Someone gave me a *$ gift card for fixing their computer, they knew I was into coffee but alas, the uninitiated often make this mistake of equating SB's with coffee fanatics...anyway, I asked a friend who lives close to a store to pick up a pound of coffee with the 20.00 card and give the balance to the tip jar and we would see if we could drink it. It was their Cafe Estima; a blend of Latin American and East African coffee. It should be noted that it was not burned to a crisp, I visually inspected it and it was dark but no signs of 2nd crack shrapnel, there were a lot of crushed beans as if someone had started to grind it and thought better and emptied the grinder. I had a 90/10 blend of Panama Carmen Estate C+ and Ethiopian Ghimbi FC. I brewed a pot of each of 70gr in 1.25L of water in the Capresso MT500, decanted them into thermal carafes and set them out and asked the 6 people that are in my coffee club to try them both(they were unaware of what I was doing). To the (wo)man each of them not only chose my coffee but found the SB coffee to be especially without flavor.Honestly their descriptions were: no flavor, tastes like toilet water, as soon as it leaves your tongue it's just gone..... Just sharing =) Vince -- At some point between French and fire, it really doesn't matter much what the "origin character" of the coffee was... Tom Owens - Sweet Marias
Thanks for sharing Vince. I like these comparisons because they solidify the philosophy of small batch roasting. I am not a SB basher but I am sure the coffee will approach “blah, blah” as their market share increases. coffeechaser.com Try Search Survival Kits: Fix up your home and better handle your cash with Live Search! http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improve&locale=en-US&source=hmtagline
On 11/8/06, Vince Doss wrote: <Snip> 1.25 L of water = 42.3 ounces, with 70 g of coffee, so your ratio of coffee to water is 1.7 g of coffee per oz of water. That's pretty stout, and therefore your colleagues' descriptions ("no flavor" etc) is even more remarkable. Brian
On 11/8/06, Vince Doss wrote: <Snip> I wonder how they knew how toilet water tastes.. Safe Journeys and Sweet Music Justin Marquez (CYPRESS, TX)
On 11/8/06, Justin Marquez wrote: <Snip> I wonder how they knew how toilet water tastes.. I'm hoping they meant the toiletry and not the toilet....
hmmmm, but you bring up a good point, though I have gone by the SCAA recommended ratio of 55gr/Liter which is 1.626 gr/oz so using that ratio comes up to 69gr/1.25l pot. I usually use between 65 and 70 gr and everyone seems to like it. I never thought it was too strong. Their coffee was just noticeably without any "juice", I tossed the whole pound because I told them I wasnt going to drink it and I wasnt going to pawn it off on anyone else lest they think this stuff was "my coffee". I am going to go get the bag and look at the date on it. On 11/8/06, Brian Kamnetz wrote: <Snip> -- At some point between French and fire, it really doesn't matter much what the "origin character" of the coffee was... Tom Owens - Sweet Marias
The date stamp is: BEST BEFORE:14APR2007Y L041407Y30730B 192691 I thought you could tell the roast date from this....anyone? On 11/8/06, Vince Doss wrote: <Snip> -- At some point between French and fire, it really doesn't matter much what the "origin character" of the coffee was... Tom Owens - Sweet Marias
--Apple-Mail-28-24912705 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset -ASCII; format=flowed Reincarnation--perhaps they were dogs or cats in their past lives..... On Nov 8, 2006, at 11:35 AM, Justin Marquez wrote: <Snip> Sandy www.sandyandina.com www.sass-music.com --Apple-Mail-28-24912705 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset -ASCII Reincarnation--perhaps they were = dogs or cats in their past lives..... On Nov 8, 2006, at = 11:35 AM, Justin Marquez wrote:
Wednesday, November 8, 2006, 10:40:33 AM, you wrote: <Snip> Interesting experiment. I've received my share of SB cards too. In case anyone else gets one (and has learned from your experiment), the muffins and cheesecakes aren't too bad. I've bought coffee cups, shot glasses, chocolates, breath mints and CDs from their stores too. Angela
--Apple-Mail-50-105390401 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset -ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed They sell Jones diet sodas, which are Splenda-sweetened and quite good. On Nov 9, 2006, at 5:54 AM, Spectrum wrote: <Snip> Sandy www.sandyandina.com www.sass-music.com --Apple-Mail-50-105390401 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset -ASCII They sell Jones diet sodas, = which are Splenda-sweetened and quite good. On Nov 9, 2006, = at 5:54 AM, Spectrum wrote:
<Snip> April 15, 2005?
On 11/9/06, David B. Westebbe wrote: <Snip> No... that date is one where it tastes like $tale crapola. And, of course, the 300 days or so before that one, too. Safe Journeys and Sweet Music Justin Marquez (CYPRESS, TX)
I do not know, but I can surmise it's all just an alphanumeric sham. I think the salient term in "BEST BEFORE:14APR2007Y" is the Y. It means, "Whenever you drink this, it would have been best before Yesterday." Expect nothing- you won't be disappointed. Cheers -RayO, aka Opa! Got Grinder? Save it for real coffee...
