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Topic: Office coffee (25 msgs / 779 lines)
1) From: Brian Kamnetz
I made coffee today in the office Mr. Coffee. Kenya 622, first snaps
of second, roasted Sunday, so 5 days rest. I ground it in my Zass
169DG, backed up about 3/4 turn. The grind was fine, not powder, had
some grit, but fine, sort of like what Tom recommends for Moka Pot.
The coffee maker has a square basket for grounds, and she has the kind
of round, gold-metal basket that you find at Walmart. I used 43 grams
of coffee with 40 oz of water.
The coffee was a tad thin, and somewhat bitter, though people seemed
to think it was good. But I was a little disappointed.
What changes would list members recommend? I think the coffee should
be ok at that roast and at that rest. I would probably grind a tad
coarser next time, and probably go with about 50 grams of coffee with
40 oz of water. Does that sound reasonable?
Thanks,
Brian

2) From: Gary Bennett
On 10/7/06, Brian Kamnetz <> wrote:
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Hello Brian,
A coarser grind and more coffee sounds about right to me, too.
Regards, Gary

3) From: Obrien, Haskell W.
I've gone around this by picking up a vacuum air pump pot - I make it at
home and haul it to work.

4) From: Barry Luterman
I would also suggest not brewing it in a Mr. Coffee

5) From: Aaron
I have tried similar experiences using 'office machines' to make coffee 
for friends.  It almost always turned out watery, thin or just no 
flavor, perhaps even bitter....
Big part of the problem is the water is not hot enough really, and 
another major problem is the water runs through too fast.  Some of these 
machines have very WIDE brew baskets and the water just rips right 
through.  What I did do is the one machine had one of those 'cup 
stealer' things where you could take the pot out and it'd stop the drip 
of water.  I did that, let it sit a minute or two to fill up the basket 
and soak the grounds a bit better, then put the pot back in and let it 
drip through that way.   Coffee was a little better but not 
significantly so.
Another thing you can do is microwave the water till boiling, then pour 
it in the ground basket till almost filled (again with the stopper type) 
let it set a minute then let the water drain into the pot, repeat until 
how ever many cups of water is gone.
No matter what, I find that I end up using a bit more coffee grounds 
weight wise than id normally do at home with a SG, french press, or 
whatever other pot I use.
Aaron

6) From: Eddie Dove
Sounds like you are on the right path ...
Do you have any idea how hot the water is for brewing.  I used to have a Mr.
Coffee and it only reached about 175 degrees, which won't make good coffee,
in my opinion.
Eddie
On 10/6/06, Brian Kamnetz  wrote:
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7) From: Brett Mason
Yep - more coarse, more coffee...
Brett
On 10/6/06, Brian Kamnetz  wrote:
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Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com

8) From: Sheila Quinn
I'd be willing to bet that all or most of the problem lies with the coffee
maker. A Mr. Coffee is just not good and can make any coffee taste bad! Any
way you can get the office to buy something a little better? For instance,
the Presto Scandinavian is about forty dollars (Amazon.com) and does a much
better job. There may be others, but that is the one that always comes to
mind when thinking of a bargain that actually works correctly. Yes, the
Technivorm is great, but not everyone can afford it.
Good luck!
On 10/6/06, Brian Kamnetz  wrote:
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9) From: Les
You need a better drip machine.  I doubt Mr Coffee is getting over 180
degrees let alone into the ideal 190-200 range needed for good extraction.
The Technivorm is very nice, but there are cheaper machines that get much
hotter than a Mr. Coffee.
Les
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10) From: True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69)
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We have an typical BUNN for the "office coffee maker" it heats to a
perfect 185 deg(I have measured it about 10 times every time 185)
Perfect for heating water for my AP I avoid making a pot since I lose so
much of the flavor I would rather make 5 AP's for 5 different people
instead of making 1 BUNN pot. 
 
Dennis
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11) From: True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69)
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LES,
            What are some alternatives to the TV that you speak of, oh
wise POOBAH of all things coffee?
 
Dennis
 
 
You need a better drip machine.  I doubt Mr Coffee is getting over 180
degrees let alone into the ideal 190-200 range needed for good
extraction.  The Technivorm is very nice, but there are cheaper machines
that get much hotter than a Mr. Coffee. 
 
