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Topic: Hot top or Gene Cafe? (22 msgs / 1251 lines)
1) From: miKe mcKoffee
Personally I'd recommend neither! Instead a P1. Then mod it ala Mike (just
plain) into a PID Ubber Popper. You'll have equal batch size to HT or GC
with total profile control, automated profile control at that. AND for less
money than either HT or GC. OR contact Mike (jp) about possibility of buying
a ready to go Ubber Popper.
But by then he may have his designed and built sub $1k full pounder ready to
market...
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
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2) From: Steve Hay
If large is the key word there might want to consider an RK Drum.  That
said, my uninformed vote goes for the Gene Cafe because I like the interfac=
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better.  At least if I had to choose that's how I'd go.
Personally I'm enjoying the zen of my SC/TO especially so without
temperature measurements to guide me.  (Thermocouple on the way, these guys
keep saying...)
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3) From: True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69)
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First Happy Thanksgiving to all from the Indian Ocean! (it is already
turkey day here currently we are 12 hours ahead of West Coast)
 
When I get back home next summer I want to get a larger roaster  I am
debating between the HT and the GC if price isn't a factor what should I
be looking for between the 2 to help me figure out which one is better
for my needs?
 
 
Dennis
AKA
FC1(SW) Dennis W. True
CS/CS-5
USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN 69)
FPO AE 09532-2830
 
Man of many hats!
HG/DB and Z&D roasting in the Indian Ocean
 "On station and on point 163 and counting down..." 
"Direct support for troops on the ground is only a call away in support
of Operation Eagle!"
 

4) From: Gil Brandenburg
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I've had my Gene Cafe for 3 months now.  It replaced an Alpenroast.  I =
can't
say enough good about the GC.  It produces a much more consistent roast =
than
I ever got with the Alps.  It also seems to be built like a "tank"!  The
only drawback I read about here is the slow cool-down period.  Some here
remove the drum at the end of the roast and dump the beans into =
home-made
cooling contraptions.  For me, I just stop the roast a little short of =
where
I want the finished beans to be and it works great.
 
Hope you had a great Thanksgiving and thanks for your service!
 
Gil  
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Subject: +Hot top or Gene Cafe?
First Happy Thanksgiving to all from the Indian Ocean! (it is already =
turkey
day here currently we are 12 hours ahead of West Coast)
 
When I get back home next summer I want to get a larger roaster  I am
debating between the HT and the GC if price isn’t a factor what should =
I be
looking for between the 2 to help me figure out which one is better for =
my
needs?
 
 
Dennis
AKA
FC1(SW) Dennis W. True
CS/CS-5
USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN 69)
FPO AE 09532-2830
 
Man of many hats!
HG/DB and Z&D roasting in the Indian Ocean
 “On station and on point 163 and counting down…" 
”Direct support for troops on the ground is only a call away in =
support of
Operation Eagle!"
 
 
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5) From: Aaron
Dennis, if you are going to bring this on the boat at all, you might 
want to go with the Gene Cafe.  It seems a bit smaller to lug around, 
and does about the same amount of coffee per batch.
Do yourself a favor with these, given they are computer driven, put a 
surge supressor on it when you run it.  I know what power is like on the 
boats and you don't need a spike from a pump cycling or an idiot 
electrician paralleling at 3 o clock or something to give it a hit.
Aaron

6) From: Fletcher D Walters
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I agree with Gil. My GC also replaced a worn out AlpineRoast and I am e=
xtremely happy with it. =

7) From: Eddie Dove
Dennis,
I have a Gene Cafe and I really like it.  I get consistent roasts, excellen=
t
flavor and adjustability.  One of the best features though is that I just
use it, empty the chaff collector and put it away; ease of use and
convenience is great.  However, I have no objective means by which to
compare it to the Hottop.
Eddie
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8) From: Brett Mason
Speaking of roasters, I picked up a Poppery 1500W popper yesterday at a
Salvation Army thrift store (good to be back in SoCal)...  I may actually
mod this one as directed by so many helpful people on this list...  All my
roasters so far are seat-of-the-pants visual zen roasting incarnations...
No, I don't roast in carnations - that's next spring....
Sipping my Colombia Excelso - Guatemala Fraijanes drip, watching the Macy's
Thanksgiving Day Parade.  Yep you guessed it, that's my son, C3C Joshua
Mason, 2nd from the left in the back row of the Air Force Academy Chorale -
singing on Macy's stage!  Last night they sang Carnegie Hall - he loved it -
was better than the Sydney Opera House...  Tomorrow night they sing at St.
Patrick's...
Happy Thanksgiving one and all!
Brett
On 11/23/06, True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69)  wrote:
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9) From: Bob Brashear
True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69) wrote:
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Dennis,
I've used the HT (digital model)for about four months. Put a fair amount 
of coffee through it and am very happy. Simple to operate. Easy to hear 
1st and 2nd crack. The cooling system is excellent. Chaff collection 
leaves a bit to be desired. Every four or five roasts, you need to take 
the chamber area apart and remove chaff and small beans/bean parts. This 
is easy to do. Instructions that come with the HT and from SM are detailed.
What would I wish for? Simple computer profiling. A one pound capacity. 
Better chaff collection.
The HT is a good machine. The price is worth it. I've learned a lot 
about roasting. Some great coffee has come out of it.
Thinking about it, the primary reason I chose the HT over the GC was the 
cooling issue.
Take care.
Bob

10) From: True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69)
This won't be for ship board use this will be in my Garage at home after
I get back, I just have found that more and more people want me to roast
coffee for them. I am planning on a RK Drum set up too but wanted to get
at least one or 2 more roasters to learn and enjoy the best of each. As
well as being able to do a side by side comparison etc...
 
