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Topic: Heat gun/Doggie Bowl - Target Double-Wall Bowls (22 msgs / 569 lines)
1) From: Michael Wade
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I've just been gearing up for HG/DB and was cruising for bowls and mesh =
strainers that would fit together well.  I picked up a set of the =
double-wall bowls from Target and tried one yesterday.   They have a =
foam rubber pad on the bottom that I figured would melt and make a mess, =
so I removed it first.  Though the bowl has a relatively small flat base =
it is heavy enough not to rock around much while stirring a small batch. =
 
I tried roasting the beans in the bare bowl, and also with the beans in =
a mesh strainer suspended in the bowl.  Even with the double wall =
construction it seemed to take a lot more heat and time to roast the =
beans in direct contact with the bowl. (and the outside still gets too =
hot to handle without mitts!)   Maybe just a time differential, but I've =
gotten used to the faster and, I think, more even roast I get when the =
beans are suspended in a mesh strainer so that the heat can surround =
them.
I can't speak to how the double wall bowls would compare to single wall =
when roasting on the bowl surface.  If you're using a mesh strainer, =
there doesn't seem to be much advantage to the double wall.  Personally, =
I'm still looking for a tip-proof (wide skirted base) stainless dog bowl =
with fairly deep/narrow proportions.  There's a jumbo "Bowl Buddy" at =
Petco that seemed too big in the store, but now that I've done a few =
roasts, maybe not.
Michael

2) From: miKe mcKoffee
Interesting and it makes seems to make sense logically. When using the mesh
container inside the bowl the heated air would partially pass through the
beans AND the mesh and likely be deflected back towards a wider portion of
the beans than not using the mesh. 
For cooling the mesh container could be moved directly on top a fan with
appropriately sized holder rigged. 
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
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	I've just been gearing up for HG/DB and was cruising for bowls and
mesh strainers that would fit together well.  I picked up a set of the
double-wall bowls from Target and tried one yesterday.   They have a foam
rubber pad on the bottom that I figured would melt and make a mess, so I
removed it first.  Though the bowl has a relatively small flat base it is
heavy enough not to rock around much while stirring a small batch.  
	 
	I tried roasting the beans in the bare bowl, and also with the beans
in a mesh strainer suspended in the bowl.  Even with the double wall
construction it seemed to take a lot more heat and time to roast the beans
in direct contact with the bowl. (and the outside still gets too hot to
handle without mitts!)   Maybe just a time differential, but I've gotten
used to the faster and, I think, more even roast I get when the beans are
suspended in a mesh strainer so that the heat can surround them.
	 
	I can't speak to how the double wall bowls would compare to single
wall when roasting on the bowl surface.  If you're using a mesh strainer,
there doesn't seem to be much advantage to the double wall.  Personally, I'm
still looking for a tip-proof (wide skirted base) stainless dog bowl with
fairly deep/narrow proportions.  There's a jumbo "Bowl Buddy" at Petco that
seemed too big in the store, but now that I've done a few roasts, maybe not.
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	Michael

3) From: Michael Wade
MiKe,
Credit for the idea of roasting in a mesh strainer inside the dog bowl (at 
least where I learned of it) goes to Zara Haimo, hostess extraordinaire of 
the recent Bay Area Gathering...  I read a couple other references to the 
idea in the last few days on the list.
A large mesh strainer with a long handle and two "ears" is available from 
WalMart that fits the largest of the Target double-wall bowls rather nicely. 
I like being able to just grab the strainer handle without a mitt to move 
the beans to the cooling process.

