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Topic: FP question (18 msgs / 385 lines)
1) From: jay hobaugh
Hi there being new to great coffee. had a couple of questions about the french press. the instructions that came with the bodum said you brew for 4 minutes but I read on the archive list that maybe grind as fine as possible then brew for 1 min 30 sec? does anyone here do that? and a water question too. I have REALLY hard water. my socks/whites turn yellowish after maybe 10 washes in the laundry, I rent so cant install a water softner and I have asked about installing a RO water thing at the sink(~300$) and the landlord wasnt too keen on this idea. I have read the insanely long water FAQ but didnt really understand much of the science of it. I did get that If I boil hard water it takes out most all of the nasty tasting stuff. I guess I am asking if my extremely hard water is ok and will it limit my tastey coffee? I dont enjoy lugging water to and fro the store for refill's(but will have to I suppose). I have tried the store water and it wasnt too bad fro coffee. besides they
 refill at the store with the same water(I imagine anyway) but their water maybe has been softened first then RO filtered. 
  I am still learning.
  Steve
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2) From: Gerald and Beth Newsom
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Steve, I think you are going to have to continue using the store's =
water.  We have hard water here as well, and it makes horrendous coffee. =
 As for the French press, I use the same grind setting for the press pot =
as I do for the vacuum pot.  I've shortened the brew time in the press =
pot to 2 1/2 minutes.  Works very well for me.  You might play around =
with brew times and grind settings to see what suits you the best.
Gerald

3) From: David B. Westebbe
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I grind fine and brew for 4 minutes.  I like strong coffee.
 
You need good water to make good coffee.  Buy a few gallons of decent =
spring
water at the supermarket.

4) From: Leo Zick
i tried a fine (espresso) grind for FP, and didnt care for it b/c it  
tasted too bitter to me.  maybe if you brew for a shorter period it  
would be better, but i like the 'mellow' flavors in a brewed coffee,  
and my espresso to have the punch.
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5) From: Eddie Dove
Perhaps a Brita filter pitcher will help.
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6) From: Peter Schmidt
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Jay, I'm close to Gerald's process.  Grind as fine as you can, =
considering how much sludge you can tolerate at the bottom of your cup.  =
My experience has been that steeping time does not need to be exact.  I =
shoot for 2.5-3 minutes, but when it's gone a bit over it doesn't kill =
it.
I also use a R/O system.  The only real sign that you'll have it =
installed will be the spigot on top.  Landords don't like holes drilled =
in their sinks/countertops, but you may get around that by using the =
sprayer hole, etc.
peter

7) From: Bob Brashear
jay hobaugh wrote:
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Here in Richfield, the water quality is fine. Actually tastes good 
coming out of the tap. However, After I started really roasting and 
really learning to make good coffee, I noticed the coffee was flat 
tasting. Water affects everything.
Purchased a Pur pitcher with two-stage filters that last about two 
months. The thing works.
Pur, Brita, Dupont and others make them.
Good luck.
Bob

8) From: Lynne
More than taste, be concerned about what that hard water can do to your 
body. After a short stay in AZ, our water heater broke - due to mineral 
buildup. When I saw what the hard water did to the water heater, I 
decided I did NOT want to chance it w/my (or anyone's) body.
A water filter does not change the hardness - there is a separate 
machine you can buy for that. Forget what it's called. Probably 
something esoteric, like: water softener...
:-)
L.
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9) From: jay hobaugh
Hi there thanks for all the responses. I just came from the store with a couple of gallons of water. gonna try it out again. I had tried that way about a week into my roasting but only lasted a week. 
  On another note. I have a pur filter, 3 stage filter hooked up to my sink. the one that hooks right up to my faucet. but my water still tastes iffy sometimes. I had thought about buying a brita , pur, or generic filtered pitcher and filtering first at the sink then again in the pitcher...maybe I will try that on payday.
  Also I will play around with the grind/brew here in about 10 minuets or so. I had been grinding the same as the pour over cones. and brewing for maybe 1 1/2-2 min. and I know everyone has their preferences. I started with the 7gm scoop per 6 oz water so it was an 8cup model but holds I think it was 28 oz to the bottom of the silver band so I just add 5 scoops and go the the silver band. it fills one coffee cup and my thermal coffee mug perfectly. I also found this 7gm/6oz water was a little strong for me. so I had backed off to 4 scoops to the bottom...about 28oz water. that seems pretty good for me.
  cheers everyone.
  Steve
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10) From: Don Cummings
Jay,
I went through the same process as you.  Same steps too, it seems.
Including reading the Somewhat long water faq.
I started out with the faucet attached Pur filter.  Water tasted ok but it
had little effect on the mineral content.
I then read somewhere in one of these threads that the Brita Ultramax
pitchers actually produced a close to ideal coffee brewing water,
including reducing the mineral content.  One thing about them though.
According to that thread, the mineral reduction only lasts about 1/2 of the
time frame of what Brita says.  I replace mine every 2 to 3 weeks.
The thing that surprised me when doing that research was how so many water
filters (including the Pur faucet attached one) and even bottled waters
provided sub-par coffee brewing water.
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Don

