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Topic: quiet grinder? (20 msgs / 492 lines)
1) From: Thbull
Good morning,
I was wondering if there was such a thins as a quiet grinder?  
Initially this would be for French Press use, and maybe migrating  
towards the Technivorm. Price is not necessarily a problem at this  
point.
Thanks in advance,
Arron

2) From: Eddie Dove
Arron,
I have a KitchenAid Proline grinder that I think is very quiet,
comparatively speaking.  I use this grinder for my French Press and my
Technivorm.  Overall, for my purposes, I am very happy with this grinder.
Respectfully,
Eddie
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3) From: Steve Hay
Depending on what you mean by quiet, I'd say my Mazzer Mini is pretty
quiet...  The only sound that is loud by any means is the sound of the beans
being crushed themselves.
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4) From: Tom Bellhouse
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Arron,
It's not just the grinder that determines quietness, it's also what it =
sits on.  Consider a grinder on a normal counter top, as opposed to a =
grinder on a marble counter.  Marble would win.  I've checked this out a =
little with my Solis Maestro and  it's true!   So it's clear that in =
order to get a quiet grinder, you may have to re-do your kitchen =
cabinets.  (Or, you might isolate the grinder by putting it on a =
vibration-reducing base like a couple of old mouse pads.) 
If yours is a "whirly-chop" grinder, wrap it in a towel when using it.  =
I did that for years when my kids were little and frightened of noise.  =
It helps.
Tom in GA

5) From: Scott Marquardt
That's a really good point.
Ikea sells some round cork material that would probably eliminate most of
the high-frequency resonance that might occur with some counters. If bass
notes remain, consider shock absorbers.    ;-)
Seriously, I'd wager that stiff open cell foam would do nicely.
- S
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6) From: Scott Marquardt
OK, I have a question about that grinder.
My Solis Maestro Plus retains some of the grind in the chute that exits the
burr chamber. It's actually implemented as a feature, and I don't understand
why (anyone care to tell me what the deuce that little weighted valve is
doing there?!). Based on what I'm seeing with the grinder you have, it looks
as if the grind probably just drops out from the burrs, with VERY little
retention of whatever you ran through it before.
My SMP's performance is great, but I don't like its retention of prior
grind. In fact, it's beginning to irritate me a lot!
- S
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7) From: hermit
I have had a Solis Maestro for about 5 years and I am very satisfied
both with the way it grinds, and noise level.  Easy to clean as well.
I'd buy another in a minute.
Regards,
Rich
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8) From: miKe mcKoffee
This exact same question came up a few weeks ago. A manual grinder would be
the quietest. Then for electric burr grinders maybe counter intuitively the
larger the grinder motor the quieter the grinder tends to be in operation.
My Rocky is quieter than my Solis Maestro was. The SM was quieter than the
old braun burr. My Mazzer Super Jolly is quieter than my Rocky. I haven't
done side by side or with dB meter compared other larger grinders but the
really Big Boy Mazzer Robur seemed really quiet when I used it visiting Lava
Java.
If noise level is a major issue you could also enclose it like I've seen
done with blenders at some cafes.http://www.suitesupply.com/Polycarbonate-Sound-Enclosure-with-Smoother-Base.BLT-35306.01.htm
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
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9) From: raymanowen
I think most of the toy grinders would be at their quietest best on a
mountaintop in Siberia or an island somewhere around Truk. -ro
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10) From: Brett Mason
Folgers sells preground coffee with a twist off lid.  That's as quiet as it
gets.  Until the gagging from those who drink the rancid swill.
I want my grinder to be obnoxiously loud - great coffee should be greatly
noticed.
Brett
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11) From: miKe mcKoffee
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FIBBER! You often go by "The ZassMan"! :-)
miKe  
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Subject: Re: +quiet grinder?
Folgers sells preground coffee with a twist off lid.  That's as quiet as it
gets.  Until the gagging from those who drink the rancid swill.
I want my grinder to be obnoxiously loud - great coffee should be greatly
noticed. 
Brett
On 10/1/06, miKe mcKoffee  wrote: 
This exact same question came up a few weeks ago. A manual grinder would be
the quietest. Then for electric burr grinders maybe counter intuitively the
larger the grinder motor the quieter the grinder tends to be in operation. 
My Rocky is quieter than my Solis Maestro was. The SM was quieter than the
old braun burr. My Mazzer Super Jolly is quieter than my Rocky. I haven't
done side by side or with dB meter compared other larger grinders but the 
really Big Boy Mazzer Robur seemed really quiet when I used it visiting Lava
Java.
If noise level is a major issue you could also enclose it like I've seen
done with blenders at some cafes.http://www.suitesupply.com/Polycarbonate-Sound-Enclosure-with-Smoother-Base.BLT-35306.01.htm
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
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homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Thbull
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Cheers,
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12) From: Brett Mason
My Zass isn't quiet,although it is non-electric.  Same for my other Zass and
my Trosser...
On a table or counter they echo nicely,,,
Brett
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13) From: Les
My Mazzer Major is quieter than the Super Jolly I had.  Maybe bigger
is quieter!  The Mazzer Zar should be really quiet!  At a rate of 4.4
pounds a minute, you wouldn't have to run it very long for a press pot
or a shot, thus what ever noise it made would be of such a short
duration is would be almost silent.
Les
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14) From: Blake D. Ratliff
My KitchenAid Proline grinder is much quieter than the Braun burr grinder I 
used to have.  I get ready for work long before the rest of the family wakes 
up.  My wife said that the Braun burr grinder always woke her up but the 
KithenAid does not.  One reason why it is quieter is because it is a slow 
rmp grinder.  It was designed intenionally this way so less heat would be 
generated thus being better on the beans.  I think the superb build quality 
helps with noise as well.  I primarily brew with a French press and I could 
not be happier with the quality of the grind I get from the KitchenAid.
Regards ... Blake

