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Topic: homeroast digest, Vol 1 #4908 - 24 msgs (16 msgs / 383 lines)
1) From: MS
<<$50 for a coffee maker?
So you buy the very best beans that cost a lot =
of blood, sweat and tears to get to your mail box. You spend a lot of time =
and effort roasting them. 
You don't have to spend so much on a drip c=
offee maker. I've positively seen them at Big Lots and Walgreens for under =
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
Don't overspend!>>
Not sure =
I understand.  Are you being cynicial about not wanting to spend over $50 o=
r are you sincere in saying you can get a good one for under $10?    Seems =
to me there are problems with both points of view, but I won't get into it.=
 Can you at least be a little clearer?

2) From: Eddie Dove
You don't want to run a 98 yard return and fumble at the goal line.
On 10/15/06, MS  wrote:

3) From: Brett Mason
You don't want to eat worms...
No, I don't get it either....
Well, how about this?  Get the brew method taht best serves you and
your excellent roasted beans...
On 10/15/06, Eddie Dove  wrote:

4) From: MS
Thanks, Eddie.  That is a lot clearer.
< wrote: 
<<$50 for a coffee maker?
So you buy =
the very best beans that cost a lot of blood, sweat and tears to get to you=
r mail box. You spend a lot of time and effort roasting them. 
You don=
't have to spend so much on a drip coffee maker. I've positively seen them =
at Big Lots and Walgreens for under $10.00. 
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
Don't overspend!>>
Not sure I understand.  Are you being cynicial a=
bout not wanting to spend over $50 or are you sincere in saying you can get=
 a good one for under $10?    Seems to me there are problems with both poin=
ts of view, but I won't get into it. Can you at least be a little clearer? =

5) From: Aaron
Well.  you might get lucky and find a good one in a thrift store for 
under $10.... somehow I doubt it though.
However I believe the point he was trying to make was,  why get the best 
coffee, roast it carefully, then skimp on cost and brew it in a pot that 
is probably going to mess  it up?
If you want a brewer that cost around ten dollars that won't mess up 
your coffee, buy a swiss gold, heat the water in the microwave or a tea 
pot, and make it a cup at a time.
I believe a french press is around 30... make it two or three cups at a 
time then (ok so I have a big coffee cup)
There's always cowboy coffee too, just throw the grounds in your coffee 
cup, throw hot water into them, stir, wait a few minutes and either 
drink that way or strain through a paper towel.... if you don't want to 
spend the money on paper towels you can always use a wash cloth I bet, 
or perhaps an old pair of panty hose... just make sure you wash them 
first so no fishy tastes come out in your coffee.

6) From: MS
I am not complaining about the $50.  I am just wondering why spend even tha=
t much when you can boil water in just a few minutes (probably no longer th=
an the automatic drip makers takes to heat the water) and then use a swiss =
gold.  I don't even see that the automatic drip maker will be any shorter i=
n making the coffee (especially if you have a boiler that rapidly heats the=
 water), and you can better control the temperature of the water.  So why d=
o people use the automatic drip maker?  Accordeing to some of the responses=
 i have had it is just a matter of the convenience that is perceived in the=
m.  that appears to be the answer.

7) From: Tom Bellhouse
Remember the old three-piece aluminum drip pots I grew up with?
Probably cost all of $4.95.  I drank gallons of coffee made in them, and
thought it was pretty damned good.  I'll bet one would make good coffee
given good beans, hot water and the right grind.  My Dad, who was the
expert, thought that you also needed a crushed egg shell in the basket
with the grounds, and a pinch of salt.  Lots of good days started off
with that coffee...
Tom in GA

8) From: Vicki Smith
My experience suggests that different brewing methods produce coffee 
with different characteristics. I am pretty sure that with the same 
beans, from the same roast, and with each optimized for a particular 
brewing method in terms of how they were ground, I could tell the 
difference between pourover, French press, moka pot, my KMB, and 
aeropress made coffees. It is not that one is necessarily better than 
another--just different.
I choose different brewing methods depending on how much coffee I want 
to make, the particular taste experience I want, and the amount of 
tending I want to do as part of the process.  I know, for example, that 
I can setup my KMB, go away and check my AM Email for 7 minutes, and 
come back to 40 ounces of very good coffee that is ready to be poured 
into my insulated carafe for our morning coffee drinking. That is the 
kind of convenience/lack of tending I want at 5 AM.
For years I did pourover in the morning, mainly because I didn't like 
any of the drip pots out there that I could afford. When I could afford 
my KMB, I got it (in fact, I have two of them but that t is another 
story). If I had to go back to using a pourover again, I would miss 
it--both because of the convenience factor, and because I really like 
the coffee my KMB produces.
People often look for some ultimate truth when making these sorts of 
decisions, like there is only one true way. And while there may be a 
single ultimate truth for you, chances are that other folks do not see 
it that way.
Yup, one of those YMMV things.
MS wrote:

9) From: Ken Bozarth
I use an old Pyrex coffee pot, bring my water to a temperature 200-205, and
then set my Swiss gold filter into the pot with the coffee inside the
filter, occasionally stirring the grounds to make sure they stay wet, brew
for 3.5-4 minutes while keeping the water at the right temp, then remove the
filter and pour the coffee into my cup.  This is pretty much the same as a
press pot without the press pot (although I use one of my press pots when I
want more than 15 ounces at a time). 
Don't waste your money on a cheap drip coffee maker.  The way I understand
it is that brewing at to low of a temperature will not extract all of the
flavors.  Why waste good coffee that way?
Ken Bozarth

10) From: Bob
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
Not a perceived convenience-a real time saver. Put cold water and =
grounds into a auto drip, go shower, shave and whatever, come back to =
coffee. Pourover-manually heat water, slowly pour through filter(3-5 =
minutes). Bout a 10 minute time saver in the morning. 
My Presto still going strong after 14 months.
Aaron--questionable taste on the pantyhose comment.

11) From: Vicki Smith
Not to mention that as you go through that fairly long process to pour 
through your coffee, the water which may have started out at the optimum 
temperature, soon is not hot enough. While this is not an issue for a 
single cup or so, it is if you are making a family sized amount.
Bob wrote:

12) From: Chad
My morning routine... Roll out of bed (3:50am) get the thermal caraffe 
from the coffee room that finisshed brewing on a timer at 3:58am, place 
it on sink downstairs, sss, pour coffee and leave house by 4:10am. The 
dripper does make a difference at 4am. Weekends are espresso, aeropress, 
french press, cowboy and good ol vintage '75 turkish.
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 9:21pm, MS wrote:

13) From: Chad
Typo. I mean 3:48am. Catch that before you do!
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 10:09pm, Chad wrote:

14) From: Aaron
MS, the biggest problem with the auto drips is that probably 99 percent 
of them can not get up to temperature to properly extract the flavor 
from the coffee.   Some can, the technivorn can, but that is not a 50 
dollar unit.
Forget about your Mr. Coffee's, your Gevalia's, your Sunbeam super pot's 
etc etc.  They are garbage really when it comes to properly brewing coffee.
I agree with the swiss gold method myself.  Then again I only drink one 
cup of coffee in the morning, so it works great for me.  But yes, nuke 
the water and dump, very convenient.
When I have an urge for more than one cup of coffee, or have friends 
over, Ill do a french press then.   Again, nuke the water and you can 
control it, and get a few cups.
You made mention of an auto drip being quicker, that depends on the 
pot.  I have an old mr coffee I used to use and that thing, wow, it 
would literally take 20 to 25 minutes to squirt out a pot's worth of 
water.  I have another drip that can squeeze a pot out in about 5 to 7 
Now there are many others on the list who will have their favorite 
machines and methods to make coffee with and will swear by them, but 
large and far, except for the ones who actually have a technivorn, (I 
believe that is the right machine) or one of the ones that do get up to 
temp. I bet they are not using auto drip brewers.
Using an auto drip is not necessary a bad thing, it's not that we all 
hate them,  but to use the right one, you will be spending more than the 
before mentioned fiddy bucks, unless you steal one or get a really good 
deal on one somewhere.

15) From: Alchemist John
Here here Chad.  I agree and am there with you.  Slightly different 
routine, but at that time in the morning, I so don't want to fuss 
with all the set up.  Weekends are for that.
And as many have pointed out, pourover makes a different cup.  I 
tried for years, and don't really care for either FP or pour 
over.  Both are extra work and the flavor profile does not light me 
up.  I prefer my Cuisinart drip.
At 22:06 10/15/2006, you wrote:
John Nanci
AlChemist at large
Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.chocolatealchemy.com/

16) From: Gary Townsend
I swore off drip makers about a year ago and never looked back.
I either use a Chemex or a 20 oz Yama Vacpot.
I get up at 4:15 am and fill the electric water kettle.
Flip on the switch.
I now have 4 to 5 minutes to shave/ or what ever.
Water is boiling.
Flip off Switch.
Grind into a measured cylinder 2/3 of a cup.
Add to filter.
Add hot water.
Eat a bowl of cereal while the extraction is occurring, keeping the water
Toss the spent grounds and filter into the compost container.
Fill my thermos and travel mug.
Rinse Chemmy. Total time invested...10 minutes
Roll on down the highway, sipping my coffee, & listening to *Stranglehold*
or shudder...some *classic rock*.
And enjoy a great cup of coffee, every day...because a wise man once said
"Life's too short for a bad cup of coffee." and I tend to agree.
I also like Eddie's analogy: "You don't want to run a 98 yard return and
fumble at the goal line."
"Brilliant" quoting the Guinness cartoon characters from the football
commercial ;-)
Albert Einstein - "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent

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