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Topic: Saeco Aroma Black (17 msgs / 459 lines)
1) From: Jon Rosen
Bloomingdale's is having a one-day sale on the Saeco Aroma Black  
espreso machine. Looks like an excellent price at $169. Does anyone  
have any experience with this machine?
Thanks,
Jon

2) From: Brett Mason
I have the experience of buying my first espresso machine from other than
Sweet Maria's.  I had a Starbucks Barista, which is a Saeco machine.
Best I can recommend is to check out what Sweet Maria's sells (http://www.sweetmarias.com/prod.gaggia.shtml)and buy there.
Jon, maybe you forgot, but I'll remind you.  Tom isn't really into
advertizing for other espresso machine sales companies.  He likes to sell on
his own site.  That's why you agreed not to do what you did when you
advertized the competitor's product.  Do you have stock in Bloomingdale's?
More important than respect for our host, you might consider their wisdom in
offering the machines they offer.  Oh, Saeco isn't one of their offerings.
Try the Gaggia which Tom offers.  The Gaggia Espresso sells for $219, and is
a machine worth your money - this would be a much better investment.
(attributes Tom's writing:) "This is the Gaggia internals with a no-frills
Thermoset (read plastic) housing. But think about it ... it has the same
boiler, the same chrome-plated brass portafilter handle, the same 17+ bar
pump, as the higher-priced Gaggias. It doesn't have the 3-way valve to
release excess pressure, or to backflush-clean the machine. But you can
release pressure manually in ... oh, let's say 10 seconds."
Maybe once more around the ethics tree for you Jon...
Fiercely protective of Sweet Maria's,
Brett
On 11/3/06, Jon Rosen  wrote:
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3) From: Leo Zick
does this mean that we are only allowed to buy what tom sells?
lets look at it this way. he heeds your advice, puruses sm site, and  
doesnt like the offerings. doesnt buy a machine.  well, now he cant  
buy more coffee from tom to use as espresso. that would be a sales  
loss, wouldnt it?
as a small business owner, that sounds silly, and like the potential  
loss of a customer for future business expansion.
on a side note, saeco owns gaggia, so there is no harm in considering  
either if thats the type of machine that interests you.  so,  
essentially, tom is offering saeco, its just rebadged.
-Leo (the troublemaker as of late)
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4) From: Kevin
I think it means you can patronize the establishment of your choice but do
not use SM's list serve (since they foot the bill) to advertise or point out
sales to other businesses.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
K

5) From: Sheila Quinn
Yep - I'm saving my money for a Gaggia!
I was actually thinking of sending the SM's link to them to my husband - 
it would be a great Christmas gift for me! :)
Sheila
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6) From: Jon Rosen
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Brett,
Lighten up. I resent your characterizing my question as an ethical  
lapse. Everyone on this list is aware of a hundred different sources  
for coffee-related equipment and paraphernalia. Furthermore, many  
types of equipment discussed on this list are not sold at SM. But, I  
appreciate your overzealous enthusiasm for Sweet Maria's fine  
products and service.
Thanks,
Jon
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Brett,
Lighten up. I resent your = characterizing my question as an ethical lapse. Everyone on this list is = aware of a hundred different sources for coffee-related equipment and = paraphernalia. Furthermore, many types of equipment discussed on this = list are not sold at SM. But, I appreciate your overzealous enthusiasm = for Sweet Maria's fine products and service.
Thanks,
Jon O= n Nov 3, 2006, at 3:17 PM, Brett Mason wrote:
I = have the experience of buying my first espresso machine from other than = Sweet Maria's.  I had a Starbucks Barista, which is a Saeco = machine.   Best I can recommend is to check out = what Sweet Maria's sells (http://www.sweetmari=as.com/prod.gaggia.shtml) and buy there.   = Jon, maybe you forgot, but I'll remind you.  Tom isn't really = into advertizing for other espresso machine sales companies.  He likes = to sell on his own site.  That's why you agreed not to do what you did = when you advertized the competitor's product.  Do you have stock in = Bloomingdale's?   More important than respect = for our host, you might consider their wisdom in offering the machines = they offer.  Oh, Saeco isn't one of their offerings.  Try the Gaggia = which Tom offers.  The Gaggia Espresso sells for $219, and is a = machine worth your money - this would be a much better investment. =   (attributes Tom's writing:) "This is the = Gaggia internals with a no-frills Thermoset (read plastic) housing. But = think about it ... it has the same boiler, the same chrome-plated brass = portafilter handle, the same 17+ bar pump, as the higher-priced Gaggias. = It doesn't have the 3-way valve to release excess pressure, or to = backflush-clean the machine. But you can release pressure manually in = ... oh, let's say 10 seconds."   Maybe once = more around the ethics tree for you Jon...   = Fiercely protective of Sweet Maria's, = Brett   On 11/3/06, = Jon Rosen <jon> wrote: = Bloomingdale's is having = a one-day sale on the Saeco Aroma Black espreso machine. Looks like = an excellent price at $169. Does anyone have any experience with = this = machine? Thanks, Jon= homeroast mailing list http://li=sts.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast To change your = personal list settings (digest options, vacations, unsvbscribes) go to = http://=sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings =
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7) From: Brett Mason
Hi Leo,
Respect is hard to characterize, but disrespect is easily recognized.  Tom
intends this forum to benefit all participants, usually related to coffee,
with the only caveat that participants not use the forum to advertiza any
competitor.  Tom and Maria go further and offer free review of posts prior
to posting just to make sure the post has Sweet Maria's approval.
Let's look at it this way.  Don't post offers or advertisements for
competitors...
Brett
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9) From: Kevin
Jon,
I sure you meant no disrespect to SM. Maybe the original post would have
been clearer if the other retailer was omitted and worded something like,
"Does anyone have experience with the Saeco Aroma Black?"
Kevin
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10) From: Jon Rosen
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Kevin,
Exactly right. I mentioned the one-day sale to emphasize that I need  
information quickly in order to make a timely decision. Maybe I will  
repost my request.
Jon
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Kevin,
Exactly right. I mentioned = the one-day sale to emphasize that I need information quickly in order = to make a timely decision. Maybe I will repost my request.
Jon O= n Nov 3, 2006, at 3:50 PM, Kevin wrote:
Jon,   I sure you meant no = disrespect to SM. Maybe the original post would have been clearer if = the other retailer was omitted and worded something like, "Does anyone = have experience with the Saeco Aroma Black?"    = Kevin   On 11/3/06, = Rich Adams <radams> wrote: = ----- Original = Message ----- with the only caveat that participants not use the = forum to advertiza any competitor. Like Abe's Camera and = Electronics!! ho= meroast mailing list http://li=sts.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast To change your = personal list settings (digest options, vacations, unsvbscribes) go to = http://=sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings =
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11) From: Kevin
I'm trigger happy today.  My infant son had a bad night (crying all night).
I was up trying to sooth him so the Mrs. could sleep.  When I did get to
sleep, I slept too late to make coffee and got it on the road (from a North
East donut chain that will remain nameless).  Needless to say, it's been a
bad day...
Kevin

