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Topic: Chicago area roast-off: official announcement (39 msgs / 1574 lines)
1) From: Scott Marquardt
Announcing the first annual Open Sky Roast-off on Saturday, August 26, at
the North Riverside Farmer's Market just west of Chicago (map:http://snurl.com/sleg), between 8:00 am and 1:00 pm. This is a coming out
party for the Open Sky roaster -- a unique prototype designed for farmer's
market use.
Amateur coffee roasters are invited to bring their own greens to roast in
the machine (3 or 4 lb batches). Swap beans with other roasters, answer
questions from inquisitive coffee lovers, trade tips, make friends, and
enjoy several varieties of coffee (freshly brewed and free during the
event). You can bring your own rested roasts for brewing as well.
Rain or shine!
What to expect: This is a small farmer's market (no huge crowds), so think
of this as a roasting meet-up but with interested civilians on hand to learn
from you.   :-)
RSVP helpful, but not necessary.
-- 
Scott

2) From: Sandy Andina
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aw fooey--gonna be enroute to Marquette again!
On Aug 8, 2006, at 5:50 PM, Scott Marquardt wrote:
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Sandy Andina
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aw fooey--gonna be enroute to =
Marquette again!
On Aug 8, 2006, at 5:50 PM, Scott =
Marquardt wrote:

Announcing the first annual Open Sky Roast-off on = Saturday, August 26, at the North Riverside Farmer's Market just west of = Chicago (map: http://snurl.com/sleg= ), between 8:00 am and 1:00 pm. This is a coming out party for the Open = Sky roaster -- a unique prototype designed for farmer's market use. =

Amateur coffee roasters are invited to bring their own greens to = roast in the machine (3 or 4 lb batches). Swap beans with other = roasters, answer questions from inquisitive coffee lovers, trade tips, = make friends, and enjoy several varieties of coffee (freshly brewed and = free during the event). You can bring your own rested roasts for brewing = as well.

Rain or shine!

What to expect: This is a small = farmer's market (no huge crowds), so think of this as a roasting meet-up = but with interested civilians on hand to learn from you.   :-)

= RSVP helpful, but not necessary.   -- = Scott   Sandy = Andinawww.sandyandina.com = --Apple-Mail-39-682405446--

3) From: Andy Thomas
This sounds way cool! Wish I could go.
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4) From: Jim De Hoog
Scott,
What is this Open Sky roaster? Do you have pictures of of this unique prototype designed for farmer's market use.  Maybe I have been sleeping while you posted them previously.
 
Jim "Ice Bucket Roaster" De Hoog

5) From: Scott Marquardt
No pictures yet. Well, I've thrown up some teasers at coffeegeek, but
nothing that shows what makes the roaster unique and, IMO, darned nice.
Those will come out after the party.   :-)
It's a grill adaptation, lower on BTUs than I'd prefer for its fast-turning
10.5" x 20" drum. Drop to charge time is 15 seconds or so (continuous
roasting). It runs off the car battery all morning -- including the cooling
blower -- without needing to start the vehicle. A machinist friend and I
really busted our buns on it, and his skill shows in its fabrication. I owe
him endless hours of I.T. support as barter.   ;-)
I christened it the Open Sky roaster because I finally decided to call my
booth at the market Open Sky Coffees. I'm not a storefront retailer --
indeed, it's only reluctantly that I got my tax license and am doing this
properly at all. I'm out under the sky (well, a canopy anyway), so the name
seemed good.
- Scott
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6) From: Jim De Hoog
Scott, your description of the Open Sky roaster sounds great.  I am looking forward to seeing the pictures after the reveal party.
 
Jim "Ice Bucket Roaster" De Hoog
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From: Scott Marquardt 
To: homeroast
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2006 9:23:16 PM
Subject: Re: +Chicago area roast-off: official announcement
No pictures yet. Well, I've thrown up some teasers at coffeegeek, but nothing that shows what makes the roaster unique and, IMO, darned nice. Those will come out after the party.   :-)
 
It's a grill adaptation, lower on BTUs than I'd prefer for its fast-turning 10.5" x 20" drum. Drop to charge time is 15 seconds or so (continuous roasting). It runs off the car battery all morning -- including the cooling blower -- without needing to start the vehicle. A machinist friend and I really busted our buns on it, and his skill shows in its fabrication. I owe him endless hours of I.T. support as barter.   ;-)
 
I christened it the Open Sky roaster because I finally decided to call my booth at the market Open Sky Coffees. I'm not a storefront retailer -- indeed, it's only reluctantly that I got my tax license and am doing this properly at all. I'm out under the sky (well, a canopy anyway), so the name seemed good. 
 