4) From: Justin Marquez
On 8/12/06, Michael Wade  wrote:
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I have been roasting with HG in a mesh strainer (from Walmart, as you
describe) for just about 2 years.  I use a SS salad bowl that the
strainer fits into just right to allow the strainer to be
self-supported during the roast.  I like the handle on the strainer
allowing for easy pouring of the roasted coffee back and forth for
cooling. I pour it back and forth between a "loaf pan" and the
strainer.
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (Snyder, TX)

5) From: Brian Kamnetz
On 8/12/06, Michael Wade  wrote:
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Just recently I was out shopping for a smaller bowl/strainer combo, at
Target and Walmart. I bought a strainer like the one you describe. I
want to be able to roast 1/3 to 1/2 pound at a time, so an advantage
for me (I hope - haven't used it yet) of the mesh strainer with the
handle is that the bottom of my strainer is pointy, meaning that I can
roast a smaller bean mass but still have the beans relatively deep.
I think I saw the bowls recently described here; at Target I saw some
OXO stainless steel bowls with rubber on the bottom. Is this the one?
My new mesh strainer fits very nicely into the lightweight stainless
steel mixing bowl I bought at Target a couple years ago; they still
stock them for about half the price of the OXO bowls, though, again,
they are much lighter.
Brian

6) From: Gerald and Beth Newsom
Am I the only heat gunner who doesn't use a wire mesh strainer for roasting?
I'm beginning to feel a little out-of-step here.  :-)
I don't remember seeing the rubber bottom on those double-walled bowls I saw
in the Kitchen section of Target.  I may just have overlooked that little
detail, though.
Gerald

7) From: Brian Kamnetz
On 8/12/06, Gerald and Beth Newsom  wrote:
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Gerald,
Someone recently talked about removing the rubber from the bottom of
stainless steel bowl, and I must be confusing comments from two
people. Sorry for the confusion. There would be no missing the rubber
on the OXO bowls; there was a lot of it.
Brian

8) From: an iconoclast
On 8/12/06, Michael Wade  wrote:
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This is the equipment I use.  Tom doesn't sell any of it, so gave direct links.
Here is the dog bowl I use:http://petco.com/Shop/Product.aspx?R&00&Nav=1&Naor&N=0&Ntt=dog+bowl&cp=7&sku2662&familyID`07&I bought a 64oz and 32oz, but use the 64 oz the most.
I bought these colanders:http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/product.asp?order_num=-1&SKU508006. I use the one that fits the dog bowl best.  I roast with the colander
in the dog bowl.  It's easier to stir the beans in the colander rather
than the dog bowl. I don't even need to use hotpad.  At the end of the
roast, I just lift the colander out by it's handle and hold it over my
cooling fan until the bottom of the colander is cool.  Then I set it
right on the fan.
I use this fan:http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/product.asp?order_num=-1&SKU138349&BTSmode=true. I tilt the fan so the face is horizonal and lay the colander on top
and stir.  Beans are cool in a few minutes and chaff is gone.
I found a cheap stainless steel balloon whisk I got at Winco that cost
$4.69. It measures 12.5 inches long and is very light in weight, so
keeps my hands out of the head and is comfortable to hold.

9) From: an iconoclast
On 8/12/06, an iconoclast  wrote:
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Oops, the fan is not on that page anymore
This one is similarhttp://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/product.asp?order_num=-1&SKU992649,but mine has 3 speeds.  I only use high.  The nice thing is I can aim
it towards my face while I roast on hot days.  I started putting a
8x11 piece of paper taped onto the side to direct the chaff away from
my face when cooling. Works great.
Ann

