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Topic: drip vs. automatic drip (15 msgs / 338 lines)
1) From: MS
I have sort of been in the market for a new automatic drip coffee maker.  I=
 went to SM's, confident that it had the best stuff, but the item I really =
would want is the Technivorm, which is out of budget for the moment. After =
reading the reviews on the Scaninavian Presto I have decided that too many =
people have had problems with it .  It seems to be great while it works but=
 does not work for that long.  So I have turned my attention to the Cuisina=
rt 975, recently reviewed here, which I can get for $50.  But now, I see th=
at a loca sotr has a pretty good water oilerer on sale for $9, and I have a=
n old melita plastic fileter holder from back in the days prior to automati=
c drip, when it was pour thrugh drip coffee.  
My question is, why use=
 the automatic drip in the first place. Seems to me that with a rapid boile=
r we can quickly get the water more consistently to the proper temerature a=
nd pour it, with coffee entering into a good sealed pot.  is it really that=
 much slower than automatic drip? What is the advantage of the automatic dr=
ip coffee maker over the pour through drip coffee maker?  Can we get the wa=
ter too hot for the coffee with the pour through drip?  Does the automatic =
drip give you more precise control?  Or, is it just a matter of programing =
and having the warming plate that comes with the auoptmatic drip?

2) From: Justin Marquez
On 10/15/06, MS  wrote:
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To my way of thinking, the auto drip machine is a convenience.  I see
no reason why you can't make fine coffee with pour-over.
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (CYPRESS, TX)

3) From: raymanowen
I suspect all automatic machines of any type take control away from the
operator, to the suppression of the art. Charbones did that with their
grinders and espresso makers. Now you can get a push-button espresso shot
from their volcanic ash beans.
Fancy that- an automatic brewing method that extracts all the remaining
flavor and aroma from beans they have already incinerated! Get ready-
they're probably in the middle of a feasibility study for a "Kingsford
Blend."
Take your pick. You'll get what you pay for, and more, at Sweet Maria's. Who
else is davoted to coffee?
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
Got Grinder?

4) From: Brett Mason
Hi MS,
Every sunday night I bring coffee to our small group of ~23 people.  I
use a 1950's West Bend Kwik Drip because it makes 18 cups.  I boil
water to pour into the top bowl, and let gravity do the rest.  When
it's done (10 minutes to drip through) I pour into a 2litre SS vacuum
caraffe and take to church.
I suppose an automatic drip brewer would be good if I only wanted half
that much coffee to take.  I can find no compelling reason to use an
automatic drip machine for this.  I use my Melitta Clarity in the
morning, because it keeps the coffee warm for my wife and son while I
go to work.  10 cups seems to be enough for the three of us to have
one cup each (mug, "real" cup sized).
Somewhere along the line coffee became better because there was a plug
and a switch...  Not sure where this fits in, except for my UNIC Diva
espresso machine...
You can find the West Bend Kwik Drip all over the place online...
Regards,
Brett
On 10/15/06, MS  wrote:
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Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com

5) From: raymanowen
$50 for a coffee maker?
So you buy the very best beans that cost a lot of blood, sweat and tears to
get to your mail box. You spend a lot of time and effort roasting them.
You don't have to spend so much on a drip coffee maker. I've positively seen
them at Big Lots and Walgreens for under $10.00.
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
Don't overspend!
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6) From: Vince Doss
Brett,
I was curious about your 1950's West Bend Kwik Drip so I went on ebay and
bought one for 10.00. This thing is pretty neat, in the original box post
marked March '58. I was just curious about how you used it (aside from the
obvious).
 Do you actually fill it up to the 18 cup mark? I was measuring the water
and that is around 4qts. I dont have any coffee to test it with tonight, my
grinder is at work and I havent bought a new one for home yet...(torn
between making the jump to the Mazzer Mini E or just getting another rocky
or quickmill), anyway, was just wondering what your thoughts on it were and
if you had come to any revelations about how best to use it, the workflow as
it were. I have an ibis water kettle that will boil 1750ml so I guess I
could do that twice befor it dripped through??
As usual any/all comments are welcome
Thanks,
Vince
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7) From: Brett Mason
Hi Vince,
When I make coffee for our "Parents of Teens" class, I fill it to 18 -
takes 2 teapots.  I grind for drip, and use about double what I use
for my 10-cup melitta.
Takes about 10-15 minutes for the water to all run through, but makes
great coffee!  Also works for smaller amounts.
Please post your description of method and results from your first pot!
Brett
On 10/26/06, Vince Doss  wrote:
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Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com

8) From: Vince Doss
Brett,
Do you apply any heat to the pot to keep it hot or is the coffee still hot
enough after 10-15 minutes, before decanting into the carafe?
Thanks,
Vince
On 10/27/06, Brett Mason  wrote:
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At some point between French and fire, it really doesn't matter much what
the "origin character" of the coffee was...
Tom Owens - Sweet Marias