Les
 
 

12) From: Jeremy DeFranco
I would check out the Cuisanart DTC-975. There is a review
here
.

13) From: Aaron
Dennis talk to your electricians.  The bunn coffee pot does have an 
adjustable thermostat in it, get them to tweak it up for you.  I cant 
tell you exactly where it is located as I dont know the model of your 
bunn but the sparkies should know how to fix it up for you.
If they give you any crap, tell them oh ok sorry, Ill have to get a GSE 
to fix it then since you don't know how and walk away... that'll get em 
goin :)
aaron

14) From: Brian Kamnetz
On 10/6/06, Eddie Dove  wrote:
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I was wondering at this when I read Les's response. I don't know the
brew temp of the Mr Coffee but of course I suspected that it might be
low. That would explain why the brewed coffee was somewhat thin, given
the 43 g / 40 oz ratio; would the thinness of the brewed coffee then
explain the bitterness?  I was thinking about the AP with a low
recommended brew temp, and that makes very thik coffee, apparently, a
concentrate. But, of course, the AP coffee/water ratio is much higher
than 1 g / 1 oz.
I have a hotplate at home; maybe next Friday I should bring in the
hotplate, a kettle, and the FP, and just use the FP for the demo....
Brian

15) From: Eddie Dove
Brian,
My experience with the Mr. Coffee taught me that on its own, it was not
capable of making good coffee and everyone told me it was bitter.  I did
learn to make "better" coffee with it, but it was a pain.  I would run the
water through the machine with no coffee in it to preheat the water, then
pour that water back in and make the coffee which would get the temperature
up to 195 degrees and it would make decent coffee.  I would have to
constantly watch it though to make sure it didn't overflow because the
preheated water would move through it quickly.  I quickly grew weary of this
task at 4:00 AM.
I did by a Technivorm and I do REALLY like it.  However, my mother-in-law
recently bought a Cuisinart Coffee Maker at Sam's Club, based on input that
I gleaned from the marvelous folks on this list.  Last weekend we had family
members birthday party at her home and she asked if I would bring some of my
home-roasted coffee for the gathering.  I hesitantly obliged, but I must
admit that the Cuisinart made a respectable cup of coffee.
Hope this helps ...
Eddie
On 10/6/06, Brian Kamnetz  wrote:
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16) From: Jeremy DeFranco
-I too had a Mr. Coffee in the past, and tested it with a thermometer. It
only brewed at 175! The ideal is anywhere from 190-205. I personally like
200-205, and would use 195 as a cutoff. The bitterness is a mystery, as you
would think less bitters get through due to lower temps. I think it might
have something to do with the hot steam that comes out of the faucet along
with the suboptimal temperature water. This steam is at 212 degrees-too hot.
So with a Mr. Coffee or any of the other 95% of the subpar coffee makers out
there you get both an underextracted and overextracted cup I think. I've
never tried the AP, but I thought that a temp of 190-205 was warranted here
as well. I couldn't imagine getting a good cup without those temperatures
except for the case of the "Toddy Maker" which steeps coffee with cold water
for HOURS in the fridge. Someone on the list I'm sure can answer that
question. If you do choose to get a new drip for the office (get everyone to
pitch in after they taste your great homeroasted coffee) shoot for any of
the following, which are supposed to get to proper temp- Technivorm, Presto
Scandinavian, Cuisanart DTC-975, or Capresso MT-500. I would also recommend
aiming for a coffee maker without a hotplate, but rather with a thermal
carafe, as a hotplate can destroy a good cup in 15 minutes by cooking the
coffee. As I mentioned previously, I think the Cuisanart DTC-975 might be
the best choice for an economical buy. A list member just recently performed
a review on this one, which I put a link to in my previous post. Other list
members seem to like the presto scandanavian as well, which I also believe
is much less than the technivorm. Beware of the Capresso MT-500, as I hear
you have to brew atleast half a pot to get to proper temperature. Another
option would be to get an electric water kettle and either a FP or a Chemex.
And then you can get a thermos for keeping hot for periods of time longer
than 15 minutes. Best of luck!
-I was wondering at this when I read Les's response. I don't know the
brew temp of the Mr Coffee but of course I suspected that it might be
low. That would explain why the brewed coffee was somewhat thin, given
the 43 g / 40 oz ratio; would the thinness of the brewed coffee then
explain the bitterness?  I was thinking about the AP with a low
recommended brew temp, and that makes very thik coffee, apparently, a
concentrate. But, of course, the AP coffee/water ratio is much higher
than 1 g / 1 oz.
I have a hotplate at home; maybe next Friday I should bring in the
hotplate, a kettle, and the FP, and just use the FP for the demo....
Brian

