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Topic: Dump old water from Miss Silvia? (21 msgs / 727 lines)
1) From: David Morgenlender
I'm curious ...  if you filled Miss Silvia (or any other expresso machine=
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that matter) after using, and then not used the machine for 2 weeks (I =
know
there's no excuse for this :) !), would you dump the old water before =
using the
machine again (especially if it's really a pain to do given the cabinet =
above
it, etc.)?
Dave
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2) From: Sandy Andina
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Yes. But I would do a "gravity dump" if it's too much of a pain to  
pull the reservoir out from under the cabinet--just run all the water  
out the steam wand and grouphead, thoroughly wipe the tank with first  
a clean damp and then a dry towel, then run some clean water through  
to rinse it.
On Nov 16, 2006, at 12:48 PM, David Morgenlender wrote:
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Yes. But I would do a "gravity =
dump" if it's too much of a pain to pull the reservoir out from under =
the cabinet--just run all the water out the steam wand and grouphead, =
thoroughly wipe the tank with first a clean damp and then a dry towel, =
then run some clean water through to rinse it.
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2006, at 12:48 PM, David Morgenlender wrote:
I'm curious ... = if you filled Miss Silvia (or any other expresso machine = forthat matter) after using, and = then not used the machine for 2 weeks (I knowthere's no excuse for this :) !), would you dump the = old water before using themachine again = (especially if it's really a pain to do given the cabinet = aboveit, etc.)? Dave Morgenlendere-mail: dmorgenhomeroast mailing listhttp://li=sts.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroastTo change your personal list settings (digest = options, vacations, unsvbscribes) go to http://=sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings = Sandywww.sass-music.com
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3) From: Tom Ulmer
No.

4) From: Angelo
If it's that much trouble to deal with the cabinets, put Silvia on 
some sort of sliding base. Of course, this might cause it to slide 
around when you're putting in the portafilter...Compromises, compromises!!...
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5) From: Angelo
Another thing you can do is to siphon it out and in. You can get 
siphon hoses in pet shops and/or hardware stores. Ace hardware has 
one for about 3 bucks..You might have to use a hose instead of the 
tube depending on the cabinet clearance...
A+
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6) From: Eddie Dove
Remodel the kitchen.
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7) From: raymanowen
No. Now you call your kitchen design into question. -ro

8) From: miKe mcKoffee
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Geeze, speaking from owning a Siliva 3&1/2 years she doesn't weight THAT
much and isn't hard to move. Compared to a machine like the Bricoletta
Silvia is down right light.
 
But yes, considering the importance of good water if were me I'd definitely
remove, dump and wipe out the reservoir AND then flush the boiler with fresh
water.
 
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee 
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc: http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htm
Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.  
From: homeroast-admin
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Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 7:22 PM
Remodel the kitchen.
On 11/16/06, David Morgenlender  wrote: 
I'm curious ...  if you filled Miss Silvia (or any other expresso machine
for
that matter) after using, and then not used the machine for 2 weeks (I know
there's no excuse for this :) !), would you dump the old water before using
the 
machine again (especially if it's really a pain to do given the cabinet
above
it, etc.)?
Dave

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Dave:
I would suggest that you dump the old water. Why would you want to use good roasted beans with shitty water?
If your space is that close I suggest moving the machine to a spot that will have better access for water and for cleaning.
I use only enough h2o in my machine's that will brew/espress what I want that day/time of day. The reservoirs are then rinsed out for the next brew/shots.
stale, shitty water = the same for your great roasted beans. Don't sell them short any longer.
ginny
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10) From: Tom Ulmer
Gin:
If the water is effervescent or high in mineral content I get your point but
I think that a still, low mineral water would not suffer at two weeks in a
sealed reservoir. 
Have you made espresso with Sanfaustino?