10) From: Brian Kamnetz
Ann,
Thanks for the info. You probably do more heatgun roasting than anyone
else on the list, or at least you are right up there, several pounds a
week if I recall correctly.
If I am indeed going to quit using the popper (had a switch to the
heat, so I could cool the beans right in the popper after the roast) I
will need to devise a better cooling method, and yours looks simple
enough for me to be able to do....
Did you take the skid-resistant rubber off the bottom of your dog
bowls? I got one at Walmart a couple years ago and took off the rubber
for fear it would melt.
Brian
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11) From: Lynne
That's the fan I use. Only problem is, I'm getting tired of chaff 
floating all around my kitchen. I mean, the landlord does
have a sort of brown theme going on here (translated: old plywood 
cabinets stained brown, never really polyurethaned much...),
but I really have to clean it up every time.
Thing it's time I set up the cooling outside...
Lynne
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12) From: an iconoclast
On 8/12/06, Brian Kamnetz  wrote:
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I do about 10 pounds a week. I have actually never roasted just with a
dog bowl.  I've always used the colander inside as it is so easy to
lift the beans out for cooling.
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I place the dog bowl directly on the side burner of my BBQ, so I took
the rubber ring off.  I'm off to roast right now.  So many good
coffees on the list now, I need to use up the 222 lbs I have on hand,
cause I want more!!  This is the most I've every had, but I'm not
going to miss out on the good stuff.
Take care, Brian and good luck.
Ann

13) From: Michael Wade
Brian, I'm not sure of the brand.  I was in such a hurry to try them that I 
just threw the packing and labels away.  They were a nested set of three , 
very round, almost spherical in shape with a wide (9/16" - 5/8") lip.  They 
have a relatively small flat on the bottom with a black foam pad glued on.
While they are attractive if you like a modern style, I don't see a real 
advantage to the double-wall if you're using a mesh strainer inside.
Michael

14) From: Heat + Beans --all the rest is commentary
On 8/12/06, Michael Wade  wrote: .
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Michael,
Enough people are committed to the mesh strainer with x-bowl that I'm not
about to blow against that particular wind.  But I'll stand by my orthodox
(fundamental?) HG/DB like any true believer.  My first HG roasts, about 4
years ago were with stainless and pyrex mixing bowls. Then colanders and
strainers.  Then I combined them.  Next, I substituted the DB.  Then
abandoned the strainers for these reasons:
1. No noticeable difference in speed.  I'm not claiming that there isn't a
difference.  More important is that if there were a difference, it wouldn't
matter.  My roast time targets are not determined by the capacity to impart
heat to beans; if anything, I hold back on the heat in order to achieve my
desired profile.
2.  When stirring, I much prefer the slick surface of a smooth, clean SS
bowl.  Tactically and functionally it's more satisfying, IMO.
3. The shape of the "particular" DBs that I use gives me the best mix when I
stir.  IMO, wanding and stirring are the key to getting an even roast, and
DBs are better suited than other shapes..
4.  With all respect to Mike McK's reasoning, I prefer my naive physics to
his------I can't see why any significant difference in heat distribution
would exist, and if it did, why it would matter regarding speed or evenness
of the roast.
5.  A strainer and a dogbow  = two roasting implements; a dogbowl alone =
one roasting implement.  One thing to accomplish a job is better than two
things.  IMO.  :o)
-- 
Martin
Heat + Beans
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15) From: Angelo
You might try using an old, damp terry-cloth towel on top for just 
the first few minutes. The chaff flying up will attach itself to the 
wet towel...or, you could mate another colander to catch the 
chaff...You'll think of something :-)
A+
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16) From: Zara Haimo
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I can't take any credit - I got the idea from a discussion on this list a
couple of years ago when I started HGDB  roasting.  I like the rounded shape
of the colander bowl vs the flat bottom of the dog bowl - makes it easier
for me to stir evenly.  I like being able to quickly lift and dump the beans
at the end of the roast.  I'm going to have to try a fan setup, though,
instead of my usual cast iron pan for cooling.

