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Topic: Dry mouth (13 msgs / 443 lines)
1) From: George Miller
I have a query about coffee feel in the roof of the mouth. 
I have noticed on several coffees that I get a dryness or a roughness on the 
roof of the mouth when drinking some coffees.  I get this on quite a few 
coffees and they are not all from the same region like centrals or Africans. 
It does not seem to change if roasted in the Zach or the bravi, nor the 
degree of roast or method of brew. 
This is the latest, Zimbabwe Salimba roasted to a FC+, ground between drip 
and french press but done in an aeropress (bad choice of grind for it)and a 
water temp of 192 degrees.  The taste is right on, fruity, then spice-like 
with a slight nut, chocolate/caramel.  The body and wineyness are also 
present.  It was only rested for two days, I just had to try it, and not the 
normal 4 to 5 days I usually give this type of coffee. 
I do recognize that the grind was off for this type of brewing, but I have 
noticed this dryness in a lot of different coffees, roasted to different 
degrees, properly ground and brewed in different methods (FP, Aero, Drip, 
PO, and Vacuum). 
I had my wife try a bit of this last brew (she can't drink much regular as 
it bothers her and she needs decaf) and she got the same dryness on the roof 
of her mouth. 
Any ideas why there is this dryness or is it normal for a lot of coffees? 
Madhemi ..... Caffeine OD'd Hemi Driver 
Oh, latest on the truck..blew a torque converter and flex plate...being 
replaced at no charge......must be the add-ons are making some serious extra 
hp....GOT HEMI??????????

2) From: miKe mcKoffee
Haven't noticed that particular coffee phenom'. Does it usually occur the
morning after an evening of drinking copious amounts of other than coffee?-)
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3) From: George Miller
It happens during drinking the cup.  I did some Inet searching on dry mouth 
and it seems that quite a few things can cause it.  I am on some meds for 
bi-polar, sugar, thyroid, and related.  It could be that those meds are the 
basic underlying cause of it (I do seem to have a bit of problems with dry 
mouth at night without drinking coffee).  It also was said that stress can 
also lead to it, and I have been under some stress of late. 
What got me thinking it was something with the coffee was previous to the 
Zim-Salimba I had some C.R. Tarrazu Dota and didn't have get the dry mouth. 
After I wrote the first message and finishing the Zim-Salimba cup, I has a 
little of the C.R. left in a cup and I got the same thing.  Now drinking 
some Iced Green Tea and still have the dry mouth. 
Looks like it's a false alarm on the coffee doing it.  If it has anything to 
do with it, it's probably the acidity or some component of coffee that 
intensifies the sensation.  I will have to talk to my doctor about it and 
see what he says. 
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4) From: raymanowen
Simple enough, George-
When you drink  then your eating hole feels somehow dry, it's
just your body's non-verbal "More, More!" It was good stuff.
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
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5) From: Andy Thomas
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Sounds like tannins to me. Coffee is a tannic
substance, as are tea and red wine. Do you get the
same sensation from those? If what your are
experiencing is tannins, it may be that you are
sensitive to it (them?) or that your coffee is
over-extracted. Try a shorter brew time or coarser
grind(keeping all other variables the same, of course)
and see if that makes a difference.
Andy
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6) From: Kit Anderson
Sounds like tannins to me. too. Peel a grape and eat the skin. Same 
sensation? Wines can get it from the skins, stems, or barrels. Beer from 
having a too high pH sparge water. I think your meds are making you more 
sensitive to tannins. But what do I know..
Kit
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7) From: Greg C. Rose
I agree about the tannins.  I enjoy a good cup that gives that 'dry' feel.
 Its like a good wine...complex.  I've found that I get the dry sensation
moreso when the coffee is brewed in a FP.  That leads me to believe that
it is the tannins because they are held up in the paper filter of other
coffee brewers.
Greg

8) From: Sandy Andina
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Any medication in the "sympathomimetic amine" category has dry mouth  
as its hallmark--especially psychtropics (SSRIs, tricyclics, major  
and minor tranks, anticonvulsants, anti-manics, decongestants,  
antihistamines, beladonna/scopolamine, etc.).  And caffeine also has  
that effect to a lesser degree. Put 'em together, and keep those  
sucking candies handy...
On Jul 16, 2006, at 3:04 PM, George Miller wrote:
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Sandy
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Any medication in the =
"sympathomimetic amine" category has dry mouth as its =
hallmark--especially psychtropics (SSRIs, tricyclics, major and minor =
tranks, anticonvulsants, anti-manics, decongestants, antihistamines, =
beladonna/scopolamine, etc.).  And caffeine also has that effect to a =
lesser degree. Put 'em together, and keep those sucking candies =
handy...
On Jul 16, 2006, at 3:04 PM, George Miller =
wrote:
It happens during drinking the = cup.  I did some Inet = searching on dry mouth and it seems that quite a few things can cause = it.  I am on some meds = for bi-polar, sugar, thyroid, and related.  It could be that those meds = are the basic underlying cause of it (I do seem to have a bit of = problems with dry mouth at night without drinking coffee).  It also was said that stress = can also lead to it, and I have been under some stress of late. What got = me thinking it was something with the coffee was previous to the = Zim-Salimba I had some C.R. Tarrazu Dota and didn't have get the dry = mouth. After I wrote the first message and finishing the Zim-Salimba = cup, I has a little of the C.R. left in a cup and I got the same = thing.  Now drinking some = Iced Green Tea and still have the dry mouth. Looks = like it's a false alarm on the coffee doing it.  If it has anything to do with = it, it's probably the acidity or some component of coffee that = intensifies the sensation.  = I will have to talk to my doctor about it and see what he = says.  Haven't noticed that particular = coffee phenom'. Does it usually occur themorning = after an evening of drinking copious amounts of other than       > coffee?-) = homeroast mailing listhttp://li=sts.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroastTo change your personal list settings (digest = options, vacations, unsvbscribes) go to http://=sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings = = --Apple-Mail-6-861995810--