17) From: Leo Zick
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interesting...  i find most undertemped brewed coffee to be flat.  man i
hate that!  
From: Jeremy DeFranco [mailto:jeremy.defranco] 
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 9:06 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: +Office Coffee
-I too had a Mr. Coffee in the past, and tested it with a thermometer. It
only brewed at 175! The ideal is anywhere from 190-205. I personally like
200-205, and would use 195 as a cutoff. The bitterness is a mystery, as you
would think less bitters get through due to lower temps. I think it might
have something to do with the hot steam that comes out of the faucet along
with the suboptimal temperature water. This steam is at 212 degrees-too hot.
So with a Mr. Coffee or any of the other 95% of the subpar coffee makers out
there you get both an underextracted and overextracted cup I think. I've
never tried the AP, but I thought that a temp of 190-205 was warranted here
as well. I couldn't imagine getting a good cup without those temperatures
except for the case of the "Toddy Maker" which steeps coffee with cold water
for HOURS in the fridge. Someone on the list I'm sure can answer that
question. If you do choose to get a new drip for the office (get everyone to
pitch in after they taste your great homeroasted coffee) shoot for any of
the following, which are supposed to get to proper temp- Technivorm, Presto
Scandinavian, Cuisanart DTC-975, or Capresso MT-500. I would also recommend
aiming for a coffee maker without a hotplate, but rather with a thermal
carafe, as a hotplate can destroy a good cup in 15 minutes by cooking the
coffee. As I mentioned previously, I think the Cuisanart DTC-975 might be
the best choice for an economical buy. A list member just recently performed
a review on this one, which I put a link to in my previous post. Other list
members seem to like the presto scandanavian as well, which I also believe
is much less than the technivorm. Beware of the Capresso MT-500, as I hear
you have to brew atleast half a pot to get to proper temperature. Another
option would be to get an electric water kettle and either a FP or a Chemex.
And then you can get a thermos for keeping hot for periods of time longer
than 15 minutes. Best of luck! 
-I was wondering at this when I read Les's response. I don't know the
brew temp of the Mr Coffee but of course I suspected that it might be
low. That would explain why the brewed coffee was somewhat thin, given 
the 43 g / 40 oz ratio; would the thinness of the brewed coffee then
explain the bitterness?  I was thinking about the AP with a low
recommended brew temp, and that makes very thik coffee, apparently, a
concentrate. But, of course, the AP coffee/water ratio is much higher 
than 1 g / 1 oz.
I have a hotplate at home; maybe next Friday I should bring in the
hotplate, a kettle, and the FP, and just use the FP for the demo....
Brian

18) From: Angelo
I use 18gr of coffee for 2oz espresso, so I would think you might 
need a bit more coffee...
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19) From: Les
Hey the Bunn isn't that bad.  I would suggest a super cleaning however!
They have an adjustable thermostat too.  I am not so wise when it comes to
drip.  I hadn't done drip in 15 years until the lure of the Technivorm was
too great and I added another brew method to my arsenal.  My wife likes it
cause I don't make a big mess in the morning with it.  My personal favorite
for "brewed" coffee is a vac pot.
Les
On 10/6/06, True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69)  wrote:
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20) From: miKe mcKoffee
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[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Jeremy DeFranco
	Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 6:06 PM
	
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thermometer. It only brewed at 175! The ideal is anywhere from 190-205. I
personally like 200-205, and would use 195 as a cutoff. The bitterness is a
mystery, as you would think less bitters get through due to lower temps.
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Surprised nobody has mentioned another common cause of bitterness. DIRTY
BREWING DEVICE!!!
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.

