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Topic: To go with coffee, not biscotti (18 msgs / 905 lines)
1) From: miKe mcKoffee
Debi's been after me to make some scones instead of biscotti so I did. First
time making scones. Read numerous recipes and found one that sounded like a
winner, only liquid is sour cream and an egg (unless you also count the 1c
butter as a liquid.) "Grandma Johnson's Scones" third generation recipe at
Allrecipes.com. (5 out 5 star rated by 450 reviewers) I modified the basic
recipe adding 1c craisons (instead of suggested optional raisins) and 1
heaping t orange zest. Also sprinkled with coarse turbinado sugar before
putting in the oven. 
About 45sec after taking them out of the oven broke off a tip to see how
they turned out 'cuz they smelled excellent. Somehow the intended wee nibble
caused the entire good sized scone to vanish! 
If you like a scone with your coffee now & then I highly recommend this
recipe. No, you'll highly unlikely find scones like this anywhere but maybe
a very upscale bakery. In truth I don't recall ever buying a scone this
good, simply fantastic scone recipe.
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.

2) From: Don Cummings
I have never purchased a scone I liked. For that reason I spent the first
couple years of my marriage vetoing my wife's suggestions that we make a
batch.
I eventually relented after trying a shortcake recipe that turned out
amazing and was very similiar to the scone recipe in the book.
One major difference between the two was the orange zest in the scone.  The
other was chocolate chips or raisins (obviously.)  They both called for the
coarse sugar. I still believe I would not like scones if it were not for
those 3 items.
On the same hand. I STILL have not had a biscotti that I really liked. Mike.
Nudge, nudge, wink wink, hint hint.
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Don

3) From: Vicki Smith
As long as we are doing recipes, I have one that features lovely freshly 
roasted beans, though it is not a baked product.
I have been making coffee flavoured yogurt. I first thought about it 
after the coffee ice cream discussion we had here a few weeks ago. And 
like with the ice cream, I bring the milk to a boil with coffee beans in 
it. Then I let it steep over night in the fridge, before bringing it 
back up to temp (still with the beans) in the morning. I strain the 
beans out, at that point, add in some sweetener (I use Splenda because I 
am a diabetic) and then make the yogurt as usual in my yogurt maker.
It's wonderful.
Vicki

4) From: Sandy Andina
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I love scones. Too much, in fact. Alas, have yet to see a low-carb/ 
low-glycemic one, so it's sugar-free/low-carb biscotti or (a tiny  
piece of) bittersweet chocolate for me if I'm going to have anything  
sweet with my coffee.  (I am on an amalgam of Atkins/South Beach due  
to insulin-resistance-aggravated obesity; sugar and flour are red  
flags for those of us with "metabolic syndrome," aka prediabetes, or  
in danger of developing it, which is responsible for as much as 60%  
of obesity in women over age 40. Your mileage may vary, however).
On Jul 7, 2006, at 11:35 AM, Don Cummings wrote:
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I love scones. Too much, in =
fact. Alas, have yet to see a low-carb/low-glycemic one, so it's =
sugar-free/low-carb biscotti or (a tiny piece of) bittersweet chocolate =
for me if I'm going to have anything sweet with my coffee.  (I am on =
an amalgam of Atkins/South Beach due to insulin-resistance-aggravated =
obesity; sugar and flour are red flags for those of us with "metabolic =
syndrome," aka prediabetes, or in danger of developing it, which is =
responsible for as much as 60% of obesity in women over age 40. Your =
mileage may vary, however).
On Jul 7, 2006, at 11:35 AM, =
Don Cummings wrote:
I = have never purchased a scone I liked. For that reason I spent the first = couple years of my marriage vetoing my wife's suggestions that we make a = batch.    I eventually relented after trying = a shortcake recipe that turned out amazing and was very similiar to the = scone recipe in the book.   One major difference = between the two was the orange zest in the scone.  The other was = chocolate chips or raisins (obviously.)  They both called for the = coarse sugar. I still believe I would not like scones if it were not for = those 3 items.   On the same hand. I STILL have = not had a biscotti that I really liked. Mike. Nudge, nudge, wink wink, = hint hint.   On 7/7/06, = miKe mcKoffee <mcKona> = wrote: Debi's been = after me to make some scones instead of biscotti so I did. First time = making scones. Read numerous recipes and found one that sounded like a = winner, only liquid is sour cream and an egg (unless you also count = the 1c butter as a liquid.) "Grandma Johnson's Scones" third = generation recipe at Allrecipes.com. (5 out 5 star rated = by 450 reviewers) I modified the basic recipe adding 1c craisons = (instead of suggested optional raisins) and 1 heaping t orange zest. = Also sprinkled with coarse turbinado sugar before putting in the = oven. About 45sec after taking them out of the oven broke off a = tip to see how they turned out 'cuz they smelled excellent. Somehow = the intended wee nibble caused the entire good sized scone to = vanish! If you like a scone with your coffee now & then I = highly recommend this recipe. No, you'll highly unlikely find scones = like this anywhere but maybe a very upscale bakery. In truth I don't = recall ever buying a scone this good, simply fantastic scone = recipe. Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee URL to Rosto mods, = FrankenFormer, some recipes etc: =http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately = the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must first = not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal = enlightenment found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those = who have gone before. = homeroast = mailing list http://li=sts.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast To change your = personal list settings (digest options, vacations, unsvbscribes) go to = http://=sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings
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5) From: Ken Mary
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Avoid sugar-free anything. The side effects of sugar substitutes are
dangerous IMO. White sugar and white flour are fine to eat, as long as you
do not make them a major part of the diet. You should know to include a
premium multivitamin/mineral supplement in bulk powder or capsule form.
Tabletted multivitamins do not dissolve fast enough in spite of what the
mfrs say. And do not forget breakfast within one hour of arising. Too long =
a
time between the last food of the day and the first food of the next day
after sleep, forces the body to conserve energy and fat. If you need to los=
e
weight, eat multiple small meals every few hours, and drink water between
meals not with the meal.
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6) From: Steven Sobel
Espresso is a form of water, isn't it?  Would that count?
Steve
On 7/7/06, Ken Mary  wrote:
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7) From: Sandy Andina
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Also, there is no scientific basis for not consuming water with  
meals. Quite the opposite--increases absorption of essential  
nutrients and fills you up.
On Jul 7, 2006, at 3:00 PM, Steven Sobel wrote:
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Also, there is no scientific =
basis for not consuming water with meals. Quite the opposite--increases =
absorption of essential nutrients and fills you up.
On Jul =
7, 2006, at 3:00 PM, Steven Sobel wrote:
Espresso is a form of water, isn't it?  Would that = count?   Steve   = On 7/7/06, Ken Mary <kdmary> wrote: = >From: Sandy = Andina > I love scones. Too much, in fact. Alas, have yet to see = a > low-carb/low-glycemic one, so it's sugar-free/low-carb = biscotti or (a tiny > piece of) bittersweet chocolate for me if = I'm going to have anything sweet > with my coffee. (I am on an = amalgam of Atkins/South Beach due to > = insulin-resistance-aggravated obesity; sugar and flour are red flags for = > those of us with "metabolic syndrome," aka = prediabetes Avoid sugar-free anything. The side effects of sugar = substitutes are dangerous IMO. White sugar and white flour are fine = to eat, as long as you do not make them a major part of the diet. = You should know to include a premium multivitamin/mineral supplement = in bulk powder or capsule form. Tabletted multivitamins do not = dissolve fast enough in spite of what the mfrs say. And do not = forget breakfast within one hour of arising. Too long a time between = the last food of the day and the first food of the next day after = sleep, forces the body to conserve energy and fat. If you need to lose = weight, eat multiple small meals every few hours, and drink water = between meals not with the = meal. -- homeroas= t mailing list =http://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroastTo change = your personal list settings (digest options, vacations, unsvbscribes) go = to http://=sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings = = --Apple-Mail-30-50686662--

8) From: Brett Mason
Who knew?
On 7/7/06, Sandy Andina  wrote:
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Regards,
Brett Mason
HomeRoast
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9) From: Barry Luterman
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Actually the way I heard it is saliva contains an enzyme called =
ptyalin.Ptyalin breaks down starches. If excess fluids are ingested =
during eating the ptyalin gets diluted and the starches do not get =
broken down.

10) From: Aaron
and does the Ptyalin come from the Ptytutitary gland?
Drink a homebrew with it, the active yeast culture will break down the 
starches.

