"Carlos" my faithful espresso machine (Expobar Office Control) for the past 3 years has been put in storage. "Fritz" my Olympia Cremina just makes better espresso, ristrettos, and Cappos. He is a little more work for doing Americanos. I am making drinks for only 2 or 3 people so Fritz is up to the task. This morning as I type I am enjoying a very nice cappo of a 50/50 blend of Yemen Mokha Sana'ai and Guatemala FTO Quiche-Maya. For those looking for chocolate, this is hard to beat! So with all the talk of PID, double boilers, I have gone backwards in technology and am enjoying some of the most excellent espresso I know. Les
Glad to hear about "Fritz". I've felt like a virgin only suspecting I was married to the world's finest lover...
--Apple-Mail-1-294392366 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset -ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Les, You trying to start my upgrade fever running again ? And here I thought I could be satisfied with just the Expobar. Now you have me thinking of new machines .. but what direction do I look in now.. LOL.. By the by .. the tamper is great !! .. thanks, --John On Nov 11, 2006, at 10:06 AM, Les wrote: <Snip> -------------- John F. Coffey Email - john P.O. Box 524 Blaine, WA 98231 --Apple-Mail-1-294392366 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset O-8859-1 Les,
If you are thinking of upgrading to a lever, don't fail to consider this new boy in town. http://www.home-barista.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t#59 The Gaggia Achille. The only 58 mm, HX lever. At 14:46 11/11/2006, you wrote: <Snip> John Nanci AlChemist at large Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.chocolatealchemy.com/
The Achille has some interesting features. Do you use this one John? I was viewing the fellow pulling a shot and either he was working the shot extremely hard or there was little thought given to countering the forces acting on the machine's structure.
I think most upright-boiler levers behave that way. I know my Europiccola certainly does. Little thought is perhaps a tad rough...I'm not sure on the math, but I know there is a considerable amount of force being applied to the base where it meets the boiler. Alchemist...you're pretty quick with the calculations--how much force is (roughly; my lever, for example, is 25cm long from the piston shaft) being applied at the base of the boiler? --Derek On 11/12/06, Tom Ulmer wrote: <Snip> -- http://www.novernae.comHome of the Wandering Sloth
I have 23 years of experience pulling that hard on my Olympia Cremina. I can't speak for the durability or lifespan of the Achille or the other machines but I'm sure I will wear out before the Cremina does. On 11/12/06, Tom Ulmer wrote: <Snip> -- MichaelB
Little thought is definitely NOT what is happening. This guy knows his stuff. Also, I don't know which video you watched, but most people hold the PF handle to steady the machine and counter said pressure on the structure. It would surprise me if he is not holding the handle out of view. The vertical pressure you apply on the handle is around 40-50 lbs, so the base sees around 30-40 foot pounds of torque. Not insignificant but normal. As for working the shot hard, it takes quite a bit of strength to pull a good consistent shot. I don't have the Achille, although it is on the want list. But at $1200, it is a bit high for me at the moment. I own both a Cremina and a Gaggia Factory. Maybe if I sell both, I could by the Achille, but not right now. At 07:28 11/12/2006, you wrote: <Snip> John Nanci AlChemist at large Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.chocolatealchemy.com/
http://www.home-barista.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2359&start=140Take a look at the second video. To me appears that the boiler lists = about 5° during the pull. This is my observation any; as well as my point of contention. The list of the boiler is may indicate a potential flaw that over time may lead to failure. It never occurred to me to question whether the fellow in the video had little thought as it appeared that he was quite intentional and = conscious of his actions.
On 11/13/06, Tom Ulmer wrote: <Snip> t <Snip> It is quite a list, but I suspect it's comparable to that of other similarly-built levers. The boiler is taller, so the listing becomes more obvious. I know my Pavoni lists, as they've done since they were born. I've heard of bases rusting and weakening, but never heard of a properly-cared-for machine breaking at that point. But it's certainly possible. <Snip> of <Snip> Personally, I assumed you were questioning Gaggia. --Derek -- http://www.novernae.comHome of the Wandering Sloth
Subject: +Expobar put in storage <Snip> I was thinking that Carlos Expobar sounds like the name of a Colombian drug lord and he should be "put away." Of course, my machine, Vito Vetrano, sounds like a character on the Sopranos. Mike