I frankly do not think you can compare SM to SB on any kevel. ginny
I take it you mean Starbucks. Someone should write it out at least once! (Especially since in computer geek circles SB often refers to Sound Blaster). Vince Doss wrote: <Snip>
"Someone should write it out at least once!" You just did- for the Nth time. The folks that still missed it will continue to wonder. -ro
I thought SB was pure BS. (sorry, I had to say it..) Lynne On Nov 10, 2006, at 6:50 AM, David Liguori wrote: <Snip>
SB has done a fine job of moving people toward the notion of "Wuality" coffee... Sure tehy have steered their own business side, bu they have elevated the visibility of coffee tremendously... Brett Mason (BM - for what it's worth) On 11/10/06, Lynne wrote: <Snip> -- Cheers, Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com
On 11/10/06, Brett Mason wrote: <Snip> We slam ol' *$ here, but I think their coffee IS better than buying canned Foulgers at the store and brewing it in dirty and under-temp equipment at home. So, folks who are accustomed to that style of home coffee can appreciate the improvement. *$ has capitalized on that improvement and continues to make good money doing it. What we have with our homeroasted is a quantum leap better. *$ _could_ make a better product. OTOH, why should they make any changes to their successful business model? "If it ain't broke, DON'T FIX IT!" Their business is NOT making the best coffee on the planet, but making a good profit. Safe Journeys and Sweet Music Justin Marquez (CYPRESS, TX)
Maybe it's just the result of all the political mudslinging as of late, but I am reminded of "Hey I am the people's choice because this other fellow is just simply a bigger turd than I am" or "I are better than them because, well, it is me of course". On the other hand, if the subject point of declaration is that the coffee buyer that we buy our coffee from suits my coffee fancies better than the coffee buyer of the establishment that it seems that many love to denigrate, I certainly must agree.
My intent was not to malign Starbucks but just to convey my little validation of what we all know. I am not a starbucks basher really, I appreciate what they have done for coffee a long time before I got into homeroasting. I did however start buying fresh roasted whole bean coffee back around 1987. I hate to shop at Walmart too but I admire what Sam Walton did. I just get satisfaction when I enlighten someone as to the sheepish way people have been brainwashed to think that Starbucks has good coffee. People think I am crazy when they see the lengths I go to about coffee...200.00 coffee pots, 500.00 grinders...installing a water filter at work just for the coffee,weighing my beans before brewing, ok, so I'm a little OCD and get carried away sometimes. But then there's the other "hobbies" of Live audio recording, the Martin D-28 Marquis, the Nikon D2x, the woodworking...people kind of know that if I am interested in something, I will get a little obsessed. I'm not wealthy, I just like to get good things, It kind of lets people see that I'm not so crazy.That was really my only point in sharing my story...vindication of my my "whacky" choices,not to bash Starbucks On 11/10/06, Tom Ulmer wrote: <Snip> -- At some point between French and fire, it really doesn't matter much what the "origin character" of the coffee was... Tom Owens - Sweet Marias
--Apple-Mail-106-188344657 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset -ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed What are you using to record? And how do you like that Marquis? How does it differ from the V or GE line? (I have a D-18GE, and though I normally prefer rosewood to mahogany, that Adi top and forward/ scalloped bracing makes it sound loud AND exquisite). On Nov 10, 2006, at 10:34 AM, Vince Doss wrote: <Snip> Sandy www.sandyandina.com www.sass-music.com --Apple-Mail-106-188344657 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset -ASCII What are you using to record? = And how do you like that Marquis? How does it differ from the V or GE = line? (I have a D-18GE, and though I normally prefer rosewood to = mahogany, that Adi top and forward/scalloped bracing makes it sound loud = AND exquisite). On Nov 10, 2006, at 10:34 AM, Vince Doss = wrote:
I am in SB not (non-basher remember) a customer came in and left empty handed. He asked for the Verona roast. He departed quickly before I could comment. The scene engaged me return with a question, are their any personal blends similar? More information from SB, "The acidity of Latin American coffees and the rich earthy flavor of Indonesian coffees are both detectable. An addition of Italian Roast contributes a pleasant and smoky sweetness." One second thought you do can go with a City++ Sumatra to get pleasant and smoky sweetness. All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day trial! http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000002msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.windowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail
Roast 1/4lb Sumatra to Spanish Roast+ Roast 1/4lb Vietnames Robusta to Spanish Roast+ Roast 1/4lb Uganda Bugisu to Spanish Roast+ Roast 1/4lb Ethiopan Yirgaccheffe to Spanish Roast+ Blend Reheat lb of coffee to Spanish Roast++ to add some carbon flavor Cool Store in an open bowl on back porch for 30 days Breww and Serve, with an extra large slice of moist chocolate brownie (add $4.50 for brownie). Make sure you have lots of milk, creme and half-n-half, plus sugar and "raw" sugar. This will help bring out the sweetness in your drink. Enjoy! Brett On 11/10/06, john irwin wrote: <Snip> -- Cheers, Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com