21) From: True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69)
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I did a good cleaning and torque'd a few chief's when I did, after all
to them the crud gives it the flavor right? Tonight I have the late
watch I may pull it apart and look for the thermostat see if I can't
bump it up to a solid 195-200
 
Ok Cleaning and resetting the thermostat is complete and I just checked
the H2O temp coming out at 196 deg. Looks like that is the best I am
going to get not too shabby for a industrial machine. Fixing to try a
pot of Uganda Bug on 26 hours rest, I'll let you know how it comes out.
 
 
Dennis
(heading east at 26 knots!)
 
FC1(SW) Dennis W. True
 
CS-5 DSPO
CS Dept CC
CS Dept TRANO
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22) From: True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69)
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Well I just had the BUG in a BUNN pot and I must say I am impressed it
was actually a very good pot. (not to mention the TAO, the CDCWO and the
Flag Comm watch all are now begging for more- those are all officers on
watch) 
It was a very different than an Americano style AP cup I normally make
but still very good. 
 
Another note I have noticed that I have to add 1-2 min to my roast times
onboard the ship I guess my power at home is better than here. 
Dennis (still heading 090 at 26 knots)
 
 
FC1(SW) Dennis W. True
 
CS-5 DSPO
CS Dept CC
CS Dept TRANO
Duty Sec 1 CS E6 S/L
CS Dept Mentorship Coordinator
 
"Life Liberty and the pursuit of all who threaten it..."
 
I did a good cleaning and torque'd a few chief's when I did, after all
to them the crud gives it the flavor right? Tonight I have the late
watch I may pull it apart and look for the thermostat see if I can't
bump it up to a solid 195-200
 
Ok Cleaning and resetting the thermostat is complete and I just checked
the H2O temp coming out at 196 deg. Looks like that is the best I am
going to get not too shabby for a industrial machine. Fixing to try a
pot of Uganda Bug on 26 hours rest, I'll let you know how it comes out.
 
 
Dennis
(heading east at 26 knots!)
 
FC1(SW) Dennis W. True
 
CS-5 DSPO
CS Dept CC
CS Dept TRANO
Duty Sec 1 CS E6 S/L
CS Dept Mentorship Coordinator
 
"Life Liberty and the pursuit of all who threaten it..."
 

23) From: miKe mcKoffee
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For some reason I find the thread's title humorous in reference to a 95,000
ton fully loaded aircraft carrier:-)
 
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee 
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc: http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htm
Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.  
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of True, Dennis W.
FC1 (CVN69)
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 9:37 PM
Well I just had the BUG in a BUNN pot and I must say I am impressed it was
actually a very good pot. (not to mention the TAO, the CDCWO and the Flag
Comm watch all are now begging for more- those are all officers on watch) 
It was a very different than an Americano style AP cup I normally make but
still very good. 
Another note I have noticed that I have to add 1-2 min to my roast times
onboard the ship I guess my power at home is better than here. 
Dennis (still heading 090 at 26 knots)
FC1(SW) Dennis W. True
CS-5 DSPO
CS Dept CC
CS Dept TRANO
Duty Sec 1 CS E6 S/L
CS Dept Mentorship Coordinator
"Life Liberty and the pursuit of all who threaten it..."

24) From: Les
I am glad to hear you got the Bunn making acceptable coffee.
Les
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25) From: True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69)
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I know it is a bit odd saying office here but it is my office and my
home, store, post office, gym, fire station etc... at least for the next
7 months and anything I can do to make it even a little better is
something to look forward to.. I brought on 25 pounds of hard candy for
the rest of the sailors and 25 pounds of greens just trying to keep
morale up and bring a little bit of home with us on the trip.
 
 
V/R,
FC1(SW) Dennis W. True
 
CS-5 DSPO
CS Dept CC
CS Dept TRANO
Duty Sec 1 CS E6 S/L
CS Dept Mentorship Coordinator
 
"Life Liberty and the pursuit of all who threaten it..."
 
 
"For some reason I find the thread's title humorous in reference to a
95,000 ton fully loaded aircraft carrier:-)
 
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee 
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc: http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htm 
Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I
must first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal
enlightenment found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who
have gone before. 


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