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Topic: BM Motor Mod Problem (16 msgs / 407 lines)
1) From: Chad
Okay, a bit ashamed but here it goes. I stole my wifes breadmaker, cut 2 
holes in the front, installed two light switches (like on your wall) one 
for the motor and the other for heat. I bypassed the circuit board for 
the motor. I thought I wired it corrrectly but when I flip the swith, 
the motor humms/buzzs/vibrates and doesn't turn. I swapped the power 
leads and got the same result. It is grounded through the screws in the 
base plate. Do those switches not work? Am I crazy? Any help would be 
appreciated- off line or by list!
Chad
Running Springs, CA

2) From: Aaron
sounds like either you forgot a start cap or it's a pwm motor (kind of 
like a servo) and not a conventional AC motor.  Try turning it on and 
giving it whirl by hand and see if it starts that way, don't leave it on 
too long though, a stalled motor is bad.  Given the torque of one of 
those I doubt a shading pole would work.
If you can, trace out the main power circuit that fed the motor, if it's 
fed through scr's then it's probably pwm ish and you can't really run it 
w/o the circuit board to do it.
Also, the grounded through the screws in the base plate comment scares 
me.  What exactly is grounded? the case of the motor?  the bread machine 
itself what?
aaron
aaron

3) From: RK
Just a thought and I"m not and electrical engineer. but I would guess that 
the board has a start capacitor in line to get the motor going or a run 
capacitor and the motor will not work  properly without it.
Someone smarter then me will give the correct detailed answer.
RK

4) From: Sheila Quinn
Uh-oh, you're in trouble now! Once your wife sees what you did to her 
breadmaker, I don't think you'll be needing any switches. You might, 
however, be needing a new place to stay for a while. :)
Sheila
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5) From: Peter Zulkowski
Chad,
On the BM's I have seen there is also a capacitor there to start the motor.
It is half the size of a deck of cards and is mounted beside the motor.
If you just took the wires off of the circuit board it should still be 
in the circuit, if not, try and put the wiring back together and just 
remove from the circuit board.
Hope this helps, but if you need a picture I can take one of my setup 
and post it this evening.
Good luck,
PeterZ
Still hates cap start motors, here in LHC.
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6) From: raymanowen
It has a PSC motor (Permanent Split Capacitor, not Pacific Salmon
Commission)
These high torque motors do indeed have starting capacitors. Without the
capacitor connected to the motor's windings, there is no starting torque. I=
t
will just hum and get hot if you leave it powered.
There is no start switch, so the capacitor is always connected to the motor=
.
You're just missing the capacitor connection
As has already been said, return the wiring to standard configuration. Note
that there are three or four wires coming from the motor.
Two wires are permanently connected to the capacitor. These wires may be
routed through the circuit board to the cap, but they won't do anything in
the board itself.
With the wiring reconnected normally, you should be able to plug the machin=
e
in and get the motor to run. If you swapped the wires on the terminals, the
motor will either run normally, backwards or not run.
If it won't run at all, maybe you'd better start! Just take Peter up on his
kind offer.
There is no wrong connection of the two wires at the capacitor. It's a
start/ run cap, so doesn't care if it gets AC or CA.
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
??"hates cap start motors"?? -Rather have brushes or start switches!
Weakfish motors. Three phase is OK. From where get 3 power run motor?
On 12/8/06, Peter Zulkowski  wrote:
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7) From: Vicki Smith
I meant to ask Stu, who, did the unassisted bread machine mod pictured 
on the CG site http://tinyurl.com/y5ofdu,but now that you're here...
How much can you roast at once in the bread machine modded this way? It 
looks like his batches are pretty small, at least compared to the pound+ 
roasts you can do with an unmodded machine and a HG or TO as a heat source.
vicki
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8) From: Chad
I'm not in trouble- she has used it twice. Once the bread came out hard 
as a rock and the second time was salty (didn't click the  pan in right 
so none of the ingredients mixed). She could do it but doesn't care to.
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9) From: Chad
Peter,
A picture would be great. I don't see it. There is a (capacitor?) in 
line on the power lead and I left it. I removed it after it didn't work 
and got the same result. I put it back inline but I don't think that is 
what you are referring to (it is a small barrel). I'm interested to see 
your picture. If that doesn't help, I can post a picture. Thanks for the 
help! I can't wait to get this working.
Chad
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10) From: Sheila Quinn
I was only kidding. I'm sure it will be a lot more useful for coffee 
roasting. I know several people with bread machines who haven't had much 
luck with them as far as bread making! They don't all seem to work that 
well, but I've never had one myself.
Sheila
Chad wrote:
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11) From: David Yeager
At 12:55 AM 12/9/2006, you wrote:
 >Peter,
 >A picture would be great. I don't see it. There is a (capacitor?) in
 >line on the power lead and I left it. I removed it after it didn't work
 >and got the same result. I put it back inline but I don't think that is
 >what you are referring to (it is a small barrel). I'm interested to see
 >your picture. If that doesn't help, I can post a picture. Thanks for the
 >help! I can't wait to get this working.
 >Chad
 >
Hi Chad,
Going around the circuit board seems inviting, but it's not really 
necessary or desirable, IMHO.
A little trial-and-error with the low-voltage connectors (small 
wires) will reveal where to put a simple toggle switch.  A multimeter 
helps with this task.  Find the ground wire. then walk through the 
four or five possibilities until you find the one that gives a steady 
run, rather than pulsed or time-limited.
Post a picture and I'll see if I can help.
David

