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Topic: Stash longevity warning (11 msgs / 252 lines)
1) From: miKe mcKoffee
Ran across a vac'd lb of Kowali Blue Mountain early this week and roasted a
halfer. It's been vac'd since the 02/03 Kona crop. (for those that don't
know, Kowali Blue Mountain is a small plot on the Kowali Estate that Rita
planted as an experiment with Jamaica Blue Mountain seedstock, not the same
as the Kowali Tom had earlier this year from their main Kona Typica plants) 
Anyway back to the warning, it's pushing 4yrs vac bag stored, and today's
Americano says bye-bye over the hill. Sadly going to toss it and the
remaining greens. Which does correlate to the 4 yr greens vac storage test I
did earlier with CRLM, 2 yrs about max... So watch your stash doesn't get
too big and go bad and baggy!
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.

2) From: Les
Mike,
I roasted some 04 Kona two days ago.  It was still very good this morning.
I did go through the stash some today and pulled a lot of coffee that was
1-2 years old.  I put some of the new stuff in the back of the stash.  It is
a shame to let good coffee go baggy.  I went on the SM site and saw that
many of the temptations have been sold out.  I noticed the Blue Batak from
earlier this year isn't as complex and when I first got it.  I am going on
severe stash reduction.
Les
On 9/23/06, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
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3) From: miKe mcKoffee
When I roasted it the smell told me it was probably too far gone yet I
hoped. Dumping the cup and concluding the rest must so too go was indeed
sad. 
On the bright side had quite interesting after dinner Americanos. Mixed
Sumatra Lintong (05 and greens holding up remarkably well vac sealed, yet
fortunately only 1/2# left) and Kenya Lot 54 PB 50:50. Just one of those on
a whim blend for two those cups as the mood struck.
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
	From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Les
	Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 9:32 PM
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	Mike,
	I roasted some 04 Kona two days ago.  It was still very good this
morning.  I did go through the stash some today and pulled a lot of coffee
that was 1-2 years old.  I put some of the new stuff in the back of the
stash.  It is a shame to let good coffee go baggy.  I went on the SM site
and saw that many of the temptations have been sold out.  I noticed the Blue
Batak from earlier this year isn't as complex and when I first got it.  I am
going on severe stash reduction. 
	 
	Les
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	On 9/23/06, miKe mcKoffee  wrote: 
		Ran across a vac'd lb of Kowali Blue Mountain early this
week and roasted a
		halfer. It's been vac'd since the 02/03 Kona crop. (for
those that don't 
		know, Kowali Blue Mountain is a small plot on the Kowali
Estate that Rita
		planted as an experiment with Jamaica Blue Mountain
seedstock, not the same
		as the Kowali Tom had earlier this year from their main Kona
Typica plants) 
		
		Anyway back to the warning, it's pushing 4yrs vac bag
stored, and today's
		Americano says bye-bye over the hill. Sadly going to toss it
and the
		remaining greens. Which does correlate to the 4 yr greens
vac storage test I 
		did earlier with CRLM, 2 yrs about max... So watch your
stash doesn't get
		too big and go bad and baggy!
		
		Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
		URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:
	http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htm		Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path.
To know I must
		first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each
Personal enlightenment
		found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who
have gone before.

4) From: Brett Mason
Sounds like the vacuum did what it could, and aging still did what it could.
Use your beans within a year folks!
Brett
On 9/24/06, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
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Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com

5) From: ConradArms
Were the beans stored in coffee valve bags or in jars and bags from a  vacuum 
sealing machine?
 
Dorothy

6) From: Michael Boshes
Watch out! If there were a V in miKe's name it would be capitalized too.
:-)
On 9/24/06, ConradArms  wrote:
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MichaelB

7) From: miKe mcKoffee
Store all my greens FoodSaver vac bagged.
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
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[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of
ConradArms
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 5:59 AM
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		Were the beans stored in coffee valve bags or in jars and
bags from a vacuum sealing machine?
	 
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8) From: Jeremy DeFranco
Thanks for the heads up. I actually took your advice from the archives, and
I have a food saver that should be arriving in the mail this week. I'll have
to resist the temptation to stock up even more now that I'll have the vaccum
seal...

9) From: miKe mcKoffee
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[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Jeremy DeFranco
	Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 11:34 AM
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	Thanks for the heads up. I actually took your advice from the
archives, and I have a food saver that should be arriving in the mail this
week. I'll have to resist the temptation to stock up even more now that I'll
have the vaccum seal... 
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FWIW I don't and never have advocated getting a FoodSaver with the sole
intention of using it for vacuum sealing coffee. When we got our first
FoodSaver over a decade ago it's initial target usage was meat freezer
storage. We've learned to benefit using it for many other vac purposes,
including coffee roasts and greens. A big key from getting the most from our
FoodSaver was dedicating a counter space for it rather than putting it away
and getting it out for use, which is what we initially did. When it's out it
gets used. I won't elaborate on the myriad of uses which lead to both
reduced spoilage which equates to $$$ savings AND conveniences... I will say
we still for example periodically having 48hr apple cider brined cherry
smoke roasted Turkey dinners including the smoke roasted dripping gravy any
time we want in a half hour! A three day process cook in a half hour any
time you want. (Yeah, vac bag sealed gravy. Not from the Turkey day Turkey
but the Turkey I did specifically for vac sealing storage a couple days
later last Nov.)
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.

10) From: Jeremy DeFranco
Thanks... I like to cook, and so I plan to find many uses for it other
than coffee storage. I'm
looking forward using it! I especially like how the bags are freezer,
microwave, and boiler safe.
All this talk about smoke roasted turkey makes me want to get out my
smoker and roast up a pork butt
and a rack of spare ribs (Memphis style, dry rub of course)! BTW,
coffee makes a great marinade for
pork butt.
--FWIW I don't and never have advocated getting a FoodSaver with the sole
intention of using it for vacuum sealing coffee. When we got our first
FoodSaver over a decade ago it's initial target usage was meat freezer
storage. We've learned to benefit using it for many other vac purposes,
including coffee roasts and greens. A big key from getting the most from our
FoodSaver was dedicating a counter space for it rather than putting it away
and getting it out for use, which is what we initially did. When it's out it
gets used. I won't elaborate on the myriad of uses which lead to both
reduced spoilage which equates to $$$ savings AND conveniences... I will say
we still for example periodically having 48hr apple cider brined cherry
smoke roasted Turkey dinners including the smoke roasted dripping gravy any
time we want in a half hour! A three day process cook in a half hour any
time you want. (Yeah, vac bag sealed gravy. Not from the Turkey day Turkey
but the Turkey I did specifically for vac sealing storage a couple days
later last Nov.)
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.

11) From: David Springston
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
Works great for the pork butt as well - I surprised everyone on Super =
Bowl day with pulled pork that looked and tasted just like I took it out =
of the smoker.  If I am making anything that takes major prep or cooking =
time and freezes well, I make twice as much and freeze half.
David


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