfare thoughts on this topic.
Aaron

10) From: miKe mcKoffee
Ease of use was not a stated criteria. In fact, there was no stated criteria
other than 
"...the absolute best coffee maker, regardless of price. ...'I think' do not
have espresso in mind."
Therefore I'll stand by my suggested "ideal coffee making system" of GS3
paired with Versalab for a number of reasons. (I didn't say reasonably
priced (highly doubt I'll ever own either of them) but reasonably priced not
a criteria; or easy simply push a button, also not a criteria)
1) If an "average" person says I don't like espresso, what does that really
mean? Considering that it's extremely difficult to get a good let alone
excellent straight shot "out there". A good straight shot is smooth as silk
and never bitter or sour. And "can" be achieved with virtually any Single
Origin or blend, any degree of roast Cinnamon to French. Strong yes, but
only exhibiting what's good in the bean. Espresso method of extraction able
to elicit flavor components other brewing methods cannot. And it wasn't said
not espresso, but rather "I think do not have espresso in mind."
2) Don't like Americanos. They got it "out there" made from a poorly pulled
shot from stale and or over roasted beans of a blend intended for a straight
shot or even more likely intended to cut through copious amounts of milk,
flavorings and sweeteners never intended to be pulled for an Americano. An
Americano pulled from a shot of a SO, pulled at proper shot temp, from roast
with coffee brewing intended target, then diluted to "coffee strength" will
have flavors extracted from the bean not possible other brewing methods.
3) While the KMB and TV able to brew at a very good "average" ideal brewing
temp of 200f, not all beans sing their full harmonies at 200f. Some like it
hot, some like it cold, some like it 200f just right. French Press or pour
over can address this by learning to control the temp. Even then flavor
elements will be missing compared to espresso extraction Americano "cup of
coffee".
4) Not once in 5 years when someone has asked for a cup of coffee at my
house, and I've served them an Americano, has a mention of bad or too strong
espresso taste or it not being a cup of coffee come up. And more often than
not when the person had normally added sugar at home, they find no need.
That said do I realistically think anyone would go out and buy a GS3 and
Versalab after asking said question? Of course not. They'd have to spend
considerable time on places like this List and other places with even
steeper Slippery Slopes than here!
If their usual cup now is drip, they'd probably be extremely happy with a TV
and Maestro Plus or similar class grinder.
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
	From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Woody DeCasere
	Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 1:15 PM
	
	i think the thing to remember is most people dont want to fiddle
around with the toys we so love, give them something simple, grind, put in
basket add water, hit button, wait a few minutes, drink coffee.
	
	On 6/26/06, Maryann & Dave Schellenberg  wrote: 
		Since the OP stated that the client doesn't have espresso in
mind, my
		current favorite of all time single cup coffee maker is the
Aerobie
		Aeropress. ($45)
		For more than one cup at a time, the Krups Moka Brew. ($80)
(Good luck 
		finding one!).
		
		Dave S.
		
		miKe mcKoffee wrote:
		> Absolute best home coffee making system, regardless of
price? GS3 ($4500)
		> paired with Versalab grinder ($1250), plus shipping;-) An
Americano of any 
		> SO or blend (cup of coffee) pulled with that system will
dance on your
		> palate like no other. Should also include a San Franciscan
or Dietrich
		> roaster in the suggested package to make sure their home
roast is up to par, 
		> adding only another $5k more or less, since price is no
object!!!
		>
		> Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
		> URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:
		>http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htm		> Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary
path. To know I must
		> first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each
Personal enlightenment 
		> found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who
have gone before.
		>
		>
		>
		>       From: homeroast-admin
 
		> [mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf
Of Jared Andersson
		>       Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 12:01 PM
		>
		>       I personally would get a $15 press pot and a Mazer
Mini or Rocky 
		> grinder.  Jared
		>
		>
		>       On 6/26/06, Howard Schwartz   > wrote:
		>
		>                 My wife has a client who is interested in
buying her
		> husband the absolute best coffee maker, regardless of
price. I've never
		> considered buying anything without considering price, let
alone a coffee 
		> maker, so I need some help on this. I think they do not
have espresso in
		> mind.
		>
		>
		>
		>                 Thanks.
		>
		>
		>
		>               Howard
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11) From: javafool
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My Kitchenaid ProLine coffee maker and matching grinder make great =
coffee
and look nice on the counter. Grinding is good and the brew temperature =
and
speed make an excellent pot of coffee. It is a combination that a =
regular
person (non-CSA) would feel comfortable with immediately and can be =
expanded
to many other matching countertop appliances later if they choose. A
matching espresso machine could even be added later if they grow in that
direction.
 
Terry

12) From: Vicki Smith
I'm not very knowledgeable, but friends with even less knowledge than I 
have ask my advice all the time. In general, I don't give advice. I do 
feel comfortable telling folks why I use my particular setup, but that 
is about it.
I know I use a KMB in the morning because I typically make coffee at 
around 4:30 AM, and frankly, at that time of day, I want something 
predictably good (by my lights) that is pretty much plug'n'play. I'll 
tell folks that, and if they have tried my coffee and like it, they 
might go out and get the same setup. Not everyone does though, and there 
is no way I would urge someone to do what I do if I know they really 
like Melitta pod coffee or are more than happy stopping off at Tim 
Horton or Starbucks.
But that's me.
vicki
PS: I sure wish I had a friend who really knew his or her way around an 
espresso machine. I have these yearnings, but have never really had 
anything but second rate coffeehouse shtuff.
miKe mcKoffee wrote:
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13) From:
skip the espresso issue and I would buy a techno.
ginny
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14) From: Les
Jared,
You have been well trained!!!  As the Professor says, "The brewer is
an accessory to the grinder.""
Les
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15) From: Jim Anderson
Howard,
You have a lot of suggestions to research.
Here is one more. A Solis Master 5000. Tom and Maria carry them. The
adjustable grinder is part of the unit. Beans in one hopper, water in
the other, push a button and you have a great cup of coffee. It does
have a steam wand if you want to froth some milk.
I think the price is around $600 so she can feel like she spent some money. ;)
We have had one for a few years and it has worked well.
Let us know what she ends up with.
Jim
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16) From: Jared Andersson
Thanks Les.  After reading the other responses I bet we all get asked this
question from friends and family.  When we are asked "what is the best
coffee maker"  by the average Joe I think it is safe to assume in most cases
that what the person is really asking is how can I get the best tasting
coffee.  The average Joe is not even aware that the right grind, quality
beans, fresh beans, clean equipment etc even matter.  Maybe the best coffee
maker is one that comes with a good grinder, a regular supply of fresh high
quality beans, cleaning equipment and maybe most importantly access to
people on this list for future support and info when Joe realizes he wants
the GS3.  Jared
On 6/26/06, Les  wrote:
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17) From: raymanowen
On 6/26/06, Howard Schwartz  wrote:
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Howard, whatever she decides on for brewing coffee, don't forget it needs
ground to be brewed.
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
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