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1) From: True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69)
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Hi all,
      All I can say WOW! You guys(and Gals) are a huge wealth of
knowledge and thank you all for your wonderful information. It almost
seem like too much info but as I am working my way through every line of
the digests I realize there is so much more I haven't even touched on
yet.  The next question I have that I'm guessing will start a lively
debate is...
      What are the thoughts between the SwissGold and the Aeropress?
Pro's and con's of each? 
Still drooling over the thought of a really great cup of coffee! 
Looking forward to meeting you Masterchief!

2) From: Derek Bradford
Glad you're enjoying the list.
I'll bite on the SwissGold, but I don't have an Aeropress.  I really
like my SwissGold (SG), and for the past few months I've used it on a
daily basis.  It's easy to clean, painless to use, and makes a great
cup of coffee--no paper filters to suck up essential oils, a fine
enough screen for people who don't like any kind of sludge, a great
cover to keep the brewing temperature relatively stable through the 4
minutes of brewing, and all for 10 bucks.  They seem to hold up well,
and several of my friends are using them now, too.  I think I've gone
through a solid 8 SGs since March (people come over, see, try, and
like it, and take it home with them.  I've just been ordering more as
I get more greens).  I really like the coffee it makes.
Cons?  I haven't really come up with anything serious yet.  I guess
that if you damage (scratch) the filter, exposing the metal beneath
the gold plating, you'll risk tainting the flavour of the cup, but
that's getting pretty picky.  I wish it didn't have so many
nearly-impossible to reach/clean ridges in the insert and lid.
Those are my two cents on the subject.
On 7/28/06, True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69)  wrote:
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3) From: Michael Wascher
Another small portable unit is a presspot/travel mug that I found in
Australia. It is plastic & steel rod construction, strong & well made. The
filter is also plastic, looks like nylon.
I can't remember who made it, I'm away from home, but I do remember it was
made in the UK.
On 7/28/06, True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69)  wrote:
"There is nothing new under the sun but there are lots of old things we
don't know." --  Ambrose Bierce

4) From: Steve Hay
I don't have a SG one-cup, although I do have a SG.  My thoughts are,
Here's the thing--all of these different methods brew the same essential
product.  Coffee.  The methods differ in extraction time, temperature, and
the amount of oils and solids allowed to pass through the filter (even if
the filter is gravity (turkish)).
Based on this, the SG is a great way to brew and offers a bit more control
over how much body your brewed result has.  It will also decrease stability
a bit.  A "cleaner" cup is achieved with a filter such as vac pot, chemex,
filter cone..
What's my point?  Well, if you are doing this stuff at HOME, I suggest
trying a bunch of cheap options before even going anywhere with espresso
unless you just have a burning desire to go there.  And I mean that; make
available to yourself a few different options.  For example; drip, FP, and
turkish.  There is just a lot of low hanging fruit in methods like turkish,
FP, SG, Aero, Chemex, VacPot, AutoDrip, Stovetop Espresso, etc. which are an
order of magnitude less costly than good espresso (time and money
If you are brewing on a BOAT, well then I think Aero is a clear-cut winner
based on its ease of use.  Also of note is the vendor's (erroneous?)
contention that brewing should be performed at a low 175F (170F? something
low).  You might even be able to get this out of a spigot.  Finding hot
enough water might be your biggest challenge.  You could also clean it
easily with a paper towel and a short rinse somewhere.  With any other
method, you're probably looking at too much trouble in a shipboard (well,
Navy shipboard) environment.
Good luck, and welcome home soon,
On 7/28/06, True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69)  wrote:
Steven Hay
hay.steve -AT- gmail.com
Barry Paradox: Consider k to be the greatest element of the set of natural
numbers whose description require maximum of 50 words: "(k+1) is a natural
number which requires more than 50 words to describe it."

5) From: Justin Marquez
On 7/28/06, True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69)  wrote:
I have one of each.  The Swiss Gold makes a bolder cup - closer to
French Press. It can get a bit of sludge in the cup when you use a
whirly blade grinder (as I do at the office where the SG lives). This
can be either a plus or a minus, depending on your tastes. I kinda
like it. The SG seems a bit more trouble than the aeropress, but not
much different actually in that respect. Maybe slighty messier to
clean up. SG requires water just off the boil and takes a little
longer, is a bit more trouble during the brew  - the bloom of the
grinds when first wet will sometimes stop the water flow all together
until attended to.
The Aeropress is less prone to stoppage, since the press forces the
water thru the grinds.  The Aeropress is super easy to clean up.  The
coffee passes thru a paper filter, which can be either good or bad,
again depending on your tastes.  The brewed coffee from the Aeropress
seems "smooth" to me, not bitter in the least and not quite as rich in
flavor and body as the SG brews.
I have them both.  I like them both. I use them both.
I use the Aeropress more often because:
  - It seems faster
  - It seems easier to clean up
  - It is a newer toy
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (Snyder, TX)

6) From: Lissa
I have both, I use both. I like variety.
The Swiss Gold makes the best basic cup of coffee around, in my opinion. 
The Aeropress makes a coffee extract, to which one then adds whatever 
amount of hot water one prefers. It makes a good cup of coffee also, but 
it is different.
If I were choosing one of the two, I'd take the Swiss Gold one cup. It 
is simpler.
Be well,
Are all librarians this much trouble?
The Mummy Returns, 2001.

7) From: Les
If you want to experience great coffee with simplicity, get a good
French Press.  Don't spend a lot of money at the front end on brewers.
 Spend you money on a good grinder.  If I were starting out new, I
would buy a  Rocky grinder and a French Press.  There are other good
mid-range grinders, but if you step up to espresso, you won't be
handicapped by the Rocky.  If you don't mind spending the extra bucks
I would go with a Mazzer Mini and you will never need to buy another
Burr replacement, yes, but the Mazzer will last a lifetime.
On 7/28/06, True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69)  wrote:

8) From: Michael Dhabolt
I'll underline Les's recommendations re: grinder, it will make the
most difference in the cup as compared to any brewing method.  And it
is necessary to getting the best quality cup from any brewing method.
IMHO having a vac pot (big - little, cheap - expensive, whatever) will
give you a standard against which you can compare other brewing
A stove top mokha pot will give you something that is in the direction
of espresso and is the first step away from regular brewed coffee.  In
my experience the mokha pot used correctly will provide a nectar that
is superior to what is served in the majority of espresso houses.
They are relatively inexpensive and will allow you to make an informed
decision about joining the 'Dark Side'.
But the grinder is step one.
Mike (just plain)

9) From: Steve Hay
Agreed about the importance of a grinder.  That said, you can go without it
for a while; not having one will not prevent you from making a darn good
cuppa.  That said, its a high priority.  I'd say after you get your feet wet
with a few brewing methods, a grinder should be first on the list of
equipment to get.  Absolutely get one before you buy any sort of espresso
machine. This is due to the fact that a whirly blade and other cheap-o
grinders will leave large and small chunks of coffee together which will
lead to different levels of extraction when brewing or in the worst case,
with espresso, channeling (fatal).
If you can't afford a Rocky, some people have had luck with a Solis Maestro
which is $100 cheaper.  On the other hand, if you can afford more than a
Rocky, I love my Mazzer.
On 7/28/06, Michael Dhabolt  wrote:
Steven Hay
hay.steve -AT- gmail.com
Barry Paradox: Consider k to be the greatest element of the set of natural
numbers whose description require maximum of 50 words: "(k+1) is a natural
number which requires more than 50 words to describe it."

10) From: Scott Marquardt
An Aeropress, brewing inverted with 5 micron (nominal) polyester felt
instead of paper, is an unbeatable brewing device. It has all the body of an
FP with none of the fines, and you can get all the oils you want. In fact,
for some coffees I find it produces too much oil, and I "revert" before
pressing too much inverted.
It's very hot in Chicago today, and I'm about to press a Metropolis Red Line
as an iced. In polyester, of course.   ;-)
- Scott "getting obsessive now" Marquardt
On 7/28/06, True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69)  wrote:

11) From: raymanowen
"...on a BOAT..."   SHIP!
On 7/28/06, Steve Hay  wrote:
"When the theme hits the bass, I dance the Jig!" - -Virgil Fox at the
Wichita WurliTzer

12) From: Steve Hay
Meant to say..   TARGET!
On 7/29/06, raymanowen  wrote:
Steven Hay
hay.steve -AT- gmail.com
Barry Paradox: Consider k to be the greatest element of the set of natural
numbers whose description require maximum of 50 words: "(k+1) is a natural
number which requires more than 50 words to describe it."

13) From: raymanowen
Get within radio detection and ranging distance of one of these TARGETS!,
and you will have ventured much too close to a nest of angry
HORNETS!They'll be coming for you, "just so you don't get lost."
I suspect these HORNETS! like their coffee too much to share-
On 7/29/06, Steve Hay  wrote:
"When the theme hits the bass, I dance the Jig!" - -Virgil Fox at the
Wichita WurliTzer

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