12) From: Eddie Dove
Shiela,
We can help ... publish your husbands email address here and we will all
email him letting him know that you mentioned to us that you wanted one for
Christmas.
Eddie
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13) From: Les
Leo,
No we can buy stuff that Tom doesn't sell.  If fact he doesn't mind us
discussing other machines and stuff on the this forum.  What he doesn't want
is URLs or advertising by people for their stuff without his permission.  I
don't see a problem talking about the SAECO.  However putting a direct link
to a vendor would be a problem.
Les
One of the list police!
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14) From: Leo Zick
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
i understand that. the post could have detailed the machine type alone,
without a link, and should have then been considered harmless. (as i
attempted yesterday, and we saw how well that worked. lol)  
From: Brett Mason [mailto:homeroast] 
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 3:41 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +Saeco Aroma Black
Hi Leo,
 
Respect is hard to characterize, but disrespect is easily recognized.  Tom
intends this forum to benefit all participants, usually related to coffee,
with the only caveat that participants not use the forum to advertiza any
competitor.  Tom and Maria go further and offer free review of posts prior
to posting just to make sure the post has Sweet Maria's approval. 
 
Let's look at it this way.  Don't post offers or advertisements for
competitors...
 
Brett
 
On 11/3/06, Leo Zick  wrote: 
does this mean that we are only allowed to buy what tom sells?
lets look at it this way. he heeds your advice, puruses sm site, and 
doesnt like the offerings. doesnt buy a machine.  well, now he cant
buy more coffee from tom to use as espresso. that would be a sales
loss, wouldnt it?
as a small business owner, that sounds silly, and like the potential 
loss of a customer for future business expansion.
on a side note, saeco owns gaggia, so there is no harm in considering
either if thats the type of machine that interests you.  so,
essentially, tom is offering saeco, its just rebadged. 
-Leo (the troublemaker as of late)
Quoting Brett Mason :
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Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com

15) From: Scjgb3
I have tried to keep my thoughts to myself, but, i must say this...... it's  
all about the money, that is the bottom line.  i would love to buy all my  
coffee supplies from SM but the truth is if i  can get a deal i will buy  it. 
Just because i bought a chemex from eb**  will not put them out of  business, it 
helped SM because now i get my filters from them and more  coffee. valve bags, 
more coffee and i tell all of the people i meet through the  coffee, SM is 
the place to go. 
i send them all the business i can by word of mouth. but that is just  me. 
 
i have learned alot from this site and thank SM for the great coffee and  
service.
 
scjgb3......joel

16) From: Brett Mason
Offlist...
Hi Jon,
That Saeco goes for around $280 lots of places - seems to be the best
price.  For $169 you'll save quite some money.
I didn't like my Saeco (Starbucks Barista).  Still, you should check out
www.coffeegeek.com and read up on the Saeco Aroma Black - if it's the
machine for you, then Bloomingdale's price is a very good price.  You only
get today on this thing...
Brett
On 11/3/06, Jon Rosen  wrote:
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17) From: Les
Joel,
No problem here!  I understand the money crunch with two kids in
college.   I bought my Mazzer Major from the Salvation Army for
$38.50.  I bought a 3 month old used Expobar Office Control a
$1,000.00 machine for $300.00 from a private party for $300.00.  So, I
got $1,500.00 plus worth of Espresso equipment for less than $350.00!
I doubt Tom minds at all since I am going through a lot more coffee.
That is his bread and butter!  Oh and I scored an Olympia Cremina that
has virtually never been used for $300.00.  So go for a good deal if
you can!  Join the espresso club!  The Saeco will get you in, I and
other from experience know that you will get upgrade fever soon.
Whereas a low priced Gaggia will get up much further up the ladder
before upgrade fever sets in.  I wouldnt be surprised if there might
be someone on this list that might have a good used machine for sale.
You just need to ask.
Les
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