That sounds about right. But if you're out of one of these beans or want to save money, you can just substitute straight charcoal for one or more parts of the blend. For added body, scrape up the burned remnants of your Duraflame log from the fireplace and add it to the blend. It's good filler and won't change the flavor. :) Sheila Brett Mason wrote: <Snip>
I have AKG 391 mics> Lunatec V3 Pre A-D> Marantz PMD671>8GB Compact Flash which give me 4 hours of 24bit 96KHz recording. I am learning to Mix/Master/Post in Adobe Audition (Cool Edit Pro) . I also have a small "stealth"kit DPA4061 micro omnis>DPA's MMA6000 Pre A-D>Microtrack2496>same 8GB card (it shares time with the camera too). I just pulled a show in Philly last weekend of a friends band from LA that I am trying to resample and track now. My wife and I started taking lessons last year (everyone we know and hang with plays...and we love music!!)and bought the HD 28V (my first guitar) and a 000C 16GTE for her. 3 months later we "found" the Marquis and was just blown away by the difference in sound. I thought the wider nut would make it easier to learn on (jury still out on that) but I just traded the HD-28V for a Taylor 714ce . The Marquis has a 1 3/4" nut and wider spacing at the bridge than the HD (1 11/16"nut) but they both have the modified V neck. The Marquis also has the Adirondack Top and Bracing...The Golden Era D-28 had Brazilian Rosewood back/side s. East Indian Rosewood, and I think that is the only difference between it and the D-28 Marquis (which would add about 10K to the price). The D-18GE series has a Mahogany Side/Back and Brazillian headplate but I think they are similar to the Marquis otherwise.It was neat to hear the difference between the HD and the Marquis and also a regular D-28. Anyway I started playing my wife's 000C and found the low oval neck makes it much easier to play (learn) barre chords so that is why I traded the HD (I think I will keep the Marquis(es) forever ( I have the Natural and wife has the Sunburst), it is just an awesome instrument and with practice, I will be able to do it justice some day). I saw where you were at Jammin' Java, we go there alot and record. Let me know if you head back to the DC area, we would love to see you!! Vince On 11/10/06, Sandy Andina wrote: <Snip>
Well, now - - - I love to play my Santa Cruz OM; but my "Baby" Taylor is what goes in the trunk or in the overhead. I rely on my Canon 1D mkII; but I'll still grab my Nikon 990 to cut down weight on a hike. And I'd much prefer my homeroast and careful shot pulling, but I can handle a cup of Starbucks without making myself miserable. Martin On 11/10/06, Vince Doss wrote: <Snip> -- Martin Heat + Beans all the rest is commentary
--Apple-Mail-139-223133291 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset -ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I prefer to gig with either my Taylor 414rce or--because it's currently in the shop--my Martin D-18GE plus Taylor 422R; but when I am not gigging when I fly, either the Big Baby, Larrivee Parlour, or deceptively inexpensive D-16 is what goes in the overheads. I have several 35mm SLRs, but these days, even the Canon A95 stays home in favor of my camera phone. And I'll gladly take a macchiato or breve from *$ when I'm on the road or in the airport and beginning to fade-- and that Green Mermaid sign comes into view. On Nov 10, 2006, at 8:47 PM, Heat + Beans --all the rest is commentary wrote: <Snip> Sandy www.sandyandina.com www.sass-music.com --Apple-Mail-139-223133291 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset O-8859-1 I prefer to gig with either my = Taylor 414rce or--because it's currently in the shop--my Martin D-18GE = plus Taylor 422R; but when I am not gigging when I fly, either the Big = Baby, Larrivee Parlour, or deceptively inexpensive D-16 is what goes in = the overheads. I have several 35mm SLRs, but these days, even the Canon = A95 stays home in favor of my camera phone. And I'll gladly take a = macchiato or breve from *$ when I'm on the road or in the airport and = beginning to fade--and that Green Mermaid sign comes into = view. On Nov 10, 2006, at 8:47 PM, Heat + Beans --all the = rest is commentary wrote:
This thread is almost meaningless to me. If I can't find a shop like Stumptown or Barefoot roasters, I will go without. Now that I have an Areopress, I don't see any reason to go without. If I were really in a pinch like antelope hunting, I would pre-grind and vacuum seal individual servings. Les On 11/10/06, Sandy Andina wrote: <Snip>
IMO, Just about ANY thread with 29 posts is going to have trouble holding on to "meaning." But I do find some meaning here in the nooks and crannies. It's interesting that for some people, less-than-excellent coffee is intolerable; whereas for myself and some others, there's a contiunum. Admittedly, I've been known to open a foil pack of grounds and pop it into my hotel room Mr. Coffee, just to negotiate the crowd until I could make it into the closest Starbucks. But I'm not entirely sure that my "coffee standards" are any lower than those who'd rather "go without." (not that I'm suggesting thay you've made that judgement). I think it's probably more a personality thing than a cupping matter. There are some people who cannot abide by decaf and disparage it with the same intensity that they and others serve up on Starbucks. Personally, I know the difference between the good stuff the lesser quality, but there are still times when decaf or just plain bad coffee can be enjoyable -----or at least better than no coffee at all. Martin On 11/10/06, Les wrote: <Snip> -- Martin Heat + Beans all the rest is commentary