15) From: Michael Wade
Aaron:
I followed this thread with some interest since I'm thinking of replacing my 
Solis Maestro (original, not the plus) for both a better grind and less 
noise.  I read that someone felt their SM was quiet; maybe I have an unusual 
unit; the gear reduction sounds like a '47 Dodge farm truck climbing a steep 
hill.  Never mind waking my wife up, I hate to run the thing myself first 
thing in the morning.
The quietest grinders I have personally heard were the two Mazzer mini's 
present at this summer's Bay Area Gathering.  There was just a low shushing 
sound as the beans were cut.  Very classy act.
Since I don't do espresso, nor plan to, in spite of MiKe's encouragement, 
the price/performance point of choice at the moment is a doserless Rocky, 
even if it's not as quiet as a Mazzer.  It's gotta be better than my '47 
Dodge...
Michael Wade

16) From: Tom Bellhouse
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Scott, I can't figure out what you're talking about.  I just went over =
and stuck my finger up the chute, and there was nothing being retained =
there (except my finger.)   I grind pretty coarse for FR, so maybe =
that's a difference?
Tom in GA

17) From: raymanowen
Les, the Mahlkönig that I was >ll< this close to ordering with a 208v 3=
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motor, grinds a pound at Turkish setting every ten seconds. Big bucks, but
"Hang on to the Bronco," was my Celtic Critic's only comment.
I think MiKe's posting alerted me to the Mazzers on eBay and introduced me
to the world of the Damn Snipers that breed there. I jumped the snipe
"bidders" when the seller asked if I really wanted a Major, and to watch fo=
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it on  to catch the Damn Snipers asleep at the switch.
The Zar and the Mahlkönig VTA 6 S are rated nearly identically and they a=
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Heav-vy, at 120 and 90 pounds respectively. At nearly 3hp each for the 3
phase jobs, they'd grind a double like pfft! It takes the Major at least 5
seconds to grind for a double.
My mods for the Major will be a doser that feeds the beans to the grinder,
and a CO2 beverage gas can to blow a couple of puffs to clear the grind
chamber and chute after grinding.
How can anybody put up with a traditional doser/ Oxidation Chamber after
fresh roasting the beans? Where's the future in that?
Oxygen loves you for finely grinding the coffee and then leaving it lying i=
n
the doser.  2 Gold Stars from the O2 molecule factory.
You are an even bigger Friend Of Oxygen (FOO) if you store coffee under
vacuum. Every time you open the container, you have to let (air) in to
equalize the pressure so you can take the cover off. If you do this very
many times or very often, just remember you can't just pump out the oxygen
that has bonded to the coffee fibers and oils. You introduce fresh,
oxygen-rich air every time you open it.
Fresh roasted coffee beans evolve CO2 gas which is dense and displaces
oxygen molecules. When they quit evolving CO2, they're Not Fresh Anymore.
Done for, Mortose.
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
My SMP is quieter than your Mazzer Major- at least it's not making any soun=
d
in my trailer!
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18) From: Les
Ray,
Thanks for the information.  I am glad to hear you are joining the Major
club!  I do the opposite, I give the Major a good suck with a small shop va=
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up the snout after each grind.  I am doserless.
Les
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19) From: raymanowen
Hi, Les-
I had another problem when I replaced the 10-year old 83mm burrs: they
aren't flat bottom "washers."
The burrs sit on an outer 3mm high rim, so that each burr forms a 0.5" deep
X 3mm collector of coffee residue/ Goo. The bottom burr spins and makes an
excellent centrifuge of Goo.
That stuff was really compacted and stuck to the burrs when I took out the
screws. I pried them out with a screwdriver and keep the new ones clean with
a dental exploration tool.
I will tire of the weekly cleaning, and make a dam for the openings with
some soft copper wire. Maybe I should find out if a shot with a few pg of
copper makes a valid mineral drink!
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
Fire Hydrants that also grind coffee-

20) From: Les
I know about that crazy rim.  That is why I pull that off every month and
clean it real well.
Les
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