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Topic: Skunky Monkey (13 msgs / 297 lines)
1) From: Michael Wascher
I have Monkey blend, roasted in a Z&D, rested for 10 days.  I opened the
container (I haven't touched it during the week) and it has a skunky smell.
It seemed to be OK when it was less rested, though darker than I prefer.
This is one of my first roasts in the Z&D and the beans are darker than my
usual popper roast. Not oily but darker in color and a bit of a carbony
taste.
Has anybody else had a Skunky Monkey?
Any tips that'll get me up to speed on the Z&D?
--MikeW
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2) From: Leo Zick
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my wife tells me that all the beans smell like stale fish after a while :/  
From: Michael Wascher [mailto:wascher] 
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 9:43 AM
To: homeroast
Subject: +Skunky Monkey
I have Monkey blend, roasted in a Z&D, rested for 10 days.  I opened the
container (I haven't touched it during the week) and it has a skunky smell.
It seemed to be OK when it was less rested, though darker than I prefer.
This is one of my first roasts in the Z&D and the beans are darker than my
usual popper roast. Not oily but darker in color and a bit of a carbony
taste.
Has anybody else had a Skunky Monkey? 
Any tips that'll get me up to speed on the Z&D?
--MikeW
-- 
"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored."
  - Aldous Huxley 

3) From: Michael Wascher
I've noticed the fishy smell when some preroast, preground coffees are
opened. The premeasured packs they used where I previously worked seemed
especially fishy.
But these beans are definately skumky. This time of year we get skunks
nosing around, looking for a place to den up for the winter. Invariably the
occasional skunk will get surprised and spray athe dog, car or wahtever
surprised it and the scent seeps into the house. That's what these beans
smell like!
On 9/23/06, Leo Zick  wrote:
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4) From: Andy Thomas
I have noticed a slightly skunky smell in some
coffees, too, but it is not offensive (to me). I call
it "earthy" and enjoy it as part of the complexity.
I suggest that you brew it anyway and find out how it
tastes. The musky smell may or may not survive the
brewing process, anyway.
Andy
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5) From: Frank Parth
Mike,
I've found the Z&D's works pretty well for lighter roasts. I generally set mine for about 22-24 minutes. Sometimes less 
depending on the ambient temperature (here in southern California). Based on past experience I don't like  anything 
longer than 27 minutes. Too dark.
I just this week ordered a Gene Cafe from Tom. My Z&D machine has been promised to someone else to get them started 
after they loved the roasted beans I gave them.
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  Frank

6) From: Michael Wascher
I did. It was OK but not as good as other Monkey Blend roasts I've had. It
doesn't have the sweetness I've come to expect from Monkey Roast.
I tossed the bit I had left & will reroast -- lighter. I drank some Liquid
Amber.
On 9/23/06, Andy Thomas  wrote:
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7) From: Alchemist John
I have a memory that Tom mentions that skunky is a "defect" in 
roasting.  I don't recall much more than that, whether it is a poor 
profile, too steep or shallow, too long or short or virtually anything....
ok, here is the quote I recall.
"What's with the Skunk? Our favorite cupping term is "skunky" which 
is actually a defect related to bad roasting."
So, not to put to fine a point on it, I submit "pilot error".  I 
wonder if Tom can relate what conditions in roasting lead to the skunk?
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8) From: Michael Boshes
Don't throw the skunky stuff out; Tom sells cups especially for this kind of
brew. Scroll down a little bit below the m=Monkey cups...http://sweetmarias.com/prod.espresso.shtml#monkeycupOn 9/24/06, Alchemist John  wrote:
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9) From: miKe mcKoffee
Bit of Googling found Tom using the term again in a coffee review: "It's
better to underload the roaster than overload it, or the coffee will scorch
or tip (burn in spots) during the roast, and the cup will taste skunky!"
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
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10) From: Michael Wascher
I can accept that it is the roast. It was one of my first roasts in the Z&D.
The initial cup, right after roasting & before it started its funk, was too
dark for my taste. A lot of roast notes, carbony even though the beans
looked about the same as my Popper roasts. I noticed some skunkiness at
about 7 days, and at 10 days it was very strong.
Odd though, there is little visible oil. I could feel a bit of oil on my
fingers as I ran them through the beans (after the Z&D cooldown I dump into
a colander for final cooling & chaff removal). However, there were no
droplets of oil & the beans had a matte sheen, not the very shiny sheen I
expect on a too dark bean. Even now the beans don't look oily (or they
didn't when I dumped them earlier this morning).
The Z&D roasts  the beans very evenly from the surface through to the
center. I suspect this affects the oiliness & roast taste.
--MikeW
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11) From: Sandy Andina
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I'm wondering whether that "beery" smelling JBM I'd bought from  
Country Traders was really "skunky" from being held in inventory too  
long before sale.  I think the oldest SM I have in my stash right now  
is about a year old, so we shall see.  Except for espresso, stuff to  
which my family's addicted like Sumatra and Harar Horse, and the buy- 
it-now-before-it's-gone stuff (all of which I buy in 2-to-5-lb.  
bags), I never buy more than a pound or two at a time, more often  
just a pound.  My stash is never more than about 20-30 lbs. at its  
largest. (Of course, I don't roast for resale, so your mileage may  
vary). Downside is that once a bag of a particular bean is gone, I  
don't get to try it again for another year, if ever--but that comes  
with the territory, IMHO. Rather have that happen than have great  
stuff go baggy on me.
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I'm wondering whether that =
"beery" smelling JBM I'd bought from Country Traders was really "skunky" =
from being held in inventory too long before sale.  I think the oldest =
SM I have in my stash right now is about a year old, so we shall see.  =
Except for espresso, stuff to which my family's addicted like Sumatra =
and Harar Horse, and the buy-it-now-before-it's-gone stuff (all of which =
I buy in 2-to-5-lb. bags), I never buy more than a pound or two at a =
time, more often just a pound.  My stash is never more than about =
20-30 lbs. at its largest. (Of course, I don't roast for resale, so your =
mileage may vary). Downside is that once a bag of a particular bean is =
gone, I don't get to try it again for another year, if ever--but that =
comes with the territory, IMHO. Rather have that happen than have great =
stuff go baggy on me.
On Sep 24, 2006, at 10:49 AM, miKe =
mcKoffee wrote:
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12) From: Frank Parth
Mike,
I've found the Z&D's works pretty well for lighter roasts. I generally set mine for about 22-24 minutes. Sometimes less 
depending on the ambient temperature (here in southern California). Based on past experience I don't like  anything 
longer than 27 minutes. Too dark.
I just this week ordered a Gene Cafe from Tom. My Z&D machine has been promised to someone else to get them started 
after they loved the roasted beans I gave them.
Frank Parth
I have Monkey blend, roasted in a Z&D, rested for 10 days.  I opened the container(I haven't touched it during  the 
week) and it has a skunky smell. It seemed to be OK when it was less rested, though darker than I prefer. This is one 
of my first roasts in the Z&D and the beans are darker than my usual popper roast. Not oily but darker  in color and a 
bit of a carbony taste.
Has anybody else had a Skunky Monkey?
Any tips that'll get me up to speed on the Z&D?
--

13) From: Michael Wascher
That's what I had read, but I was surprised by how dark it can go,
especially when using smaller quantities of beans.
I've been using 5 oz of beans, but used 4 oz for the skunky monkey. I just
roasted a 5 3/4 oz batch (I had 11 1/2 oz of the beans left and didn't want
to be left with 1 1/2 oz of greens) and got a nice FC+ in 27 minutes.
On 9/24/06, Frank Parth  wrote:
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