- Scott
 
On 8/8/06, Jim De Hoog  wrote: 
Scott,
What is this Open Sky roaster? Do you have pictures of of this unique prototype designed for farmer's market use.  Maybe I have been sleeping while you posted them previously. 
 
Jim "Ice Bucket Roaster" De Hoog
 

7) From: raymanowen
Ach, du Lieber! Too much fun. My brother's a florist in Wheaton. It would be
an emotional roller coaster for me. The OSR sounds intriguing.
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
Where's the Coffee?

8) From: Lynne
Scott -
That's a cool name. I've been thinking about starting my own business 
myself (biscotti, & would love to learn wedding cakes - if I can get the 
instruction around here!). I'd recommend that you purchase the domain 
name (I went to Go Daddy, but there are others), if it's available.
This way, no one else grabs my name - and if my business went kerplunk, 
then I could see the domain name for a little profit (I have a website 
for that saved, somewhere in my bookmarks).
Good luck -
Lynne
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9) From: Scott Marquardt
Yeah, Mr. Netadmin here forgot about the basics.   ;-)
OK, I nailed openskycoffee.com and openskycoffees.com
Of course, that implicates actually hosting 'em and doing something with 'em
. . .
- Scott
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10) From: Vicki Smith
Even if you aren't ready for a website, you could find a host and use 
one or the other for Email.
v
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11) From: Scott Marquardt
OK, here's some teasers:http://scott.marquardt.googlepages.com/openskyroasterOn 8/8/06, Jim De Hoog  wrote:
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Scott

12) From: Peter Schmidt
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You are a teaser aren't you!  Looks very innovative and well done!  More =
pics!  More pics!

13) From: javafool
Terrific, I really like it. What a way to expose the coffee virgins to =
one
of the finer things in life. I hope they appreciate what you have to =
offer.
Terry

14) From: Lynne
Love the 'small batch'.
(says she as she looks at what's left of the 8 ounces of Bolivia Organic 
she roasted at 1:30 am last night this morning...)
Looks terrific!
Lynne
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15) From: Jim De Hoog
Scott,
 
The Open Sky Roaster looks interesting from the outside.  Looking forward to seeing the insides of it.
 
Jim "Ice Bucket Roaster" De Hoog
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From: Scott Marquardt 
To: homeroast
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 4:03:12 PM
Subject: Re: +Chicago area roast-off: official announcement
OK, here's some teasers:
 http://scott.marquardt.googlepages.com/openskyroaster
On 8/8/06, Jim De Hoog  wrote: 
Scott,
What is this Open Sky roaster? Do you have pictures of of this unique prototype designed for farmer's market use.  Maybe I have been sleeping while you posted them previously. 
 
Jim "Ice Bucket Roaster" De Hoog
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16) From: Sandy Andina
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Change in plans--not going up to Marquette on the 26th, so I'll be  
able to come! Woo-hoo!
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Change in plans--not going up to =
Marquette on the 26th, so I'll be able to come! Woo-hoo!
On =
Aug 12, 2006, at 4:38 PM, Lynne wrote:
Love the 'small batch'. (says she as = she looks at what's left of the 8 ounces of Bolivia Organic she roasted = at 1:30 am last night this morning...) Looks = terrific! Lynne Peter Schmidt wrote: *You are a teaser aren't = you!  Looks very = innovative and well done!  = More pics!  More = pics!*     =

17) From: Scott Marquardt
It'll be good to have you!
BTW, we sometimes have a musician or two who jams at the market. Not sure
which talent might be there for the roast-off, but anyone who wishes could
bring an instrument in case something informal gets going.
- Scott
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Scott