Sounds like a lot of GC roasters How about you Hottoppers out there and
suggestions?
 
 
Dennis
AKA
FC1(SW) Dennis W. True
CS/CS-5
USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN 69)
FPO AE 09532-2830
 
Man of many hats!
HG/DB and Z&D roasting in the Indian Ocean
 "On station and on point 163 and counting down..." 
"Direct support for troops on the ground is only a call away in support
of Operation Eagle!"

11) From: DJ Garcia
I clean the chamber once a year - maybe. Normally all I do is just dump
the chaff tray after the roast. The chamber keeps pretty clean - nothing
seems to accumulate in it. And I like chaffy coffes, like some of the
Ethiopians. Interesting you find it necessary to clean the chamber that
often. How about some of the other HT owners?
DJ

12) From: Maryann & Dave Schellenberg
I'm surprised you can get away with doing it that infrequently.
After about three roasts (not counting decaf) the right hand side of the 
chamber, just above where the chaff tray slides in, will have a pile of 
chaff the length of the chamber, and there will also be some at the far 
end of the chamber. Also, once a while a small bean will get stuck in a 
hole in the drum, and will char there.
When I roasted outside I could just tilt the roaster over the railing of 
my deck, blow through the bean chute, and most of the chaff would fly 
out the chaff tray slot.
Now (winter) I have to take the four screws out, and stick the vacuum 
cleaner wand inside.
Dave S.
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13) From: Brian Kamnetz
Brett,
Congrats on scoring the P1!!!!
Brian
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14) From: Eddie Dove
Yesterday, I roasted 8 consecutive 230g batches.  Six of the batches were
the Idido Misty Valley (1 lb was a gift) and two of the batches were Brazil
Yellow Bourbon.  When I was getting ready to put it away, I remembered to
empty the chaff collector (I had forgotten), which entails emptying it in
the trash can.  As I think back, I think this was one of the deciding
factors for me to purchase the Gene Cafe instead of the Hottop because I
wanted to be able to roast indoors.  If I remember correctly, the Hottop
also had several filters that have to be tended to periodically.  It seemed
like more hassle to me ...
I hope Barry will chime in here because I think he roasts indoors with his
Hottop.
Eddie
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15) From: Maryann & Dave Schellenberg
I think you may have that backwards - Barry lives in Hawaii and I can't 
imagine him roasting indoors with all that scenery to look at while he's 
roasting.
I, on the other hand, live in Winnipeg, where to survive I roast indoors 
from October to April.
The Hottop has two filters - one on top of the roast chamber which acts 
as the air inlet for when the fan sucks air through the roast chamber. I 
don't know why it would need to be filtered, and I believe the Hottop 
people suggest checking it once a year.
The other is at the outlet end of the roaster, to keep chaff from inside 
the chamber from blowing around your kitchen when the fan comes on. 
Following Randy Glass' (Google for Espresso! My Espresso!) instructions, 
I replaced the cloth fan with a metal mesh one, that only needs to be 
rinsed once in a while.
Does it smell up the kitchen? Yes, for about a day. I've grown to like 
that smell.
Does it produce smoke? Yes, (especially when I eject the beans) most of 
which goes up the range hood. It's good to have the window open a crack 
at that time.
Dave S.
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16) From: Eddie Dove
Thanks Dave!
Ditto on Smoke, smell and range hood for Gene Cafe.
Eddie
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17) From: David Schooley
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I went with the HotTop when faced with the same decision. I started  
with an iRoast, and I wanted something that used radiant and  
conductive heating instead of hot air. The Gene Cafe has the  
temperature knob but most people are cranking the temperature up all  
the way with some backing it down between first and second crack.
My HotTop arrived on Monday and I have done 7 roasts, 8 counting the  
"Colomiba" beans included with the roaster. (I munched a couple of  
the "Colomiba" beans, and let's just say that I will not be drinking  
them.) With the HotTop, I can hear every crack and even the "poof"  
sounds made by the pieces of chaff when they explode into flame  
inside the roaster. I will be posting a "HotTop First Impressions  
from an iRoast User" message later this weekend. It is safe to say  
that I have enjoyed the coffee that came out of my iRoast, and I am  
very happy with the HotTop.
I do not think you can go wrong with either machine.
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I went with the HotTop when =
faced with the same decision. I started with an iRoast, and I wanted =
something that used radiant and conductive heating instead of hot air. =
The Gene Cafe has the temperature knob but most people are cranking the =
temperature up all the way with some backing it down between first and =
second crack. 
My HotTop arrived on Monday = and I have done 7 roasts, 8 counting the "Colomiba" beans included with = the roaster. (I munched a couple of the "Colomiba" beans, and let's just = say that I will not be drinking them.) With the HotTop, I can hear every = crack and even the "poof" sounds made by the pieces of chaff when they = explode into flame inside the roaster. I will be posting a "HotTop = First Impressions from an iRoast User" message later this weekend. It is = safe to say that I have enjoyed the coffee that came out of my iRoast, = and I am very happy with the HotTop.
I do not think you can go = wrong with either machine.
On Nov 23, 2006, = at 1:32 AM, True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69) wrote:

First Happy = Thanksgiving to all from the Indian = Ocean! (it is already turkey day here currently we = are 12 hours ahead of West Coast)

 

When I get back home next summer I want to get a larger = roaster  I am debating between the HT and the GC if price isn’t a = factor what should I be looking for between the 2 to help me figure out = which one is better for my needs?

 
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18) From: Barry Luterman
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No living in Hawaii I roast outdoors year round. The filters are no =
problem I replaced the disposable paper filter with a permanent metal =
filter from a computer fan. The top filter only has to be changed once a =
year. I think it's possible to rinse it out and get another year from =
it. The same with the paper filters. before I went to the metal filter. =
I rinsed them out after 20 roasts and then used them for another 20 =
roasts. Dave Mazzad a newbie was over here all morning we roasted three =
batches with the Hottop and he left impressed.

19) From: DJ Garcia
OK, I need to rephrase my statement :-). I don't take the drum out or
anything apart. After every two or three roasts, or after a really
chaffy roast, I use one of those long bottle-cleaning brushes though the
chaff tray opening and brush around inside and up the sides. Takes about
10 seconds. I also tip the HT vertical and tap it up and down a couple
of times after every roast, after the brushing if it happened. If I
brush, I also do a quick swipe inside the drum. That usually removes the
left-over bean or two. Otherwise, I just remove the verry-charred black
bean from the cooling tray during roast chaf removal at the end :-). I
get one of those avery 3-4 roasts.
This whole thing takes less than 30 seconds, totally painless, and I
only remove the chaff tray and the front cover - no actual disassembly,
which is the impression I got was required to keep the chaff out. And I
do it in the kitchen, where I roast.
So, yes a bit of work but nothing by any means major.
Cheers!

20) From: Jim Anderson
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I am using a i Roast2 and want to make the step to the HT. I will be
looking forward to your review.
Jim

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I contacted Barry from the list and had a real lesson today on the  
art of craft. Starting out with the most perfect Cap I have ever had  
we did a few roasts and had more great coffee. I was definitely  
schooled. Barry roasts are spot on perfect with the Hottop, nice long  
roasts with a steady ramp up and his shots marbled with tiger  
striping beyond what I have been doing. Thanks again Barry, very  
impressive!
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I contacted Barry from the list =
and had a real lesson today on the art of craft. Starting out with the =
most perfect Cap I have ever had we did a few roasts and had more great =
coffee. I was definitely schooled. Barry roasts are spot on perfect =
with the Hottop, nice long roasts with a steady ramp up and his shots =
marbled with tiger striping beyond what I have been doing. Thanks again =
Barry, very impressive! 
On Nov 24, = 2006, at 1:50 PM, Barry Luterman wrote:
No living in Hawaii I = roast outdoors year round. The filters are no problem I replaced the = disposable paper filter with a permanent metal filter from a computer = fan. The top filter only has to be changed once a year. I think it's = possible to rinse it out and get another year from it. The same with the = paper filters. before I went to the metal filter. I rinsed them out = after 20 roasts and then used them for another 20 roasts. Dave Mazzad a = newbie was over here all morning we roasted three batches with the = Hottop and he left impressed.

22) From: Michael Wade
Dennis, I've been working on the same decision.  I've decided on the Hottop, 
but I'm waiting til after the first of the year in hopes of hearing more 
about the programmable model that is supposed to be in the works.
I have trouble hearing the cracks in air poppers (I own both a HearthWare 
Precision and an iR2), and I've read several comments from Gene owners 
saying that they do also.  That and the slow cool-down were factors, but not 
being able to get a thermocouple into the bean mass was the final kicker.
Right now I'm roasting with HG/DB and loving it, I've never learned so much 
about how the beans behave; but down deep I'm still a technical kind of guy 
and will want something more controllable and repeatable.  (My long-term 
dream is that our company will eventually be successful enough that I can do 
some business with Jeffrey Pawlan!)
In the meantime, if you haven't tried it, get a heatgun and a stainless bowl 
and go for it.  It's a kick!   Petco sells a huge stainless dogbowl that 
will roast any amount you've got the arm strength and the patience for.
Merry Christmas,
Michael Wade


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