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Topic: Brewtus Review (10 msgs / 357 lines)
1) From: Barry Luterman
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I have been using the Brewtus for over 2 weeks now and am ready to =
report my experiences with The Brute. I held off until now for 2 =
reasons. 1 After spending all that money I would not be completely =
objective in publishing my review. Enough time has elapsed that the =
expenditure is now more or less past history. 2. I had company this past =
week my daughter and son-in -law who are heavy coffee drinkers and home =
roasters themselves. So this past week heavy demands have been put on =
The Brute.
The Brewtus is, a double boiler with HX, espresso machine. When we first =
tried it we noticed excessive shot creep. That is, each succeeding shot =
was hotter than the preceding shot. On opening the back of the machine =
we noted that both the steam boiler and the brew boiler were encased in =
insulating material. Because of this insulating material there was not a =
great deal of temperature difference between the two boilers. the HX was =
too slow to help regulate the temperature. We removed the insulation =
from the brew boiler and immediately noticed water flowing through the =
HX. Now measurements revealed  the temperature between shots to be very =
stable if there is approximately one minute delay between subsequent =
shots. In addition, the HX feature is essential when changing the PID =
for different temperatures. This will be explained later.
We got lucky on the first shot pulled. It was a Puerto Rico AA Yauco =
Selecto blended with something else (MM will know). The shot was truly a =
G-d shot. I just received a shipment of The Yauco and will roast it and =
try it next week. For the last 3 weeks I have not pulled one sink shot =
and some shots nearing G-d shot status. As unforgiving as Miss Silvia =
is; the Brute is very forgiving. I have forgotten to include some steps =
in shot pulling ( PF wiggle, pulling off 4 oz. if machine has been idle =
for more than 10 minutes) and still wind up with a very good to =
excellent shot. The other day I pulled 3 straight shots with =
approximately 45 sec. between the shots. I tasted the first and third =
shot and could notice no discernable difference between shots. I then =
proceeded to steam enough milk to make Cappos from the first 2 shots. We =
all sat down together and enjoyed our coffee together. Time elapsed =
making the 2 Cappos and one espresso approximately 5 minutes. Could =
never do that with a single boiler machine. My daughter told me she has =
had Cappos all over Europe and the US and the one's she has been =
enjoying at my house are the best. Also before leaving Portland I took =
my wife into Stumptown and bought her a Cappo that she loved. I also =
picked up a pound of Hairbender at Stumptown. When we got home I pulled =
my wife a Cappo using the Hairbender. She told me mine was better than =
the one she had at Stumptown.
The PID is calibrated in Celsius. So 95 degrees is equal to 203 degrees =
Fahrenheit. I have found Blends to brew best at 94 degrees and SO to =
brew best at 95. So far I have not needed to change the temperature more =
than 1 degree.Here is where the HX comes in. When changing from 94 =
degrees to 95 steam is released from the steam boiler to the brew boiler =
and the temp rises the 1 degree in about 3 second. When reducing from 95 =
to 94 degrees brew water flows into the steam boiler and cold water from =
the reservoir is pumped into the brew boiler resulting in a drop of 1 =
degree in a matter of seconds.The double boiler set up allows for =
steaming and pulling shots simultaneously if you are so inclined.No =
surfing is needed. The only thing close to surfing required is if the =
machine has been idle for more than 10 minutes you should pull off 4 oz =
of hot water which you use to heat the cup before pulling your first =
shot. As I have said before I sometimes forget this step and have not =
noticed any appreciable difference in the quality of the shot. Another =
feature of the machine I like is the very large reservoir and drip tray. =
So far for all I have used the machine I have not had to fill the =
reservoir more than once per day. Also I haven't had to empty the drip =
tray more than once per day.
So much for the positives. there are some potential negatives:
1. Obviously the price. The new Brewtus II is $1700 and the only =
distributor, I know of, in the US is in Upstate NY.
2. It is a large machine and does not fit under a kitchen cabinet. =
Therefore, it requires quite a bit of counter space.
3. Filling the reservoir is a bit inconvenient. The warming tray has to =
be removed and a funnel has to be placed in the reservoir prior to =
pouring the water in. The machine can be plumbed in but with our new =
Granite kitchen counters and loss of counter space I wouldn't even =
attempt to suggest it to my wife. However, as previously noted, With no =
need for surfing and the large capacity of the reservoir one seldom if =
ever has to refill The Brute during a normal days use. If the reservoir =
runs dry the machine shuts off automatically avoiding any potential =
overheating problems.
4. The steam wand is on the left of the machine. I find this a bit =
inconvenient but am starting to get used to it. It does not seem to be =
too big a deal to reverse the steam wand and hot water dispenser. Just =
haven't gotten around to it and as I said I am  getting used to it. The =
technique for steaming is different from Silvia as well. It took about a =
week for me to adjust. Now my microfoam looks like Meringue on a lemon =
Meringue pie.
5. It is a large machine 61 pounds of metal. The Brute takes about an =
hour to warm up even with the E61 brew head. Easy enough to get around =
though. I have it on a clock. The machine goes on at 6 AM and I usually =
do not pull my first shot until 7 AM.
All-in- all if I had to do it all over again I would not hesitate to buy =
The Brewtus. Next time any of you are in Hawaii come over and enjoy. =
Aloha
 

2) From: Brett Mason
Great Review!
Thanks,
Brett
On 7/14/06, Barry Luterman  wrote:
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Regards,
Brett Mason
HomeRoast
   Zassman

3) From: miKe mcKoffee
	From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Barry Luterman
	Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 2:24 PM
Barry, great to hear you're thoroughly enjoying your Brewtus!
	
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a Cappo that she loved. I also picked up a pound of Hairbender at Stumptown.
When we got home I pulled my wife a Cappo using the Hairbender. She told me
mine was better than the one she had at Stumptown.
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And that, of course, is the bottom line why it's worth it and how expensive
espresso machines are justified!
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the shots. I tasted the first and third shot and could notice no discernable
difference between shots. I then proceeded to steam enough milk to make
Cappos from the first 2 shots. We all sat down together and enjoyed our
coffee together. Time elapsed making the 2 Cappos and one espresso
approximately 5 minutes. Could never do that with a single boiler machine.
My daughter told me she has had Cappos all over Europe and the US and the
one's she has been  enjoying at my house are the best
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This too!-)
The Bricoletta does the same type thing, shot temps just way easier with the
Brewtus!
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.

4) From: Mike Chester
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  So much for the positives. there are some potential negatives:
  1. Obviously the price. The new Brewtus II is $1700 and the only =
distributor, I know of, in the US is in Upstate NY.
  2. It is a large machine and does not fit under a kitchen cabinet. =
Therefore, it requires quite a bit of counter space.
  3. Filling the reservoir is a bit inconvenient. The warming tray has =
to be removed and a funnel has to be placed in the reservoir prior to =
pouring the water in. The machine can be plumbed in but with our new =
Granite kitchen counters and loss of counter space I wouldn't even =
attempt to suggest it to my wife. However, as previously noted, With no =
need for surfing and the large capacity of the reservoir one seldom if =
ever has to refill The Brute during a normal days use. If the reservoir =
runs dry the machine shuts off automatically avoiding any potential =
overheating problems.
  Barry,
  You state that it will not fit under a kitchen cabinet, but the WLL =
site lists the height at 15" which should fit fine.  Is their spec wrong =
or will it fit and you just can't fill it in place?  Thanks.
  Mike

5) From: Barry Luterman
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It fits but you can't fill it. Some people put it under the counter and =
fill it with a long necked spout watering can.The same can as used for =
hanging plants.We have new kitchen cabinets and I don't want to risk =
damage from the heat being dissipated from the cup warmer. The cup =
warmer is just too close to the underside of the cabinet.

6) From: Brett Mason
With a new house, maple cabinets and granite countertops, I had to get
creative with plumbing in my UNIC Diva.  I bought a deep bookshelf and
placed it in the sunroom next to the kitchen counter.  I added Black granite
as a top, but was able to hide all my plumbing under the new cabinets.  I
exited through drywall behind the new bookshelf, and plumbed nicely into the
water intake.  Let me know if you'd like to see pictures. Debbie likes her
kitchen intact, and I like still being able to use the kitchen sink, etc.
for my espresso as required...
Brett
On 7/19/06, Barry Luterman  wrote:
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Regards,
Brett Mason
HomeRoast
   Zassman

7) From: Eddie Dove
I would like to see the pictures.
Eddie
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8) From: Mike Chester
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9) From: Barry Luterman
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No experience myself doing it. But Mike Mc Koffee says it would be easy. =
Also know some people on http://groups.google.com/group/brewtushave done it. As I said in my review the reservoir is large and I =
haven't had to refill it during a normal day.

10) From: miKe mcKoffee
After seeing Barry's Brute I don't believe adding float valve auto fill
would be that difficult. You'd need to drill a hole for the incoming line in
the top SS cup warmer and some hacking of the 90oz plastic reservoir top to
get the float valve in. I don't know what method they use if you order it
plumbed but it doesn't sound like a float valve. FWIW the tank is located on
the far left side, iirc maybe a couple inches wide and length running front
to back. The float valve used for Silvia would work.
Here's the blurb from the distributors website Brewtus Q&A:
This machine can be plumbed, but it can't be retrofitted at this time - you
would need to purchase the machine with the plumb kit already installed.
Please note that this will be an additional fee. If you're interested in
purchasing a plumbed Brewtus II, please contact us directly at XXX-XXX-XXXX
for information on the cost and specifications.
(phone number x'd out of respect for our Host)
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
	From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Barry Luterman
	Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 10:17 AM
	
	No experience myself doing it. But Mike Mc Koffee says it would be
easy. Also know some people on 
http://groups.google.com/group/brewtus	have done it. As I said in my review the reservoir is large and I
haven't had to refill it during a normal day.


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