11) From: Sandy Andina
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Ptyalin breaks down starches all right--and converts them to sugars.  
You can test that with a piece of white bread or unsalted cracker-- 
notice how much sweeter it gets before you can even swallow it. And  
your insulin spikes. If starches are not broken down till further on  
in the digestive tract, there's less of a chance of the insulin spike  
and a greater chance the starches don't completely turn to sugars.  
The insulin spike causes both impaired fat metabolism (and increased  
fat storage) as well as hypoglycemia and starch cravings in the form  
of "sugar shock;" in insulin-resistant individuals it fails to reduce  
blood glucose but continues to promote fat storage, especially  
visceral and abdominal rather than cutaneous fat--two of the three  
hallmarks of the triad of metabolic syndrome.
On Jul 7, 2006, at 4:29 PM, Barry Luterman wrote:
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Ptyalin breaks down starches all =
right--and converts them to sugars. You can test that with a piece of =
white bread or unsalted cracker--notice how much sweeter it gets before =
you can even swallow it. And your insulin spikes. If starches are not =
broken down till further on in the digestive tract, there's less of a =
chance of the insulin spike and a greater chance the starches don't =
completely turn to sugars. The insulin spike causes both impaired fat =
metabolism (and increased fat storage) as well as hypoglycemia and =
starch cravings in the form of "sugar shock;" in insulin-resistant =
individuals it fails to reduce blood glucose but continues to promote =
fat storage, especially visceral and abdominal rather than cutaneous =
fat--two of the three hallmarks of the triad of metabolic =
syndrome. 
On Jul 7, 2006, at 4:29 PM, Barry Luterman =
wrote:
Actually the way I heard = it is saliva contains an enzyme called ptyalin.Ptyalin breaks down = starches. If excess fluids are ingested during eating the ptyalin gets = diluted and the starches do not get broken = down.----- Original = Message -----From: Brett = MasonTo: homeroastSent: Friday, July 07, 2006 11:20 AMSubject: Re: +To go with coffee, not = biscotti Who knew? On 7/7/06, Sandy Andina <sandraandina> = wrote:Also, there is no scientific basis for not consuming = water with meals. Quite the opposite--increases absorption of essential = nutrients and fills you up. On Jul 7, 2006, at 3:00 PM, = Steven Sobel wrote: Espresso is a form of water, isn't = it?  Would that count?

On 7/7/06, Ken Mary < = kdmary> wrote:>From: Sandy Andina
> I love scones. Too much, in fact. Alas, have yet = to see a
> = low-carb/low-glycemic one, so it's sugar-free/low-carb biscotti or (a = tiny
> piece = of) bittersweet chocolate for me if I'm going to have anything = sweet
> with = my coffee. (I am on an amalgam of Atkins/South Beach due to
> insulin-resistance-aggravated = obesity; sugar and flour are red flags for
> those of us with "metabolic syndrome," aka = prediabetes

Avoid sugar-free anything. The side = effects of sugar substitutes are
do not make = them a major part of the diet. You should know to include a
premium multivitamin/mineral = supplement in bulk powder or capsule form.
Tabletted multivitamins do not dissolve fast enough in = spite of what the
mfrs say. = And do not forget breakfast within one hour of arising. Too long = a
time = between the last food of the day and the first food of the next day =
after = sleep, forces the body to conserve energy and fat. If you need to lose =
weight, eat = multiple small meals every few hours, and drink water between
meals not with the meal.
--
homeroast mailing list
To change your personal list settings = (digest options, vacations, unsvbscribes) go to

--  Regards, Brett = Mason
= = --Apple-Mail-33-81031873--

12) From: Ken Mary
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up.
Some water with meals (like cereal with milk) is ok for those of us in good
health and properly HYDRATED. The problem is that water with a meal tends to
retard or stop the digestive process by diluting the enzymes and acid. An 8
ounce glass of water 1/2 to 1 hour before the meal will PREPARE the entire
digestive system for food. It passes through the stomach and into the small
intestine where it hydrates the intestine. Some is returned to the stomach
wall via the bloodstream to form the digestive juices and some goes to the
salivary glands to form saliva.
Water with a meal combined with no water before the meal is a major cause of
heartburn and reflux. The dehydrated small intestine is not able to process
the semi-digested stomach contents and there is a reflex reaction that
pushes back into the stomach. Now this causes another reflex action by the
stomach and forces the stomach contents into the esophagus. Now you have
acid reflux and heartburn and will likely spend huge sums of money on purple
pills or pink goo, when all you need is a glass of water BEFORE the meal.http://www.watercure.com/Is coffee equivalent to water? Most "health" authorities say that the
diuretic effects cause the body to lose more water than is gained by
drinking the coffee. But I say that once we are accustomed to the effects of
coffee, our systems adjust to some extent and will use whatever water is
available at the appropriate time.
I do not drink any beverage with a meal, not one drop, the only exception is
cereal with milk. I have my coffee as a "dessert" about an hour after the
meal. However, I often skip the before meal water. From my experience, I can
say that my three 12 ounce mugs of coffee per day do count as water toward
keeping me hydrated.
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13) From: Frank Parth
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Wow, there is so much bogus information on this site it's hard to know where to start. Water cures arthritis and back pain? Uh, huh. As part of a biochemistry course some years ago I did some small research on water and found there's a much bigger quantity of inaccurate marketing data than there is real research information. Typing water into Google returns one billion, four hundred thousand hits. While many of them are legitimate, there are evidently tons of sites pushing magical qualities for water, none of which are backed by any scientific evidence.
Even the old adage that you should drink 8 glasses of water a day is suspect. There was some research done by an M.D. acouple of years ago (I first read about it in the L.A. Times in fall, 2004) that showed no evidence for that statement. The bottom line, water is essential for your body to operate properly and you should drink as much as your body needs. Claims that you should avoid water when eating seem to be folklore rather than any real facts.
IMHO
I'm still trying to figure out how Mike's original post on biscotti got hijacked this way!
Frank Parth

14) From: raymanowen
I fear I'll find the definition of "craisons" some morning when I'm cooking
some raisins into a pot of cracked oats after an overnighter with Damian,
from whom I get the moniker "Opa."
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
On 7/7/06, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
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"When the theme hits the bass, I dance the Jig!" - -Virgil Fox at the Mighty
Wichita WurliTzer- 1976

15) From: raymanowen
All foods become "... a low-carb/low-glycemic one, so it's sugar-free/
low-carb..." after they are consumed if attended by a bike ride with a son
that doesn't even grimace when ascending hills in top gear. "Be right with
you, Dan-"
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
Espresso is a Best Use for water-

16) From: Brett Mason
The best treatise on water was Jim S's paper on water and coffee.
I now have water actually supplied to our home from the city!  We have
faucets on each floor of the house, and a big sink in the kitchen too...
Brett
On 7/8/06, Frank Parth  wrote:
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Regards,
Brett Mason
HomeRoast
   Zassman

17) From: Ken Mary
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It will cure those problems caused by dehydration. There are other causes
for arthritis and back pain. Bogus according to what authority? We can take
this off list if you prefer, I have one more day at home, then out of town
for a week.
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18) From: Sandy Andina
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Sigh. This is utter nonsense according to both my ENT and  
gastroenterologist. It may be conventional wisdom among the herbal/ 
acupuncture/"doctors-only-want-your-money-and-are-in-bed-with-drug- 
companies" crowd, but it truly is "junk science" (as a liberal, I  
ordinarily detest that term). The only water you need before a meal  
is a few sips before the food comes--the glass of water that arrives  
before the breadbasket will do just fine. You should be drinking  
plenty throughout the day anyway.  Personally, I find it is easier to  
swallow my food--and keep from overeating--if I drink water &/or wine  
along with my meal. Your food will liquefy as it is digested anyway.  
And what is the horrible consequence of not digesting all your food?   
It gets excreted. Big deal. In fact, the more thoroughly you digest  
your food, the more likely it is that all the calories in it will be  
available for your body to burn or store--and for those needing to  
control their weight, having a few calories go to waste (instead of  
to waist) is not a bad thing.
  I also had an internist who is a passionate believer in alternative  
medicine (and enthusiastic prescriber of herbs and supplements  
instead of commercial pharmaceuticals whenever possible), and I once  
asked him why he still kept me on Protonix when he suggests hydration  
and deglycerrhized licorice for his other patients. He replied that  
one size does not fit all, that I did have a hiatal hernia and  
esophageal erosions, and that dietary considerations are only a part  
of the picture when it comes to reflux--in more severe cases, it  
doesn't occur only in response to ingestion and digestion. (Nighttime  
reflux--even many hours after eating--can even cause vocal fogginess  
and raspiness by bathing the vocal cords in stomach acid, irritating  
them to the point where they do not close evenly along their entire  
length).
Proper hygiene and common sense can go a long way toward improving  
health and preventing some degree of disease. But "going natural" is  
not a panacea. Those who will tell you that our ancestors, who did  
not have our modern conveniences, foods and pharmaceuticals, did not  
suffer the diseases we see today, are only giving you half the  
picture. The missing info is that we live far longer today and thus  
are subject to maladies our ancestors did not suffer because they  
died (usually of infections, childbirth, violent occurrences of  
nature) before they could contract them.  One of the reasons obesity  
is such a problem nowadays is that our bodies are designed to combat  
the effects of famine and infant/childhood mortality, not abundance  
and overpopulation; and that fertility (which requires a minimum  
percentage of body fat) is now only a small portion of a woman's  
life--most women today live on average twenty to thirty or more years  
after menopause, whereas historically most women either died soon  
after they were no longer fertile or even while they were still in  
their childbearing years.  And as recently as the 19th century, most  
men died by their fifties. Biology lags several million years behind  
sociology, alas.
Mind you, I am no fan of the pharmaceutical industry--they bring  
drugs to market before they have all the necessary information, they  
charge an arm and a leg because they can, and refuse to make and sell  
effective treatments for diseases that are too rare to create a  
lucrative enough market for them.  I am willing to try alternative  
remedies when conventional (and proven) ones don't work. I am aware  