9) From: Branden Byers
I find that I am also slightly sensitive to the tannins in coffee and
tea and I do not take any medications. I drink coffee for the flavor
and enjoyment and yerba mate tea for the energy boost and so I find I
drink a lot of french pressed tea and for the past few years I've had
a dry throat off and on and I believe it is due to these tannins that
others speak of. I drink plenty of water everyday because if this.
Does anyone have recommendations as to how to avoid a constant dry
throat while still enjoying coffee and tea on a daily basis?
Branden

10) From: Vicki Smith
Long, long ago (1982-1983) and far, far away (in Costa Rica), I spent a 
couple of summers with a Duke University group that had been studying a 
population of mantled howler monkeys for over 20 years.
Howlers have a special sense organ in the roof of their mouths that 
discriminates between higher tannin and lower tannin food sources. They 
also have the big time salivary glands needed to breakdown tannins 
before they reach their guts. Both are important, because the higher 
tannin plants generally have less protein, and long-term are not great 
food choices for them. There are also some plants that are poisonous at 
some stages, and those stages also are higher in tannins.(I hope I am 
getting this right--it's been a long time, and I am a social 
worker/techie type, not a biologist.)
In any case, if you don't have enough saliva, tannins can be 
overwhelming. That fits with What Sandy wrote below. There are 
prescription medications that can increase saliva production. If it is a 
chronic problem, it can wreak havoc with your dental health as well 
because you don't have enough saliva to get rid of cavity producing/gun 
destroying critters.
vicki
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11) From: Ken Mary
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If you still have any of your natural teeth left, dry mouth is a serious
condition that can lead to the loss of all your remaining teeth, even those
with crowns. Make sure you drink enough water and check with your doctor to
see if any meds can be safely reduced. This problem is solved easily enough
during the day when you can take saliva substitutes or add sialagogue herbs
and spices (ginger, black pepper, prickly ash bark) to your food. Nighttime
solutions are difficult, you should keep water at your bedside and take sips
if needed during waking periods. I have not done much research on meds
causing dry mouth. Sandy Andina has this well covered in her message with
words that even I cannot pronounce. My opinion is that some meds can cause
IRREVERSIBLE damage to the salivary glands.
Sorry to have to return to coffee  :-)  but I have never had the dry palate.
To me, a raspy dryness on the TONGUE is a first sign of staleness. Depending
on roast method, this may start at day 4 or 5. My popper roasts staled
quickly, usually days 4 to 5, but my drum roasts are fine beyond 10 days.
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12) From: Woody DeCasere
actually, non dry moputh related i find coffee that is a Boubon varietal to
have a dry mouthfeel to them, not a liongering afdter you drank the coffee,
but a taste while you are drinking it.
On 7/17/06, Ken Mary  wrote:
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"Good night, and Good Coffee"

13) From: Sandy Andina
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The sweetener xylitol, made from tree bark and available at some  
health stores and in some sugarless gums and hard candies, increases  
saliva production and has been shown to reduce tooth decay (probably  
by increasing saliva without the bacterial culture medium that sugar  
provides). Ask your dentist.  Another trick is to think about or  
expose yourself to the stimuli of foods you find appetizing (like  
walking past a bakery or donut shop)--your mouth will water. Just  
don't follow through and eat those Krispy Kremes or french fries!
On Jul 17, 2006, at 7:57 AM, Ken Mary wrote:
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Sandy
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The sweetener xylitol, made from =
tree bark and available at some health stores and in some sugarless gums =
and hard candies, increases saliva production and has been shown to =
reduce tooth decay (probably by increasing saliva without the bacterial =
culture medium that sugar provides). Ask your dentist.  Another trick =
is to think about or expose yourself to the stimuli of foods you find =
appetizing (like walking past a bakery or donut shop)--your mouth will =
water. Just don't follow through and eat those Krispy Kremes or french =
fries!
On Jul 17, 2006, at 7:57 AM, Ken Mary =
wrote:
From: "George = Miller"I am on some meds for   It could be that those meds = are thebasic underlying cause of it (I = do seem to have a bit of problems with drymouth at = night without drinking coffee). If you = still have any of your natural teeth left, dry mouth is a = seriouscondition that can lead to the = loss of all your remaining teeth, even thosewith crowns. Make sure you drink enough water and = check with your doctor tosee if any = meds can be safely reduced. This problem is solved easily = enoughduring the day when you can take = saliva substitutes or add sialagogue herbsand = spices (ginger, black pepper, prickly ash bark) to your food. = Nighttimesolutions are difficult, you = should keep water at your bedside and take sipsif needed during waking periods. I have not done = much research on medscausing dry mouth. Sandy = Andina has this well covered in her message withwords that even I cannot pronounce. My opinion is = that some meds can causeIRREVERSIBLE = damage to the salivary glands. Sorry to have to return to = coffee  :-)  but I have never had the dry = palate.To me, a raspy dryness on the = TONGUE is a first sign of staleness. Dependingon roast method, this may start at day 4 or 5. My = popper roasts staledquickly, usually days 4 to = 5, but my drum roasts are fine beyond 10 days.-- homeroast mailing listhttp://li=sts.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroastTo change your personal list settings (digest = options, vacations, unsvbscribes) go to http://=sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings = = --Apple-Mail-9-911512822--


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