I have a query about coffee feel in the roof of the mouth. I have noticed on several coffees that I get a dryness or a roughness on the roof of the mouth when drinking some coffees. I get this on quite a few coffees and they are not all from the same region like centrals or Africans. It does not seem to change if roasted in the Zach or the bravi, nor the degree of roast or method of brew. This is the latest, Zimbabwe Salimba roasted to a FC+, ground between drip and french press but done in an aeropress (bad choice of grind for it)and a water temp of 192 degrees. The taste is right on, fruity, then spice-like with a slight nut, chocolate/caramel. The body and wineyness are also present. It was only rested for two days, I just had to try it, and not the normal 4 to 5 days I usually give this type of coffee. I do recognize that the grind was off for this type of brewing, but I have noticed this dryness in a lot of different coffees, roasted to different degrees, properly ground and brewed in different methods (FP, Aero, Drip, PO, and Vacuum). I had my wife try a bit of this last brew (she can't drink much regular as it bothers her and she needs decaf) and she got the same dryness on the roof of her mouth. Any ideas why there is this dryness or is it normal for a lot of coffees? Madhemi ..... Caffeine OD'd Hemi Driver Oh, latest on the truck..blew a torque converter and flex plate...being replaced at no charge......must be the add-ons are making some serious extra hp....GOT HEMI??????????
Haven't noticed that particular coffee phenom'. Does it usually occur the morning after an evening of drinking copious amounts of other than coffee?-) Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before. <Snip>
It happens during drinking the cup. I did some Inet searching on dry mouth and it seems that quite a few things can cause it. I am on some meds for bi-polar, sugar, thyroid, and related. It could be that those meds are the basic underlying cause of it (I do seem to have a bit of problems with dry mouth at night without drinking coffee). It also was said that stress can also lead to it, and I have been under some stress of late. What got me thinking it was something with the coffee was previous to the Zim-Salimba I had some C.R. Tarrazu Dota and didn't have get the dry mouth. After I wrote the first message and finishing the Zim-Salimba cup, I has a little of the C.R. left in a cup and I got the same thing. Now drinking some Iced Green Tea and still have the dry mouth. Looks like it's a false alarm on the coffee doing it. If it has anything to do with it, it's probably the acidity or some component of coffee that intensifies the sensation. I will have to talk to my doctor about it and see what he says. <Snip>
Simple enough, George- When you drink then your eating hole feels somehow dry, it's just your body's non-verbal "More, More!" It was good stuff. Cheers -RayO, aka Opa! Espresso is a Best Use of Water resources-
--- George Miller wrote: <Snip> [...etc.] Sounds like tannins to me. Coffee is a tannic substance, as are tea and red wine. Do you get the same sensation from those? If what your are experiencing is tannins, it may be that you are sensitive to it (them?) or that your coffee is over-extracted. Try a shorter brew time or coarser grind(keeping all other variables the same, of course) and see if that makes a difference. Andy Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Sounds like tannins to me. too. Peel a grape and eat the skin. Same sensation? Wines can get it from the skins, stems, or barrels. Beer from having a too high pH sparge water. I think your meds are making you more sensitive to tannins. But what do I know.. Kit <Snip>
I agree about the tannins. I enjoy a good cup that gives that 'dry' feel. Its like a good wine...complex. I've found that I get the dry sensation moreso when the coffee is brewed in a FP. That leads me to believe that it is the tannins because they are held up in the paper filter of other coffee brewers. Greg
--Apple-Mail-6-861995810 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset -ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Any medication in the "sympathomimetic amine" category has dry mouth as its hallmark--especially psychtropics (SSRIs, tricyclics, major and minor tranks, anticonvulsants, anti-manics, decongestants, antihistamines, beladonna/scopolamine, etc.). And caffeine also has that effect to a lesser degree. Put 'em together, and keep those sucking candies handy... On Jul 16, 2006, at 3:04 PM, George Miller wrote: <Snip> Sandy www.sandyandina.com --Apple-Mail-6-861995810 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset O-8859-1 Any medication in the = "sympathomimetic amine" category has dry mouth as its = hallmark--especially psychtropics (SSRIs, tricyclics, major and minor = tranks, anticonvulsants, anti-manics, decongestants, antihistamines, = beladonna/scopolamine, etc.). And caffeine also has that effect to a = lesser degree. Put 'em together, and keep those sucking candies = handy... On Jul 16, 2006, at 3:04 PM, George Miller = wrote:
I find that I am also slightly sensitive to the tannins in coffee and tea and I do not take any medications. I drink coffee for the flavor and enjoyment and yerba mate tea for the energy boost and so I find I drink a lot of french pressed tea and for the past few years I've had a dry throat off and on and I believe it is due to these tannins that others speak of. I drink plenty of water everyday because if this. Does anyone have recommendations as to how to avoid a constant dry throat while still enjoying coffee and tea on a daily basis? Branden
Long, long ago (1982-1983) and far, far away (in Costa Rica), I spent a couple of summers with a Duke University group that had been studying a population of mantled howler monkeys for over 20 years. Howlers have a special sense organ in the roof of their mouths that discriminates between higher tannin and lower tannin food sources. They also have the big time salivary glands needed to breakdown tannins before they reach their guts. Both are important, because the higher tannin plants generally have less protein, and long-term are not great food choices for them. There are also some plants that are poisonous at some stages, and those stages also are higher in tannins.(I hope I am getting this right--it's been a long time, and I am a social worker/techie type, not a biologist.) In any case, if you don't have enough saliva, tannins can be overwhelming. That fits with What Sandy wrote below. There are prescription medications that can increase saliva production. If it is a chronic problem, it can wreak havoc with your dental health as well because you don't have enough saliva to get rid of cavity producing/gun destroying critters. vicki Sandy Andina wrote: <Snip>
<Snip> If you still have any of your natural teeth left, dry mouth is a serious condition that can lead to the loss of all your remaining teeth, even those with crowns. Make sure you drink enough water and check with your doctor to see if any meds can be safely reduced. This problem is solved easily enough during the day when you can take saliva substitutes or add sialagogue herbs and spices (ginger, black pepper, prickly ash bark) to your food. Nighttime solutions are difficult, you should keep water at your bedside and take sips if needed during waking periods. I have not done much research on meds causing dry mouth. Sandy Andina has this well covered in her message with words that even I cannot pronounce. My opinion is that some meds can cause IRREVERSIBLE damage to the salivary glands. Sorry to have to return to coffee :-) but I have never had the dry palate. To me, a raspy dryness on the TONGUE is a first sign of staleness. Depending on roast method, this may start at day 4 or 5. My popper roasts staled quickly, usually days 4 to 5, but my drum roasts are fine beyond 10 days. --
actually, non dry moputh related i find coffee that is a Boubon varietal to have a dry mouthfeel to them, not a liongering afdter you drank the coffee, but a taste while you are drinking it. On 7/17/06, Ken Mary wrote: <Snip> -- "Good night, and Good Coffee"
--Apple-Mail-9-911512822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset -ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed The sweetener xylitol, made from tree bark and available at some health stores and in some sugarless gums and hard candies, increases saliva production and has been shown to reduce tooth decay (probably by increasing saliva without the bacterial culture medium that sugar provides). Ask your dentist. Another trick is to think about or expose yourself to the stimuli of foods you find appetizing (like walking past a bakery or donut shop)--your mouth will water. Just don't follow through and eat those Krispy Kremes or french fries! On Jul 17, 2006, at 7:57 AM, Ken Mary wrote: <Snip> Sandy www.sandyandina.com --Apple-Mail-9-911512822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset O-8859-1 The sweetener xylitol, made from = tree bark and available at some health stores and in some sugarless gums = and hard candies, increases saliva production and has been shown to = reduce tooth decay (probably by increasing saliva without the bacterial = culture medium that sugar provides). Ask your dentist. Another trick = is to think about or expose yourself to the stimuli of foods you find = appetizing (like walking past a bakery or donut shop)--your mouth will = water. Just don't follow through and eat those Krispy Kremes or french = fries! On Jul 17, 2006, at 7:57 AM, Ken Mary = wrote: