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Topic: Silvia, First Shot (8 msgs / 241 lines)
1) From: Steve Hay
Sumatra Classic Mandehling.  Double.  288
Had to get creative with the tamping for now (A thor is on the way).  First
impressions.  Its got crema, it tastes pretty darned good.  I think I
probably need to grind a bit finer/tamp down harder because it came out a
bit fast.  Turned on the switch and about 2 second later started to drip
black gold.  <10sec it was blonding so I turned it off.  Probably went a
little longer than I should have.
Still, I can definitely work with this and narrow down some good shots!
Exciting!
-- 
Steven Hay
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Barry Paradox: Consider k to be the greatest element of the set of natural
numbers whose description require maximum of 50 words: "(k+1) is a natural
number which requires more than 50 words to describe it."

2) From: Mike Chester
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I think you mean 228 at the boiler.  I usually ran it at 225-228 at the =
boiler which works out to about 202-204 at the grouphead.  You will need =
to experiment to find the optimal setting for each particular blend.  =
Tamp is very important with Sylvia.  Since the OPV is set at 8.7 bar =
now, you can tell really quick if the tamp is too hard.  With it stock, =
it would go up to ~14 bar and force the water through anyway.  I used a =
Thor (still do) and Les does a fine job on them.  I also have a =
commercial rosewood and stainless tamper that I never use any more.  The =
Thor just feels better in my hand and I feel like I have better control. =
 It is also a tighter fit in the portafilter which makes for a better =
tamp.  Les' tolerances in his handmade tampers are better than the =
machine made one.  Glad to hear that you are satisfied.  Take good care =
of her and she will take good care of you.  I ran her on softened and =
filtered water, so there should not be much scale in the boiler, but I =
would de-scale her around Sept.  Enjoy!!!
Mike Chester

3) From: miKe mcKoffee
288?! Must assume that's a typo and you meant 228 or you'd be pulling
shot about 260f!!! 
Yes, if shot pulling too fast, faster than atleast 20sec before blonding,
grind finer. Silvia also likes a bit of updose IMO. FWIW too high shot temp
will also cause faster pull and earlier blonding.
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	Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 10:59 AM
	
	Sumatra Classic Mandehling.  Double.  288
	
	Had to get creative with the tamping for now (A thor is on the way).
First impressions.  Its got crema, it tastes pretty darned good.  I think I
probably need to grind a bit finer/tamp down harder because it came out a
bit fast.  Turned on the switch and about 2 second later started to drip
black gold.  <10sec it was blonding so I turned it off.  Probably went a
little longer than I should have. 
	
	Still, I can definitely work with this and narrow down some good
shots!  Exciting!

4) From: Steve Hay
Both of you are right, I meant 228F, not 288F.   Agreed on the fineness of
the grind and dialing it down and of course the importance of the tamp.
Mike, I'll take good care of her and hopefully she can find a good home one
day if/when I ever upgrade.
Steve
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Steven Hay
hay.steve -AT- gmail.com
Barry Paradox: Consider k to be the greatest element of the set of natural
numbers whose description require maximum of 50 words: "(k+1) is a natural
number which requires more than 50 words to describe it."

5) From: Barry Luterman
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When I sold mine to Dave Nielson we held a formal adoption service.His =
wife changed her name and  I informed him he could not take her out of =
state for 6 months. Furthermore, someone would drop in his home =
unannounced for 6 months to check up on her. Enjoy you will love her.

6) From:
grerat choice for a start, wonderful coffee.
ginny
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7) From: Sandy Andina
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10 seconds to blonding is definitely too fast--if you're using  
freshly roasted beans, either the grind is too coarse, the tamp too  
light, channeling is happening (holes or unseen pathways in the  
tamped coffee where water seeks its path of least resistance and runs  
through or any or all of the above--and you need to vary your grind  
for ambient indoor humidity.  All Rockys are set differenly out of  
the box and definitely need to be dialed in to your particular  
machine, even a brandmate like a Silvia.  Ideally, you should have to  
wait 6-8 seconds after hitting the brew switch for the first drops to  
appear, and 23-38 seconds for blonding to occur (and then you should  
stop the shot immediately!).
On Jul 29, 2006, at 1:58 PM, Steve Hay wrote:
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Sandy Andina
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10 seconds to blonding is =
definitely too fast--if you're using freshly roasted beans, either the =
grind is too coarse, the tamp too light, channeling is happening (holes =
or unseen pathways in the tamped coffee where water seeks its path of =
least resistance and runs through or any or all of the above--and you =
need to vary your grind for ambient indoor humidity.  All Rockys are =
set differenly out of the box and definitely need to be dialed in to =
your particular machine, even a brandmate like a Silvia.  Ideally, you =
should have to wait 6-8 seconds after hitting the brew switch for the =
first drops to appear, and 23-38 seconds for blonding to occur (and then =
you should stop the shot immediately!).
On Jul 29, 2006, at =
1:58 PM, Steve Hay wrote:
Sumatra = Classic Mandehling.  Double.  288 Had to get creative = with the tamping for now (A thor is on the way).  First impressions.  = Its got crema, it tastes pretty darned good.  I think I probably need = to grind a bit finer/tamp down harder because it came out a bit fast.  = Turned on the switch and about 2 second later started to drip black = gold.  <10sec it was blonding so I turned it off.  Probably went = a little longer than I should have. Still, I can definitely work = with this and narrow down some good shots!  Exciting!
-- Steven Hay hay.steve -AT- gmail.com Barry Paradox: Consider k = to be the greatest element of the set of natural numbers whose = description require maximum of 50 words: "(k+1) is a natural number = which requires more than 50 words to describe = it." Sandy = Andinawww.sandyandina.com = --Apple-Mail-77--124525031--

8) From: Steve Hay
I think I hit a shot like this once yesterday and backed off because I
thought it might be a little too slow.  I'm dialing in as we speak, but I
won't have good control until I get a tamper.. Right now I am using a Pavoni
tamper on the Silvia, which is much too small.  Still, it gets me close and
the shots taste pretty darned good.
On 7/30/06, Sandy Andina  wrote:
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-- 
Steven Hay
hay.steve -AT- gmail.com
Barry Paradox: Consider k to be the greatest element of the set of natural
numbers whose description require maximum of 50 words: "(k+1) is a natural
number which requires more than 50 words to describe it."


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