When I had Miss Silvia ran descaler through the tank 'bout every 6 months. Very simple straight forward procedure. But moving to a direct connect HX machine descaling was a bit more intimidating so been putting it off. Been 8 months since I got the Bricoletta so figured it's more than time. No way want to wait for scaling problems to start and have to disassemble to descale! Piece of cake. See HX descaling how to on home-barista:http://www.home-barista.com/forums/viewtopic.php?tu1Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
Is there any info on how to de-scale a double boiler?
I was thinking of sending you the same article twice... On a double boiler system, aren't the boilers separate, and the process similar one to the other? Brett On 8/2/06, Barry Luterman wrote: <Snip> -- Regards, Brett Mason HomeRoast Zassman
The Brewtus also has a HX
<Snip> Not directly but logically seems you'd treat the brew boiler just like a single boiler machine and the steam boiler like an HX machine boiler. The PIA might be with Silvia after descaling I'd always run three full clean water tanks worth through, which equals about 18 times the boiler size. With the Brewtus's 1.5L brew boiler that would mean a 27L=7.13gallon.38tank post descaling flush! (unless the boilers have drain stopcocks on the bottom) Now for the steam boiler descaling... Steam boiler flush important but not as critical as brew boiler flush unless using the water for Americanos or tea etc. Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
Yes, but the Brewtus's HX is inline with the brew boiler tank and part of the same brew water path not a separate brew path unto itself like an HX machine. So the brew boiler HX pre-heater would be descaled by default the same time as the brew boiler. miKe <Snip>
I guess my question is: If the HX just connects to the two boilers. Then I would not have to disconnect the HX. Simply add the citric acid and just purge the system like on the Silvia. Or am I being too simplistic in my understanding of the mechanics involved in a 2 boiler HX machine?
I think that's what I am saying.That is just flush with a lot of clean water and don't bother disconnecting the HX. Also purge through steam wand and boiler wand. Right?
The Brewtus's brew boiler HX doesn't actually "connect" to the steam boiler water but rather is more like a water pipe running through the steam boiler... But yes, no disconnecting of the HX line to descale brew boiler, or steam boiler for that matter. But no, not quite just like Silvia. Steam boiler descaling different method, see previous post. miKe <Snip>
Here's another kicker. I don't recall if the hotwater wand is tied to the brew boiler or steam boiler. The steam wand is of cousre tied to the steam boiler and descaling the brew boiler would have zero effect on the steaming sub-system. Easiest maybe to think of the Brewtus as two entirely separate machines. One for brewing, one for steaming. Each has to be descaled and each using slightly different procedure. Maybe someone on the Brewtus forum has done a step by step "how to". I know I could descale the Brewtus no problem, but attempting to write a thorough how to without the actual machine would be nuts! miKe <Snip>
There is nothing on the group about it. But I do have the schematics.Unfortunately I am not an engineer. My idea of fixing a car when I hear a strange noise is to turn the radio up louder. Here are the schematics for the engineers among us. G-d bless.http://www.brewtusgroup.com/rt/fileroom?&layout=bg&top.title=&main.fileroot_id3&main.fileroot_name=documents&main.id133&main.ctrl=filemgr.detail&main.relative_path=%5CBrewtus+Manual&main.view=fileroom.detail&top.title=Brewtus+Operating+Manual+Version+1.6+first+final+proof
Barry, miKe is correct re: the brew boiler. The HX will be descaled in the process of brew boiler descale. You will probably find that descaling the brew boiler is easier than expected - - the brew boiler circuit is always full and there is a constant replacement of the water that is used when pulling a shot - - The particulates will settle out in the bottom and some crud will plate out in the boiler, HX and plumbing, so it does need periodic maintenance (descaling). If you make regular milk based drinks (I seem to remember you guys always starting the day with a cap) you will see the major crud/scale build-up in the steam boiler......the worst of it will be at the water level. Steam boilers build up brine (water with impurities left when the steam (pure water) is used and more ...and more...and more impure water is pumped in to refill the boiler). The water level in the steam boiler is at the level of the bottom of the auto-fill probe. Descaling the steam boiler will require disconnecting the auto-fill probe and filling the steam boiler untill you get flow out of the OPEN steam wand. I'm sure you are familiar with the basic process from your Silvia days. A good thread that miKe regularly recommends is at:http://www.home-barista.com/forums/viewtopic.php?tu1Jim Schulman makes some comments in the thread that are in addendum to his "Insanely Long Water Faq" that are germain to what you are getting ready for. After looking at the plumbing schematics of the Brute, and noodling a bit - - it looks to me like the same process as a regular HX machine is the correct procedure for you. The quantities of solution will be drastically different because, as miKe commented on, the Brew boiler (which is treated the same as the HX loop in a HX machine) is many orders of magnitude larger. The Steam boiler should be treated the same as the boiler in a HX machine. Mike (just plain)
OK I got it. One question.Where is the auto fill probe? Is it near my car radio?
Barry, When you press the right combination of buttons - you'll find all the radio stations that you don't like :~) There are a couple of pictures (of other machines) in the thread, Yours will look similar......only thing with a single wire going to it....top of steam boiler. Are you going to be able to make it next month? Mike (just plain)
That's the weekend my daughter is due to give birth. That means her mother will be visiting. Even being in Hawaii that's not enough distance between her mother and me. Will come see the new baby in Portland in about 6 mos.
<Snip> Yes, right by the CD FF button:-) Ok, looks like it's pg 7 #27. There should be a single electrical wire connected to it. Easy to verify. If wire disconnected steam boiler should fill ALL THE TIME the machine is turned on. I'd forgotten about the Brewtus boiler draining instructions for shipping procedure pg 24 of the manual. I'd incorporate that into descaling making it much much quicker and easier to flush the descaler from the boilers. Descale including letting it sit a few hours and do it's work. This includes backflushing the descaler a few times. I'd then drain boilers. Refill boilers will clear water. Repeat once more for the steam boiler, probably a third drain and fill for the brew boiler but maybe not and maybe a fourth! Easy to test if flushed enough. Draw some water from the group and cool in the fridge. Then taste it. If you use the steam boiler for Americanos or tea etc. make sure you test it's water too. Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
Got it come visit soon
Barry, <Snip> Comprende! Aw shucks! Mike (just plain)