18) From: Sandy Andina
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I'll bring the guitar and dulcimer.
  BTW, the SASS! Trio (Susan Urban, Kate Early and myself) will be  
the official buskers at the Downers Grove Farmers' Market next Sat.  
morning, Aug. 19, from 8-11 am. I don't think there are any coffee  
roasters represented there.
  The next night, Sun, Aug. 20, we will be playing a TOTALLY FREE  
concert (not even a tip jar, no tipping allowed, we're getting paid a  
relatively obscene amount of money) from 7-9 pm at Ravenswood Manor  
Park,  N. Manor at W. Eastwood (adj. to the CTA's Rockwell sta. on  
the Brown Line). We're sharing the bill with the marvelous and even  
wackier Lou & Peter Berryman of Madison, WI--alternating two half  
hour sets per act, with a closing round robin if time and weather  
permit.  Lou & Peter have a national reputation, and have been Grammy- 
nominated in both the children's and traditional folk categories, but  
their kids' humor songs are more in the vein of cartoons like Rocky &  
Bullwinkle or the WW II-era Looney Tunes, which even more enjoyable  
for grownups.  BYO seating (though there are some park benches) and  
refreshments (though there is a lovely little espresso bar next door  
serving Intelligentsia as well as neat munchies).
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I'll bring the guitar and =
dulcimer. 
 BTW, = the SASS! Trio (Susan Urban, Kate Early and myself) will be the official = buskers at the Downers Grove Farmers' Market next Sat. morning, Aug. 19, = from 8-11 am. I don't think there are any coffee roasters represented = there. 
 Th= e next night, Sun, Aug. 20, we will be playing a TOTALLY FREE concert = (not even a tip jar, no tipping allowed, we're getting paid a relatively = obscene amount of money) from 7-9 pm at Ravenswood Manor Park,  N. = Manor at W. Eastwood (adj. to the CTA's Rockwell sta. on the Brown = Line). We're sharing the bill with the marvelous and even wackier Lou = & Peter Berryman of Madison, WI--alternating two half hour sets per = act, with a closing round robin if time and weather permit.  Lou & = Peter have a national reputation, and have been Grammy-nominated in both = the children's and traditional folk categories, but their kids' humor = songs are more in the vein of cartoons like Rocky & Bullwinkle or = the WW II-era Looney Tunes, which even more enjoyable for grownups.  = BYO seating (though there are some park benches) and refreshments = (though there is a lovely little espresso bar next door serving = Intelligentsia as well as neat munchies). On Aug 13, 2006, = at 10:11 AM, Scott Marquardt wrote:
It'll = be good to have you!   BTW, we sometimes have a = musician or two who jams at the market. Not sure which talent might be = there for the roast-off, but anyone who wishes could bring an instrument = in case something informal gets going.   - = Scott   On 8/13/06, Sandy Andina <sandraandina> = wrote: Change in plans--not going up to = Marquette on the 26th, so I'll be able to come! Woo-hoo! = On = Aug 12, 2006, at 4:38 PM, Lynne wrote: Love the 'small batch'. =   (says she as she looks at what's left of the 8 = ounces of Bolivia Organic she roasted at 1:30 am last night this = morning...)   Looks terrific!   Lynne     Peter Schmidt wrote: = *You are a teaser = aren't you!  Looks very innovative and well done!  = More pics!  More pics!*       ----- Original Message = -----     *From:* = Scott Marquardt <mailto:scott.marquardt >     *To:* homeroast     <mailto:homeroast> =     *Sent:* Saturday, August = 12, 2006 4:03 PM     = *Subject:* Re: +Chicago area roast-off: official = announcement       OK, = here's some teasers:       =   http://scott.marquardt.googlepages.com/openskyroaster=         =   On 8/8/06, *Jim De Hoog* <jdehoog     <mailto:jdehoog>> wrote: =           Scott,         What is this Open Sky = roaster? Do you have pictures of of this         unique prototype designed for farmer's = market use.  Maybe I         have been sleeping while you posted = them previously.         =         Jim "Ice Bucket Roaster" De Hoog               =                 = --      = Scott     homeroast mailing list http://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast<=/A> To change your personal list = settings (digest options, vacations, unsvbscribes) go to =http://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings Sandy = www.sandyandina.com  
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19) From: David Schooley
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Scott,
I am going to try to make this, sort of a last hurrah before storm  
duty the following two weekends. Anyway, is 3 lb a firm limit, or  
will 2 lb batches work? I do not currently have more than two pounds  
of any single coffee, so I may order 5 lbs of something and do 3 or 4  
lbs on the 26th.
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Scott,
I am going to try to make = this, sort of a last hurrah before storm duty the following two = weekends. Anyway, is 3 lb a firm limit, or will 2 lb batches work? I do = not currently have more than two pounds of any single coffee, so I may = order 5 lbs of something and do 3 or 4 lbs on the = 26th.  On Aug 8, 2006, at 4:50 PM, Scott Marquardt = wrote:

Announcing the first annual Open Sky Roast-off on = Saturday, August 26, at the North Riverside Farmer's Market just west of = Chicago (map: http://snurl.com/sleg= ), between 8:00 am and 1:00 pm. This is a coming out party for the Open = Sky roaster -- a unique prototype designed for farmer's market use. =

Amateur coffee roasters are invited to bring their own greens to = roast in the machine (3 or 4 lb batches). Swap beans with other = roasters, answer questions from inquisitive coffee lovers, trade tips, = make friends, and enjoy several varieties of coffee (freshly brewed and = free during the event). You can bring your own rested roasts for brewing = as well.

Rain or shine!

What to expect: This is a small = farmer's market (no huge crowds), so think of this as a roasting meet-up = but with interested civilians on hand to learn from you.   :-)

= RSVP helpful, but not necessary.   -- = Scott   = --Apple-Mail-2--1043963996--

20) From: Brian Kamnetz
In the 1980s I used to go hear Pete and Lou at the Posh Club du Wash
in Madison. I haven't heard their kids music but they were very
entertaining
(e.g., to "La Cuckaracha",
"If you're moving to Wisconsin,
and your wife is on the wagon
I think it's only fair to warn her
They got a bar on every corner")
and I'm happy to hear they are still making the rounds.
Brian
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21) From: Paul Goelz
At 04:39 PM 8/13/2006, you wrote:
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"official buskers"........ isn't that an oxymoron?
Seriously, say HI to Susan and Kate for me, OK?
Paul
Paul Goelz
Rochester Hills, MI
paul at pgoelz dot comhttp://www.pgoelz.com

22) From: Scott Marquardt
You rock!
Dulcimer!
Look, I'm a married man, so trying to get me to fall in love with you just
won't work.   ;-)
I'll tell my man Greg -- a fun guitarist -- that if he shows up, he'll have
some very fine company.
Thank you for offering your talent to what I believe will be a fun day.
We're a small market, but we do have fun.
If anyone is brave enough to be there before 9:00, that's likely to be when
the bulk of market patrons are on hand, who may be curious to interact with
roasting folk. Later it quiets down a bit, customer-wise, so by late morning
there'd be more amateur roasters on hand.
There are several confirmations for CoffeeGeek as well, so the turnout
should be good. If you know anyone in Chicago, folks, let 'em know!
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23) From: Scott Marquardt
Confirmed that a 2 lb batch will work fine. However, my "2 pound" batch is
actually 2 lb 7 oz., because I sell whole bean and that quantity actually
gets me 2 pounds. If you want to try 2 lbs., you're welcome to try. I'm just
not sure of my TC penetration on that.
I'll tell you what, I'll try 1.5 pounds this next weekend, so when you come
I'll be able to better inform you. I'll also add, though, that temperature
regulation of these blasted grill burner valves is frustrating. My machinist
does a lot of very small gear work; I'd like to tackle PID profiling and
create a marketable grill roaster control system in the next year. We'll see
if he has the stomach for that many late nights; working on the Open Sky
roaster involved a lot of late hours so I don't doubt he's good for it.  ;-)
- Scott
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24) From: Sandy Andina
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One would think, no?  But in this day and age where few venues pay  
outright, one must be officially booked for the right to play for  
just tips!  (And some clubs require you to have a significant draw in  
order to play for tips--and in one such case (I won't divulge the  
name, but their initials are Uncommon Ground), require you pay the  
sound person the first $10 per set of your tips! Their rationale is  
that acts with lesser draw cost them money in lost drink and food sales.
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One would think, no?  But in =
this day and age where few venues pay outright, one must be officially =
booked for the right to play for just tips!  (And some clubs require =
you to have a significant draw in order to play for tips--and in one =
such case (I won't divulge the name, but their initials are Uncommon =
Ground<g>), require you pay the sound person the first $10 per set =
of your tips! Their rationale is that acts with lesser draw cost them =
money in lost drink and food sales.
On Aug 13, 2006, at =
7:41 PM, Paul Goelz wrote:

"official buskers"........ = isn't that an oxymoron?