11) From: True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69)
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I have heard from a few they use R/O for coffee H2O is that the best? If
I am thinking of doing something (bottle delivery/ filtration system)
should I just get the R/O?
 
Dennis
 
FC1(SW) Dennis W. True
 "Life Liberty and the pursuit of all who threaten it..."
 
The thing that surprised me when doing that research was how so many
water filters (including the Pur faucet attached one) and even bottled
waters provided sub-par coffee brewing water. 
 
 

12) From: jay hobaugh
I went through the same process as you.  Same steps too, it seems.
Including reading the Somewhat long water faq.
I started out with the faucet attached Pur filter.  Water tasted ok but 
it
had little effect on the mineral content.
I then read somewhere in one of these threads that the Brita Ultramax
pitchers actually produced a close to ideal coffee brewing water,
including reducing the mineral content.  One thing about them though.
According to that thread, the mineral reduction only lasts about 1/2 of 
the
time frame of what Brita says.  I replace mine every 2 to 3 weeks.
The thing that surprised me when doing that research was how so many 
water
filters (including the Pur faucet attached one) and even bottled waters
provided sub-par coffee brewing water.
Brita ultramax pitcher eh... ok I will check that out. How much do the filters cost? and do you filter at the faucet then again at the pitcher? I pay 18$ for one faucet filter or 28$ for two and I think it was 39 for three...I never bought more than two. thanks for the response.
  Steve
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13) From: Eddie Dove
I believe the Ultramax references a specific pitcher model.  I think all of
the pitchers use the same filter.
Eddie
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14) From: Don Cummings
The filters cost only $6 so it is not that big a deal to replace them every
2 or 3 weeks.  As far as double filtering.  No I got rid of the faucet
attachment.  Too much $ for what I eventually found out was too little
performance.
I really like my Ultramax.  Big basin. Holds at least a gallon. I started
with it in the fridge but have since moved it to its own niche on the
counter.  Oh yeah, the water tastes good just plain too.
On 8/30/06, jay hobaugh  wrote:
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Don

15) From: jay hobaugh
Wait a minute, water tastes good when it is not brewing coffee?
   
  maybe I will try that pitcher thanks for the tip and the sink filter doesnt work good eh?
  (but its a 3 stage filter)
  Steve
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16) From: Don Cummings
On 8/30/06, jay hobaugh  wrote:
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:) Yeah , imagine my surprise when I discovered that little bonus.
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I don't (or didn't) mean to come across as an authority or expert on this
whole water thing.  I'm not and I don't really care to be. But the faq
(which seemed to be written by an expert) I was reading was saying that in
regard to mineral buildup in espresso machines the Brita worked well and the
Pur faucet attachment was left wanting.  Not to mention the fact that my
wife hated the big clunky thing attached to our sink faucet.  That, in
addition to the cost of the filters, made it an easy decision to go with the
Brita.
-- 
Don

17) From: jay hobaugh
thanks don for the tip on the brita. I found one of the brita "classic" pitchers at goodwill yesterday. while not as large as the ultramax they use the same filter and it was 20$ cheaper and it works good.
  Steve
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18) From: Don Cummings
Cool.  I got a little sticker shock when I saw the price of the Ultramax
also.  Especially when I got it home and it leaked from the dispenser
valve.  I sent them a flame mail and they got me a replacement within a
week.
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