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Topic: A Tragic then Glorious Story <> (16 msgs / 337 lines)
1) From: Heat + Beans --all the rest is commentary
A HOPEFUL, THEN TRAGIC, THEN TRIUMPHANT STORY OF NEED, DESIRE, REMORSE, AND
FULFILLMENT---- ALL FOR A  PALTRY $500 ABOVE BUDGET
The double discounted Vivaldi S1 wasn't that much more than the HX that I
had in mind to buy (already a couple of hundred more than I told my wife
"we" would be spending).  But then I saw the photos of that used Vivaldi (La
Spaziale).  Even allowing for low res digital amateur photography,  the
scratches and dings made it so ooogly that I couldn't bear to bring it
home.  So I opted for the new V.I at a lesser discount.  But the upgrades on
the Vivaldi II increasingly seemed significant, and by now the cost wasn't
much more than a day at Disneyland for a family of 1.5.  I was convinced of
the  merits of the S I, but everything can be a little better.  Right?
Right.  So I called the vendor and said hold that order, I want to upgrade.
Alas,
cruel fate And giddy Fortune's furious fickle wheel
had turned against me.  The V I had already shipped!
 I demanded that Mary at Chris Coffee fling herself in front of the UPS
truck and snatch the machine back!  (actually, she offered to send an email
to intercept the delivery).  So there we have it.  In roughly a month the V
2 (yes, I'm aware of its menacing sound) , that I do not deserve to own,
will arrive at my door.
* Non est mea culpa*
Scace, McKoffee, and several others made me do it.
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Martin
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2) From: Tara Kollas
 But the upgrades on the Vivaldi II increasingly seemed significant, and by
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Um - probably less - my husband and I are taking our two kids to Disney
world next year - the 2 year old is free.  For the other three?  If we want
to hop between parks for one day?  $325.  Without the hopper pass option,
it's $190.
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3) From: Brett Mason
Took my family of 9 to Orlando for a week, including 4 days at Disneyworld.
  ((Best Park from our experience?  Cape Canaveral))
Costs
  airfare                $2000
  timeshare          $2000
  Hopper Passes  $1600
  Rental Car         $  600
  Food & entertainment  $1200
We saved by owning the timeshare through Marriott
We had friends and family give to "Disney Passes" in lieu of birthday
and christmas giving
We got bumped on America West the previous Christmas, and earned (9)
$500 travel vouchers  
  Out of pocket costs: ~$2K
Espresso Comparison:
  Used 15 yr old HX machine:   $600
  New Portafilter and stuff         $130
  Used HX amchines for parts   $400
  20amp plug in kitchen           $350
  plumbing in (DIY)                  $100
                       Total             $1600
Wonderful espresso        $Priceless
Just my comparison!
Brett
On 10/18/06, Tara Kollas  wrote:
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Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com

4) From: Leo Zick
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
i expect there will be reviews for us somewhere?  :)  
From: Heat + Beans --all the rest is commentary
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Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:45 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: +A Tragic then Glorious Story <>
A HOPEFUL, THEN TRAGIC, THEN TRIUMPHANT STORY OF NEED, DESIRE, REMORSE, AND
FULFILLMENT---- ALL FOR A  PALTRY $500 ABOVE BUDGET
The double discounted Vivaldi S1 wasn't that much more than the HX that I
had in mind to buy (already a couple of hundred more than I told my wife
"we" would be spending).  But then I saw the photos of that used Vivaldi (La
Spaziale).  Even allowing for low res digital amateur photography,  the
scratches and dings made it so ooogly that I couldn't bear to bring it home.
So I opted for the new V.I at a lesser discount.  But the upgrades on the
Vivaldi II increasingly seemed significant, and by now the cost wasn't much
more than a day at Disneyland for a family of 1.5.  I was convinced of the
merits of the S I, but everything can be a little better.  Right?  Right.
So I called the vendor and said hold that order, I want to upgrade. 
Alas, 
cruel fate And giddy Fortune's furious fickle wheel 
had turned against me.  The V I had already shipped! 
 I demanded that Mary at Chris Coffee fling herself in front of the UPS
truck and snatch the machine back!  (actually, she offered to send an email
to intercept the delivery).  So there we have it.  In roughly a month the V
2 (yes, I'm aware of its menacing sound) , that I do not deserve to own,
will arrive at my door.
Non est mea culpa
Scace, McKoffee, and several others made me do it.  
-- 
Martin
Heat + Beans
    all the rest is commentary