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25) From: Sandy Andina
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If that's Greg Steele, we've played and sung together many times!
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If that's Greg Steele, we've =
played and sung together many times!
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9:12 PM, Scott Marquardt wrote:
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26) From: Scott Marquardt
No, a different Greg. He specializes in childrens' gigs -- but that's 'cause
of a fun, spry personality that keeps adults smiling as well.
So bring Greg Steele as well.     ;-)
Heck, bring anyone who loves coffee.
- Scott
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27) From: Justin Marquez
On 8/13/06, Sandy Andina  wrote:
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They think having an act with a "lesser draw" is worse that having
nothing at all...?
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (Snyder, TX)

28) From: Michael Wade
Sandy,
So the sound person works for shared tips, like a buss person?  Who owns the 
system?
Michael Wade
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29) From: Sandy Andina
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Sadly, there is a vast oversupply of artists in Chicago willing to  
play for tips, so "nothing at all" is not a possibillity.
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Sadly, there is a vast =
oversupply of artists in Chicago willing to play for tips, so "nothing =
at all" is not a possibillity.
On Aug 14, 2006, at 8:55 AM, =
Justin Marquez wrote:
On 8/13/06, Sandy Andina <sandraandina> = wrote: One would think, no?  But in this day and age where = few venues pay outright,one must be = officially booked for the right to play for just tips!  (Andsome clubs require you to have a significant draw in = order to play fortips--and in one such case (I = won't divulge the name, but their initials areUncommon Ground<g>), require you pay the sound = person the first $10 per setof your tips! = Their rationale is that acts with lesser draw cost them moneyin lost drink and food sales. They = think having an act with a "lesser draw" is worse that havingnothing at all...? Safe Journeys = and Sweet MusicJustin Marquez (Snyder, = TX)homeroast mailing listhttp://li=sts.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroastTo change your personal list settings (digest = options, vacations, unsvbscribes) go to http://=sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings = = --Apple-Mail-32--966266730--

30) From: Sandy Andina
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The venue owns the system--an 8-ch Mackie powered mixer and a CD  
burner (they charge you $10 to burn a copy of the recording of your  
set) inside a locked cabinet;  there are also mics and stands, DIs,  
two mains and a monitor.  Not exactly a complicated system.  Used to  
be that the sound person was paid $25 plus a free dinner by the  
venue, and got the first $20 out of the total tip jar take for the  
evening. (They usually book three acts per night). But several  
artists with bigger draws complained that the less popular acts were  
taking advantage of them, and the club felt that making every act  
kick in an equal amount would encourage acts to attempt to draw  
better (and also enable them to cut the house's pay to the sound  
person to $20, which still constituted a $5 raise for her/him).   If  
you don't get $10 in tips (and on a weeknight, none but the most  
popular acts--or those with large numbers of adoring friends/ 
relatives/co-workers/subordinates--do) you have to make up the  
difference out of your own pocket. Of course, getting a 50% discount  
on food and most drinks (free plain coffee or tea, oh boy) is  
supposed to ease the sting.  Lately, some of my friends with decent  
draws have been told that their fans don't eat or drink expensively  
enough and therefore they won't be booked again!
The club's rationale is that they have to pay ASCAP and BMI and get a  
city cabaret license, as well as pay waitstaff to service the music  
room.   Only the more famous national touring acts get the luxury of  
charging a cover and thus freeing themselves from having to grovel  
for tips.  The tip jar is a champagne bucket that gets passed around  
the room during each set, and it is darned embarrassing to have to  
shill for it--not to mention embarrassing for audience members who  
can't kick in even a buck or two.  As a result, it is not unusual for  
audiences to either time their arrival for the beginning of their  
favorite performer's set and/or clear out after their favorite  
performer's set and move into the bar, to avoid having to tip the  
other acts. It is truly discouraging for a performer to watch that  
exodus, or to play for an empty room and then see the crowds move in  
for subsequent acts (and in some cases, their own fans who didn't  
know the exact start time--or did, but the venue made a last minute  
time-slot switcheroo).  The club tries to minimize that by suggesting  
the acts publicize the start time for the evening rather than their  
own start time, so that fans don't delay their arrival, but few of  
the artists do that--the scene is getting more and more competitive.
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Sandy
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The venue owns the system--an =
8-ch Mackie powered mixer and a CD burner (they charge you $10 to burn a =
copy of the recording of your set) inside a locked cabinet;  there are =
also mics and stands, DIs, two mains and a monitor.  Not exactly a =
complicated system.  Used to be that the sound person was paid $25 =
plus a free dinner by the venue, and got the first $20 out of the total =
tip jar take for the evening. (They usually book three acts per night). =
But several artists with bigger draws complained that the less popular =
acts were taking advantage of them, and the club felt that making every =
act kick in an equal amount would encourage acts to attempt to draw =
better (and also enable them to cut the house's pay to the sound person =
to $20, which still constituted a $5 raise for her/him).   If you =
don't get $10 in tips (and on a weeknight, none but the most popular =
acts--or those with large numbers of adoring =
friends/relatives/co-workers/subordinates--do) you have to make up the =
difference out of your own pocket. Of course, getting a 50% discount on =
food and most drinks (free plain coffee or tea, oh boy) is supposed to =
ease the sting.  Lately, some of my friends with decent draws have =
been told that their fans don't eat or drink expensively enough and =
therefore they won't be booked again!
The club's rationale is = that they have to pay ASCAP and BMI and get a city cabaret license, as = well as pay waitstaff to service the music room.   Only the more = famous national touring acts get the luxury of charging a cover and thus = freeing themselves from having to grovel for tips.  The tip jar is a = champagne bucket that gets passed around the room during each set, and = it is darned embarrassing to have to shill for it--not to mention = embarrassing for audience members who can't kick in even a buck or two. = As a result, it is not unusual for audiences to either time their = arrival for the beginning of their favorite performer's set and/or clear = out after their favorite performer's set and move into the bar, to avoid = having to tip the other acts. It is truly discouraging for a performer = to watch that exodus, or to play for an empty room and then see the = crowds move in for subsequent acts (and in some cases, their own fans = who didn't know the exact start time--or did, but the venue made a last = minute time-slot switcheroo).  The club tries to minimize that by = suggesting the acts publicize the start time for the evening rather than = their own start time, so that fans don't delay their arrival, but few of = the artists do that--the scene is getting more and more = competitive.   On Aug 14, 2006, at 9:24 AM, Michael = Wade wrote:
Sandy, So the = sound person works for shared tips, like a buss person?  Who owns the = system? Michael Wade = On 8/13/06, Sandy Andina = <sandraandina> = wrote: One would think, no?  But in this day and age where = few venues pay outright,one must be = officially booked for the right to play for just tips!  (Andsome clubs require you to have a significant draw in = order to play fortips--and in one such case (I = won't divulge the name, but their initials areUncommon Ground<g>), require you pay the sound = person the first $10 per setof your tips! = Their rationale is that acts with lesser draw cost them moneyin lost drink and food sales. = homeroast mailing listhttp://li=sts.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroastTo change your personal list settings (digest = options, vacations, unsvbscribes) go to http://=sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings = = = --Apple-Mail-33--964775200--

31) From: Brett Mason
Ya know, the guy who saws his pretty assistant in half never has a hard time
with the draw...  Just doesn't seem fair.
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32) From: Justin Marquez
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   I think that's why it is so hard to be a full-time musician.
There are soooooo many people who do play, albeit with mediocrity,
that it makes it difficult for the really good ones. You would think
that real genuis would stand out in the crowd of mediocrity, but
sometimes it just makes it difficult for genius to get to the stage!
  Think about how many people you know who really are good, but don't
have a ghost of a chance of making a living at it.  Hence the old
saying : "Real musicians have a day job."
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (Snyder, TX)

33) From: Michael Wascher
I used to work with an engineer who started college at Julliard. After a
couple years he noticed that some outstanding musicians were making a living
on street corners. He became an engineer, codes for a living and has better
musical toys tan he'd be able to afford if he stayed a musician.
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don't know." --  Ambrose Bierce

34) From: Justin Marquez
On 8/14/06, Michael Wascher  wrote:
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See... he is a musician... with a day-job!  (I'm not all that much of
a musician, but I am an engineer in my day-job.)
I know some really fine musicians who are making a living at it, but
they stay on the road about 48 weekends out of the year and play all
sorts of scheduling games to allow them to make 3 smallish gigs on a
single weekend and maybe only drive 500 miles after getting off the
plane somewhere.
As some sage once put it: "Music - it's the hardest way to make an easy living!"
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (Snyder, TX)

35) From: Sandy Andina
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Q. How do you make a small fortune in folk music?
A. Start with a large fortune.
I'm lucky to be near retirement age with a husband who makes a decent  
living and a boss who lets me telecommute and work part-time.  It is  
possible to make a living strictly as a musician, but the fact is  
that to do so you usually have to make some compromises--like cover- 
tune gigs, taking on students, etc. And there is a substantial,  
egotistical cohort of singer-songwriters who believe they were put on  
this earth solely to bring their songs to the world and would thus  
rather type or drive cabs for a living than play songs that someone  
else wrote. I know more than a few of 'em.  But even icons like Ed  
Trickett (a non-writer, of the Golden Ring--a group also including  
Gordon Bok and Ann Mayo Muir which was huge in the 1960s) and Anne  
Hills have gone back to school for graduate degrees that have given  
them advanced non-musical careers, not mere day jobs (Hills recently  
got her MSW and Trickett is a Clinical Psych. professor at a medical  
school).  Many more earn their livings in the I.T. field.
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Sandy
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Q. How do you make a small =
fortune in folk music?A. Start with a large fortune.
I'm lucky to be near = retirement age with a husband who makes a decent living and a boss who = lets me telecommute and work part-time.  It is possible to make a = living strictly as a musician, but the fact is that to do so you usually = have to make some compromises--like cover-tune gigs, taking on students, = etc. And there is a substantial, egotistical cohort of = singer-songwriters who believe they were put on this earth solely to = bring their songs to the world and would thus rather type or drive cabs = for a living than play songs that someone else wrote. I know more than a = few of 'em.  But even icons like Ed Trickett (a non-writer, of the = Golden Ring--a group also including Gordon Bok and Ann Mayo Muir which = was huge in the 1960s) and Anne Hills have gone back to school for = graduate degrees that have given them advanced non-musical careers, not = mere day jobs (Hills recently got her MSW and Trickett is a Clinical = Psych. professor at a medical school).  Many more earn their livings = in the I.T. field. On Aug 14, 2006, at 8:45 PM, Justin = Marquez wrote:
On 8/14/06, Michael Wascher = <wascher> = wrote: I used to = work with an engineer who started college at Julliard. After acouple years he noticed that some outstanding = musicians were making a livingon street = corners. He became an engineer, codes for a living and has = bettermusical toys tan he'd be able to = afford if he stayed a musician. See... = he is a musician... with a day-job! = (I'm not all that much ofa musician, = but I am an engineer in my day-job.) I know some really fine = musicians who are making a living at it, butthey stay on the road about 48 weekends out of the = year and play allsorts of scheduling games to = allow them to make 3 smallish gigs on asingle = weekend and maybe only drive 500 miles after getting off theplane somewhere. As some sage once put it: "Music = - it's the hardest way to make an easy living!" Safe = Journeys and Sweet MusicJustin = Marquez (Snyder, TX)homeroast mailing listhttp://li=sts.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroastTo change your personal list settings (digest = options, vacations, unsvbscribes) go to http://=sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings = = = --Apple-Mail-43--938848838--

36) From: Michael Wascher
There seems to be a strong link between engineering & music, with musicians
strongly attracted to software engineering. I've seen studies that indicate
a strong correlation between music & mathematical ability.
Sadly, I seem to be lacking. I blame my maternal grandfather for using up
generations worth of musical talent. He was a career officer in the German
army, led the band for the 69th. He could play every instrument in the band,
and more. Spent the last days of his life in a rocking chair smoking his
pipe (long pipe, with ceramic bowl & stem), so arthritic that all he could
do is gently strum his guitar, and still ramrod straight.
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don't know." --  Ambrose Bierce