11) From: David Morgenlender
Unfortunately, a sliding base adds height, which means I'll have trouble =
fitting
cups & stuff on top.  As it is, the portafilter is such a tight fit, poor=
 Miss
Silvia gets dizzy from twisting around while I try to get the PF handle =
to face
forward :) !  More than once, I've tried grabbing the grouphead to get =
Miss
Silvia to hold still ... not the smartest move!
As somebody else suggested, I really need to redesign my kitchen :) !
Dave
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12) From: David Morgenlender
Eddie,
I like that idea ... but you've gotta tell my wife, because I wouldn't =
dare :) !
As it is, she thinks I'm crazy for spending almost $500 on an espresso =
machine
(& more on Rocky)!
BTW, it took something very extreme to get her to agree to those =
purchases in
the first place.  I was trying to come up with a good strategy to get her=
 to
agree (without any success), when I noticed something strange in our =
checking
account, which she is responsible for maintaining (reconciling, etc.).  =
It seems
she had been making duplicate entries in our checking account for some =
"small"
expenditures ... like our mortgage payment!  I had been wondering why she=
 kept
saying we needed more money in there, and we were taking out of savings =
... but
I'd been too busy to look into it.  Even she had trouble finding reasons =
to say
"no" to my purchases when I had just "found" money far exceeding this =
expense!
That's what I call good timing & fortune!  In hindsight, I should have =
hidden
some of that found money to spend in cash at a later date (I really would=
 like
to buy a GeneCafe roaster) ... I'm too honest :) !
Dave
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13) From: David Morgenlender
Mike,
It's not just Silvia, but it means moving Rocky, etc.  However, I did end=
 up
sucking it up & moving her.  She's much heavier with a full load of =
water!  I
dumped the water, flushed the boiler, etc.  I forgot to wipe out the =
tank,
although I did rinse it.  That's going to have to be good enough!
But the espresso (all 3 shots - 1 Brazil Yellow Bourbon, 2 Donkey) were =
very
mediocre & I doubt the water was the problem, although I can't be sure.  =
There
was no bitterness, but there was also no sweetness;  the shots tasted
overpoweringly strong.  It seems the very first shot I pulled on Silvia =
(my
first on a "real"  espresso machine) was really good;  but it's been all
gradually downhill since then.  I think it's time to do some reading, and=
 start
using my bottomless PF!
Dave
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14) From: David Morgenlender
Ginny,
I wish I had a good place to move the machine to.  There are low cabinets=
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all counter space in the kitchen.  By putting Silvia next to the sink, I =
get a
few inches of clearance over one side, which allows me to fill Silvia =
using a
pitcher.
Dave
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15) From: Claus Thøgersen
HI,
Yes 2 weeks I would change water, but in genral water kept for a few days 
with low humidity and normal room temperature in my view really does not 
matter. Of course you can always change the water each time just in case, 
but any reason why water should go bad in a few days should be backed up by 
reasonable evidence or eeven better tested to show the degradation.
Claus
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Emne: Re: +Dump old water from Miss Silvia?
Ginny,
I wish I had a good place to move the machine to.  There are low cabinets 
over
all counter space in the kitchen.  By putting Silvia next to the sink, I get 
a
few inches of clearance over one side, which allows me to fill Silvia using 
a
pitcher.
Dave
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16) From: Sandy Andina
Assuming you have enough counter in front of the machine, tilt the  
machine ever so slightly, just enough to slip one of those thin and  
flexible cutting boards (the thickness of a guitar pick). Then, pull  
the cutting board forward --the machine will come with it--just  
enough to be able to remove the cup warmer and pull out the tank.
On Nov 17, 2006, at 3:04 PM, David Morgenlender wrote:
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17) From: Eddie Dove
David,
Not a problem ... I am here to help.  Just send me her email address.
Eddie
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18) From:
Tom:
Sanfaustino?  not yet but I will this weekend.
I really must disagree with the water issue. I think all standing water gets stale. 
Ture it may not be open like a dog bowl and get "stuff" in it but clearly it gets stale.
I will try a little experiment to see.
gin
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well, you can cut a hole in the cabinet shelf right about where the h2o goes, add a bit of fresh water as needed, you can run a blank or two to empty the machine, no need to move it out until you clean it!
gin
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20) From: David Morgenlender
Sandy,
I do barely have enough counter (at least when I move other stuff that =
might
have been there temporarily by a certain non-coffee person :) !).  Great
suggestion!  But it triggered another idea ... something I've used in the=
 past
for computers ... keeping a plastic sheet underneath to serve the same =
purpose.
It's easier to use than a cutting board (unless the board is very =
flexible),
since I can grab a bunch of plastic to pull.  Also, it adds just about no
height.  OTOH, the plastic does tend to curl up, so it starts becoming =
noticable
& ugly.
I just noticed in your message you said the board is "the thickness of a =
guitar
pick".  That's certainly thin enough!  I've never seen one that thin, but=
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have to look for one.
Thanks!
Dave
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21) From: David Morgenlender
Eddie,
Thanks for the very helpful offer :) !  It's actually not a bad idea =
though ...
I'll email her.  Then as long as I only come home when she's not home =
I'll be
all set!
Dave
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