of the dangers of overprocessed foods that often create dependence  
upon the artificial and refined substance they contain (I refuse to  
use the overused term "addiction").  But to make sweeping  
generalizations about the conventional medical establishment and  
condemn all of it along with all of the commercial food industry is  
as wrongheaded and dangerous as to believe everything the  
"authorities" tell you.
On Jul 8, 2006, at 8:57 AM, Ken Mary wrote:
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Sigh. This is utter nonsense =
according to both my ENT and gastroenterologist. It may be conventional =
wisdom among the =
herbal/acupuncture/"doctors-only-want-your-money-and-are-in-bed-with-drug-=
companies" crowd, but it truly is "junk science" (as a liberal, I =
ordinarily detest that term). The only water you need before a meal is a =
few sips before the food comes--the glass of water that arrives before =
the breadbasket will do just fine. You should be drinking plenty =
throughout the day anyway.  Personally, I find it is easier to swallow =
my food--and keep from overeating--if I drink water &/or wine along =
with my meal. Your food will liquefy as it is digested anyway. And what =
is the horrible consequence of not digesting all your food?  It gets =
excreted. Big deal. In fact, the more thoroughly you digest your food, =
the more likely it is that all the calories in it will be available for =
your body to burn or store--and for those needing to control their =
weight, having a few calories go to waste (instead of to waist) is not a =
bad thing. 
 I = also had an internist who is a passionate believer in alternative = medicine (and enthusiastic prescriber of herbs and supplements instead = of commercial pharmaceuticals whenever possible), and I once asked him = why he still kept me on Protonix when he suggests hydration and = deglycerrhized licorice for his other patients. He replied that one size = does not fit all, that I did have a hiatal hernia and esophageal = erosions, and that dietary considerations are only a part of the picture = when it comes to reflux--in more severe cases, it doesn't occur only in = response to ingestion and digestion. (Nighttime reflux--even many hours = after eating--can even cause vocal fogginess and raspiness by bathing = the vocal cords in stomach acid, irritating them to the point where they = do not close evenly along their entire length).  
Proper hygiene and common = sense can go a long way toward improving health and preventing some = degree of disease. But "going natural" is not a panacea. Those who will = tell you that our ancestors, who did not have our modern conveniences, = foods and pharmaceuticals, did not suffer the diseases we see today, are = only giving you half the picture. The missing info is that we live far = longer today and thus are subject to maladies our ancestors did not = suffer because they died (usually of infections, childbirth, violent = occurrences of nature) before they could contract them.  One of the = reasons obesity is such a problem nowadays is that our bodies are = designed to combat the effects of famine and infant/childhood mortality, = not abundance and overpopulation; and that fertility (which requires a = minimum percentage of body fat) is now only a small portion of a woman's = life--most women today live on average twenty to thirty or more years = after menopause, whereas historically most women either died soon after = they were no longer fertile or even while they were still in their = childbearing years.  And as recently as the 19th century, most men = died by their fifties. Biology lags several million years behind = sociology, alas.
Mind you, I am no fan of = the pharmaceutical industry--they bring drugs to market before they have = all the necessary information, they charge an arm and a leg because they = can, and refuse to make and sell effective treatments for diseases that = are too rare to create a lucrative enough market for them.  I am = willing to try alternative remedies when conventional (and proven) ones = don't work. I am aware of the dangers of overprocessed foods that often = create dependence upon the artificial and refined substance they contain = (I refuse to use the overused term "addiction").  But to make sweeping = generalizations about the conventional medical establishment and condemn = all of it along with all of the commercial food industry is as = wrongheaded and dangerous as to believe everything the "authorities" = tell you.   On Jul 8, 2006, at 8:57 AM, Ken Mary = wrote:

Water = with a meal combined with no water before the meal is a major cause = of

heartburn = and reflux. The dehydrated small intestine is not able to = process

the = semi-digested stomach contents and there is a reflex reaction = that

pushes = back into the stomach. Now this causes another reflex action by = the

stomach = and forces the stomach contents into the esophagus. Now you = have

acid = reflux and heartburn and will likely spend huge sums of money on = purple

pills or = pink goo, when all you need is a glass of water BEFORE the = meal.

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