37) From: David Schooley
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You probably shouldn't risk good beans on my account. I am going to  
order 5 lbs from Sweet Maria's and then have you roast 3 or 4 lbs on  
the 26th, depending on how much I think I can give away to friends  
and coworkers.
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You probably shouldn't risk = good beans on my account. I am going to order 5 lbs from Sweet Maria's = and then have you roast 3 or 4 lbs on the 26th, depending on how much I = think I can give away to friends and coworkers.  On = Aug 13, 2006, at 9:15 PM, Scott Marquardt wrote:
Confirmed that a 2 lb batch will work fine. However, = my "2 pound" batch is actually 2 lb 7 oz., because I sell whole bean and = that quantity actually gets me 2 pounds. If you want to try 2 lbs., = you're welcome to try. I'm just not sure of my TC penetration on that. =   I'll tell you what, I'll try 1.5 pounds this = next weekend, so when you come I'll be able to better inform you. I'll = also add, though, that temperature regulation of these blasted grill = burner valves is frustrating. My machinist does a lot of very small gear = work; I'd like to tackle PID profiling and create a marketable grill = roaster control system in the next year. We'll see if he has the stomach = for that many late nights; working on the Open Sky roaster involved a = lot of late hours so I don't doubt he's good for it.  ;-) =   - Scott   On 8/13/06, David = Schooley <dcschooley> = wrote: Scott,   = I am going to try to make this, sort of a last hurrah before storm = duty the following two weekends. Anyway, is 3 lb a firm limit, or will 2 = lb batches work? I do not currently have more than two pounds of any = single coffee, so I may order 5 lbs of something and do 3 or 4 lbs on = the 26th.  On Aug = 8, 2006, at 4:50 PM, Scott Marquardt wrote: =

Announcing the first annual Open Sky Roast-off on = Saturday, August 26, at the North Riverside Farmer's Market just west of = Chicago (map: http://snurl.com/sleg), between 8:00 am and 1:00 = pm. This is a coming out party for the Open Sky roaster -- a unique = prototype designed for farmer's market use.

Amateur coffee = roasters are invited to bring their own greens to roast in the machine = (3 or 4 lb batches). Swap beans with other roasters, answer questions = from inquisitive coffee lovers, trade tips, make friends, and enjoy = several varieties of coffee (freshly brewed and free during the event). = You can bring your own rested roasts for brewing as well.

Rain or = shine!

What to expect: This is a small farmer's market (no huge = crowds), so think of this as a roasting meet-up but with interested = civilians on hand to learn from you.   :-)

RSVP helpful, = but not necessary.   -- = Scott   =  
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38) From: Scott Marquardt
Now remember, you don't HAVE to bring beans to attend. I probably shouldn't
make a point of saying that, but I'd rather have coffee lovers in attendance
with nothing, than having folks feel like it'd be a faux pas to show up
without greens!
Depending on who's there with what, you might go home with a variety after
some swapping.
- Scott
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Scott

39) From: Sandy Andina
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I spread the word to friends, and mentioned it today when I played  
the Downers Grove Farmers Market as part of the SASS! Trio (the other  
members of which will be unavailable next week).  This should be a gas!
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I spread the word to friends, =
and mentioned it today when I played the Downers Grove Farmers Market as =
part of the SASS! Trio (the other members of which will be unavailable =
next week).  This should be a gas!
On Aug 13, 2006, at =
9:12 PM, Scott Marquardt wrote:
You = rock!   Dulcimer!   = Look, I'm a married man, so trying to get me to fall in love with = you just won't work.   ;-)   I'll tell my = man Greg -- a fun guitarist -- that if he shows up, he'll have some very = fine company.   Thank you for offering your = talent to what I believe will be a fun day. We're a small market, but we = do have fun.   If anyone is brave enough to be = there before 9:00, that's likely to be when the bulk of market patrons = are on hand, who may be curious to interact with roasting folk. Later it = quiets down a bit, customer-wise, so by late morning there'd be more = amateur roasters on hand.   There are several = confirmations for CoffeeGeek as well, so the turnout should be good. If = you know anyone in Chicago, folks, let 'em know!   = On 8/13/06, Sandy Andina <sandraandina> = wrote: I'll bring the guitar and dulcimer.  = = --Apple-Mail-95--504219391--


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