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Topic: Espresso daunting > RE: 'robust'/'espresso' type coffee . RE: Home roasters (was Re: +Lurker on the Food Saver List (7 msgs / 326 lines)
1) From: miKe mcKoffee
Actually not living in a Metro area with a (bad to mediocre at best)
espresso café on every corner could be a plus. Before I started my =
home
espresso journey I'd not once had a shot of espresso that was pleasant,
never. I'd never heard of Stumptown or any other place that focused on
quality. But had heard enough from people online to realize espresso I'd
tried wasn't what they were talking about. Decided to give espresso a go =
at
home and haven't looked back since.
Expense wise it can seem daunting. But you can get into decent home =
espresso
for not much more than a Technivorn (entry level Gaggia ~$200 and often =
can
be found for sale used)assuming you have an entry level capable grinder.
Some move on from entry level espresso machines, some don't. Grinder =
wise I
started with a Solis Maestro already had, many started with and still =
use a
Zass. And all the "hand holding" I got getting started was online here,
Coffeegeek and later Home Barista. And if you do find the journey not to
your liking can always recoup majority of your investment.
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I =
must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal =
enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone =
before.
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2) From: miKe mcKoffee
No, I was referring to the Gaggia Espresso or Carezza, both have the same
internals as the higher priced Gaggia's but with no 3-way valve. Haven't
heard any feedback on the Topazio which appears to use different internals
than the other Gaggia's (notably 680 watts instead of 1425 watts) plus
aluminum instead of chromed brass portafilter. Not saying it won't do the
job, but if was my money I'd go for a $275cdn refurb/buyer's remorse Gaggia
Espresso they have offered over the $239cdn Topazio.
By all accounts the SL70 is also a good starter machine. However, instead of
$399cdn for SL70 I'd go less expensive Gaggia and save the difference
towards future grinder upgrade. The Maestro will likely get you by for
awhile, I used it for 6 months with the very finicky Silvia, but the burrs
tend to dull rather fast grinding for espresso, you will get better longer
term results from a better grinder.
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
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3) From: miKe mcKoffee
Are you sure the refurb "Espresso" is out of stock. Site shows new as out of
stock but if you click 'more info' shows Refurb can be ordered, tested and
it added it to shopping cart. Of course, still doesn't mean really in stock
just their database thinks so!
Grinder upgrade wise that's why I said 'apply towards future grinder
upgrade', $100cdn and change 'taint gonna get a good grinder I agree:-)
miKe 
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4) From: Steven Sobel
Vicki,
Ebay has the Gaggia Espresso De Luxe refurbished with a 6 month warrantee
for $175 plus $35.00 shipping USD, item #160000760589.
Steve
On 7/7/06, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
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5) From: Brian Kamnetz
Our hosts sell brand new Gaggia Espresso, backed with a 1-year
warranty, for $219 (+ 17 Lbs. Shipping).
Brian
On 7/7/06, Steven Sobel  wrote:
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6) From: Sandy Andina
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Forget the Topazio if it has an aluminum PF--you won't have enough  
mass to retain heat the way brass does, and it'lll pit and corrode.   
I used to have Krups machines (pump, not steam toy), and their  
aluminum PFs were just too flimsy to heat properly.  Gaggias have  
aluminum boilers, too, which are not as good as brass, but at least  
the brass PFs and groups are good compromises.
On Jul 7, 2006, at 11:42 AM, miKe mcKoffee wrote:
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Sandy
www.sandyandina.com
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Forget the Topazio if it has an =
aluminum PF--you won't have enough mass to retain heat the way brass =
does, and it'lll pit and corrode.  I used to have Krups machines =
(pump, not steam toy), and their aluminum PFs were just too flimsy to =
heat properly.  Gaggias have aluminum boilers, too, which are not as =
good as brass, but at least the brass PFs and groups are good =
compromises. 
On Jul 7, 2006, at 11:42 AM, miKe mcKoffee =
wrote:
No, I was referring to the = Gaggia Espresso or Carezza, both have the sameinternals as the higher priced Gaggia's but with no = 3-way valve. Haven'theard any feedback on the = Topazio which appears to use different internalsthan the other Gaggia's (notably 680 watts instead = of 1425 watts) plusaluminum instead of chromed = brass portafilter. Not saying it won't do thejob, but if was my money I'd go for a $275cdn = refurb/buyer's remorse GaggiaEspresso they = have offered over the $239cdn Topazio. By all = accounts the SL70 is also a good starter machine. However, instead = of$399cdn for SL70 I'd go less expensive Gaggia = and save the differencetowards = future grinder upgrade. The Maestro will likely get you by forawhile, I used it for 6 months with the very finicky = Silvia, but the burrstend to dull rather fast = grinding for espresso, you will get better longerterm results from a better grinder. Kona = Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffeeURL to Rosto = mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint=.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmfirst not know. And in knowing = know I know not. Each Personal enlightenmentfound exploring the many divergent foot steps of = Those who have gone before. = -----Original = Message-----From: homeroast-admin= s.sweetmarias.com [mailto:homeroast-adm= in] On Behalf Of Vicki = SmithSent: Friday, July 07, 2006 8:27 = AMTo: homeroast= s.com Mike, I'd appreciate it if you would take a gander = at this page http://www.espressotec.co=m/hegaggia.asp and let me know if the = machine at $239 is what you are talking about. Despite the = current strength of our = dollar, things are still more expensive in Canada. I had = been thinking about the Solis Crema SL 70, at a tad under $400 here. I = have the Maestro grinder. vicki miKe = mcKoffee wrote: = Expense wise it can seem = daunting. But you can get into  decent home espresso for not much more than a = Technivorn (entry level Gaggia  ~$200 and often can be found for sale used)assuming = you have an entry level  capable grinder.homeroast mailing listhttp://li=sts.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroastTo change your personal list settings (digest = options, vacations, unsvbscribes) go to http://=sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings homeroast mailing listhttp://li=sts.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroastTo change your personal list settings (digest = options, vacations, unsvbscribes) go to http://=sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings = = --Apple-Mail-26-40747061--

7) From: Brian Kamnetz
I noticed that the cheapest SM shipping option for the Gaggia Espresso:
- UPS Ground ($16.53)
Brian
On 7/7/06, Brian Kamnetz  wrote:
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