5) From: Cameron Forde
Greg,
Looking for a beta tester?
Cameron
On 10/19/06, Greg Scace  wrote:
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6) From: Les
I better get some S1 53.4mm tampers on the website.
Les
On 10/19/06, Cameron Forde  wrote:
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7) From: Cameron Forde
Les,
I'll be directing my family to your website in plenty of time for Christmas.
Cameron
On 10/20/06, Les  wrote:
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8) From: Michael Dhabolt
Greg,
I just talked to Devon at EPNW.  He checked and said that the Spaziale
basket will fit the La San Marco PF (but not the other way around).
It looks like a minor top radius trim of a Chimbali bottomless PF will
allow it to accept the LM sized thermofilter and coupled with a
Spaziale thermofilter a person would have most commercial machines
covered.
Les,
Does the 53.4 tamper also fit the LSM basket?
Mike (just plain)

9) From: Heat + Beans --all the rest is commentary
Now let's see:  If anyone has been longing for a 58mm Espro Clicker tamper,
you can trade for one by providing me with a Thor 53.4  LaSpaz tamper.  Les,
is it true that when using your tamper, I can get you on the telephone and
will say, "click, click"  when I reach  30 lbs?  :o)
Martin
On 10/20/06, Les  wrote:
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10) From: Chad
Les,
Do you or SM have the click tampers?
Chad
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11) From: Brett Mason
Chad, I have one of Les' tampers.
I can tell you from personal experience, they are several clicks ahead of
the rest.
And they don't work at only a single level of pressure, these tampers are
fully variable, able to give the full pressure that you intend in your
basket!
Don't settle for less,
Brett
On 10/20/06, Chad  wrote:
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Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com

12) From: Les
I have played with the click tampers.  In my opinion it is like
training wheels on your first bike.  The biggest problem with them, is
people become dependant on the click and fail to pay attention to what
is going on with their espresso experience.  The most important part
of  pulling a great shot of espresso machine is between the ears of
the the person pulling the shot.  I tamp between 20 and 45 pounds
depending on the type of shot, the grind, the bean or blend, or even
the weather.    If you want excellent shots, you have to think through
the process and be meticulous.  If you want a good average shot, get a
Solis 5000.  If you want outstanding shots, you are always on the
learning curve.  I don't put clickers on my tampers, I have thought
about some type of measuring system.  I have had many reports that a
wood tamper gives a better feel for the tamp.  I think so.   I have
been using a steel tamper some (I did a swap with one of the guys in
the Tamper Road Show on HB), and I like the wooden Thor better, but I
am prejudice.
Les
On 10/20/06, Chad  wrote:
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13) From: Michael Dhabolt
On 10/20/06, Les  wrote:
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I agree.
I've got a half dozen tampers and I like the Thor better.  The
'prejudice' part goes with the grin and the self administered pat on
the back that I get every time I use/fondle it.  There has got to be a
limit to the amount of polished aluminum and stainless steel in a
persons life.
Mike (just plain)

14) From: Chad
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Not a good businees slogan for Les's tampers. In this case, you should 
settle for Les!
Chad

15) From: Roger Lebow
As someone who recently got one of Les's tampers, let me add my 
enthusiastic endorsement--it's a perfect melding of form and function, 
beautiful to look at, sensually pleasing to hold and use, and about the 
weight of your average bowling ball, so that it really produces a 
wonderful, even tamp. My shots have improved noticeably since I got 
this puppy...
Roger
On Oct 21, 2006, at 9:06 AM, Chad wrote:
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16) From: Heat + Beans --all the rest is commentary
I agree with the "training wheels,"  and I'd add the occasional "refresher
course."  IMO, it's one of those products that's handy to have around for
regular--if only occasional-- use.  It did help me calibrate my other
senses.
I might be going out on a limb here, but could the same be said for a Scace
Device?  There are certainly plenty of other indicators that an experienced
barista can use to adjust tamper pressure or temperature, but if a piece of
technology can give an extra data point, I say use it.  Is it worth it?   It
was for me, but I'm not about to look in other people's wallets to comment
on what they might be spending.  I'm not sure how many people have become
"dependent" on clicker tampers (maybe we could start a 12-step program to
wean them off).   To the contrary, some people actually recommend them for
developing technique, at which point they can be abandoned.
All that said, I covet a Thor tamper, and if I ever go a few weeks without
indulging myself with something or other, that's high on my list.  I'll be
getting one before I replace the clicker.
Martin
On 10/20/06, Les  wrote:
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Martin
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