9) From: Brett Mason
I place the pot on a pot-holder so the granite counter won't dissipate
the heat.  I look in the upper bowl first to make sure the water has
gone through.  I then lift the upper half (straight up) to see if it
is still dripping.  Once complete I pour the whole brew into a
stainless steel thermos which keeps for 8 hours.
A couple notes might be helpful...
  1. The holes in the brewer might be a little oxidized, and could be
opened up to original size with a sewing needle.  I still need to do
this, and assume brewing could proceed faster.
  2. A burr grinder is really helpful here as dust and fines can clog
up those little holes
  3. I am thinking about an insulated something, like a "tea cozy"
could wrap the outside and insulate while brewing.
A couple questions I have not resolved...
1.  Can I boil the water in the lower pot, pour into the upper pot,
and then return the upper pot onto the lower pot without actually
covering my counter with hot coffee in the process?
2.  DOes anyone onlist have memories of their parents using a
Kwik-Drip who can lend memories or observations that can illuminate or
just plain help?
Finally, you need to know that I like older technologoes in place of
newer technologies, handmade over machine made, and vintage over
pristine.  These biases certainly affect my review of Cory Vacpots,
Zassenhaus and Trosser mills, and my Porsche 928.
Regards,
Brett
On 10/27/06, Vince Doss  wrote:
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Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com

10) From: Eddie Dove
Vince,
Have you tried this yet?  I am really curious ...
Eddie
On 10/27/06, Vince Doss  wrote:
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11) From: Vince Doss
No Eddie, I have been runnin' crazy here lately, I hope to try it this week
sometimes or maybe the weekend. I am going to the Outer Banks, NC for the
week of Thanksgiving and will definately try it there. I am taking my Macap
M4 grinder, my Technivorm and Newly PID'd Silvia and about 5# of coffee to
make coffee for ~15. My Family (in-laws) all have hobbies and we jokingly
talk about who gets the merit badge for what....Last year they all conceded
and said I win...=)
I will report my results and workflow on the Quik Drip
On 11/6/06, Eddie Dove  wrote:
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At some point between French and fire, it really doesn't matter much what
the "origin character" of the coffee was...
Tom Owens - Sweet Marias

12) From: Vince Doss
Eddie,
I finally tried my 1950's  WestBend Quik Drip 18-cup coffee maker as
seen on Ebay (Item number: 160039876230)
First I stopped up the drain/filter/brew basket and filled it up to
the 18 mark and then measured it to see just how much water it held.
It came out to around 2 Litres. I planned to decant it into my Sweet
Maria's Zojirushi 2.2L Air/Pump Pot, so I added 200 ml more to the
water. Following Brett's lead I doubled the amount of coffee I usually
brew in the TV. I ground 130 gr just slightly coarser than normal drip
and dumped it in. I split the water into 2 equal boilings in my Bodem
Kettle. I set the pot on my kitchen counter next to the sink on a
glass cutting board and boiled water and dumped it in. It took 15
minutes to completely drip through. I measured the temperature in the
carafe part as it was dripping and it was a steady 180 degrees. I
decanted it into the pump pot right away and it did not fill it all
the way up, maybe that 200 ml was still in the grounds. I did notice
that there was quite a bit of room in the carafe (below the spout) for
more water to have been used (and obviously more coffee too). I did
this last night at about 8pm. The coffee was fantastic! it was very
much like the FP I have. There were minimal fines left in the carafe
after dumping it. I was concerned about the cleanup. It was not as bad
as I thought it would be.I just dumped it in one big plop into the
trash. I think what mess I did have would have been minimized if I let
the filter basket sit in the sink and drain a while longer. The coffee
was still nice and hot this morning although a bit acidy, still
drinkable to me.
Post Mortem: I would add more coffee and water to make sure I
completely filled the thermos.
I would preheat the carafe portion with boiling water.
It would be nice to have some type of Nomex wrap for the whole pot
while you are making coffee (a little overkill perhaps) because it is
dang sure HOT!
I would separate the water boilings into three instead of two to
stretch the heat added by the water. I think the rate of drip would
allow this.
I am real happy with it and glad I bought it. I will definately use
it. It makes a nice, inexpensive addition to the Coffee Toys.
Vince
On 11/6/06, Eddie Dove  wrote:
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At some point between French and fire, it really doesn't matter much
what the "origin character" of the coffee was...
Tom Owens - Sweet Marias

13) From: Eddie Dove
Thanks, Vince!  This is great info ...
You said there were very few fines ... which just made me curious as to what
kind of grinder you used.
Thanks again for the info ...  I put one of these on my Christmas list.
Eddie
On 11/16/06, Vince Doss  wrote:
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14) From: Vince Doss
After taking my Rocky to work, I bought a Macap M4 Doserless with step feature.
On 11/16/06, Eddie Dove  wrote:
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At some point between French and fire, it really doesn't matter much
what the "origin character" of the coffee was...
Tom Owens - Sweet Marias

15) From: Scott Marquardt
Every week I do at least two manual 2 gallon pourovers and a few manual
liter pourovers. For me, it's worth it. Total control over the process, the
water temperature, everything.
Would I PREFER a $1900 Fetco machine to do my two Luxus 2-gallon servers?
Yes! Do I HAVE that money? No!    ;-)
I use 5 micron polyester felt, whose suberb flow rate enables a cone filter
a bit larger than a 6 to easily brew with 8 ounce grinds (provided you
pre-infuse to kill bloom). This lets me use small scale hardware to do large
scale brews properly.
If you don't have polyester felt, try "bag coffee" for those large
quantities. Linen or something -- anything but paper. Or use a very coarse
grind with paper, if you have large serving containers (2 or 3 liter
airpots?).
Etc.
On 10/15/06, MS  wrote:
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