17) From: Michael Wade
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Martin,
I'm not a proponent of any particular style of roasting or equipment.  =
I'm having a lot of fun experimenting with HG roasting and feeling my =
way along. I have a high frequency hearing loss and have heard only a =
few snaps of second crack in the several years I roasted with a =
Precision and absolutely none in my iRoast2, so just being able to see, =
hear and smell an entire roast this well is intoxicating.
I've added to our household collection of stainless bowls, picked up a =
few large stainless strainers and have been trying various combinations. =
 I think I know what you mean about the tactile satisfaction of stirring =
in a smooth bowl, but for me the (percieved) evenness of roast and ease =
of transferring the beans while using a strainer are taking precedence =
at the moment.  Perhaps those perceptions will change with experience, =
as yours have.
I understand what you are saying about speed (how fast you can pour heat =
into the beans) doesn't matter; and I agree.  I think that having the =
beans suspended in the strainer makes the roast more temperature-agile, =
which has been useful on occasion. 
I'm also finding that the shape and proportions of the bowl make a =
difference, I want to try a deeper, narrower bowl than what I have used =
so far.  (Egad!  Even HGDB roasting is not immune to upgrade fever!) 
Ultimately I'm a technical guy, and while I am enjoying the artisanship =
and technological simplicity of HG roasting I know I will eventually go =
on to something like a Hottop, perhaps one of the rumored new =
programmable models.
By the way, I've always admired your slogan; "Heat + Beans     all the =
rest is commentary"
Michael

18) From: Vicki Smith
Has anyone tried using a blow dryer stand for positioning the heat gun?http://tinyurl.com/ep29hI've been intrigued by this conversation, but I'm guessing that holding 
the heat gun for so long (I've got MS, and some things aren't doable) 
would be a barrier.
vicki

19) From: Gerald and Beth Newsom
Taking a little liberty to speak for all the guys here, I haven't tried one
because I didn't realize such things existed.  But what a great idea!
Gerald

20) From: Brian Kamnetz
I haven't tried a blow dryer stand, but just this morning as I was
roasting I was wondering where i might be able to come up with one of
those lab stands made of a base, a pole, and a bracket with a large
circular loop that attaches to the pole. We used to put some sort of
metal mesh onto the metal loop and put a burner under it. Seems like
that would work for holding the heat gun too.
Ann roasts on her gas grill, if i recall correctly, using the side
burner as supplemental heat. She lifts the main grill lid and suspends
her heat gun from that, so that all she needs to do is aim it, if I
understand correctly.
Brian
On 8/13/06, Vicki Smith  wrote:
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21) From: an iconoclast
On 8/13/06, Brian Kamnetz  wrote:
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Someone on CG recommended a mike stand.
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Actually, the main heat is now the side burner and the HG is
supplemental heat.  I start with the side burner on full blast under
the DB/colander. The HG is hanging  off the side of the CLOSED lid of
the main BBQ grill pointing into the HG/DB.  It is set about 950
degrees and aimed to the side of the colander.  I weigh the handle of
the HG down with a 5 lb bag of beans in a plastic bag to keep it in
place. It has sliders on the handle to adjust the heat down.  The only
thing I have to do with my hands is stir, slowly and evenly with the
balloon whisk.
Today was very warm day, so I turned the HG off when 1st crack was
going full force.  I was roasting to some Mexico Oaxaca and Nicaragua
Matagalpa to City-City+ so I just let the heat from the bean mass
coast to the desired roast.  Sometimes I do over 2 lbs. I try to get
as many beans in the colander as I can.  In fact, I've only weighed
the greens once when I reported how much I roast to the list.
I have a Front Avenue grill made by Char-Broil we bought at Costco.
It's a perfect distance from the end of the HG to the beans for the
amount I roast.
When I used to roast a small amount of beans I used the same setup,
but a smaller DB/colander.  I keep saying I need to take some photos.
One of these days.
Take care,
Ann

22) From: Justin Marquez
On 8/13/06, Vicki Smith  wrote:
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I don't see why the stand wouldn't work.  One of the things you'd need
to address is that the HG would be stationary.  Even with vigorous
stirring, if the HG stays pointed at one little area, the beans there
are likely to get scorched.  If you were using the mesh strainer to
hold the beans, it might be possible to move the strainer around while
you stir.
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (Snyder, TX)


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