12) From: Bill Morgan
The one I took apart had four wires coming from the motor.  Two of them went
to a "black box" capacitor and the other two went to the circuit board.
Pictures here:http://homepage.mac.com/bilmor/PhotoAlbum6.htmlIn the first picture, the blue/yellow pair came from the motor to the
circuit board.  The red/blue pair at the left is an irrelevant fan motor.
The second picture shows the red/blue pair from the motor to the capacitor.
The red/blue pair at the right is the same irrelevant fan motor.
Applying power to the blue/yellow pair runs the motor just fine.
HTH,
Bill
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13) From: Peter Zulkowski
Bill,
You have exactly the same bread machine I have. I connected mine the 
same way :)
Thanks for posting the pictures and the explanation.
BTW, these things are not very heavy. I just tilt mine and dump the 
beans into a SS bowl when I am finished.
Sometimes I even lift it and turn it over to dump.
The bowl is always left attached to the BM.
Yup, I cool the beans first by blowing all the heat and chaff away with 
a hair drier on cool.
There are bm's out there that have the stirrer attached to the bread 
section.
There is a bearing in the bottom and a leak proof seal. When you take 
out the bread pan all this comes with it so no beans could ever fall 
through.
PeterZ
May be a bit warmer today, 70F, here in LHC
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14) From: raymanowen
We've had excellent bread results from two different machines. The trick has
always been to load the ingredients in the specified order. Read the manual
and bread recipe book carefully.
The DAK could even be loaded at night and set to start in the wee hours for
a fresh-baked hot loaf at wake-up in the morning. However, the machine can
be set to make dough so I can roll out some cinnamon rolls with pecans,
brown sugar, maybe honey etc.
Lieber Gott in Himmel- I'm not doing that anymore. I made 230 on that
intake, whole wheat and all.
Now, I just want to stay under 200. Believe it or not, Kettle corn helps,
and Kenyaaa!
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
"Eat to live, don't live to eat" - -dad

15) From: Sandy Andina
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Kettle corn? Even with all that sugar? I love regular popcorn, but  
even it is too high-glycemic for me: makes my blood sugar and then my  
insulin soar, and the popcorn--instead of my own fat--gets burned by  
my body.  Gotta stick with sprouted rye bread or bran wafers for the  
little bit of grain I can eat. Now, Kenya, OTOH.....
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Kettle corn? Even with all that =
sugar? I love regular popcorn, but even it is too high-glycemic for me: =
makes my blood sugar and then my insulin soar, and the popcorn--instead =
of my own fat--gets burned by my body. Gotta stick with sprouted rye =
bread or bran wafers for the little bit of grain I can eat. Now, Kenya, =
OTOH.....
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16) From: raymanowen
Yup, yup, Sandy-
I had to do something to mend the financial hemorrhaging, so instead of
hurtful junk snacks that all cost like crazy and contain several forms of
sugar anyway, I got 50# of popcorn- probably a year's worth- and some Kettle
corn mix, to get the list of ingredients, for < $20!
Now, when my grandson* comes over and the greeting is, "Hi, Nana, Hi Opa!
Opa, can you make some popcorn?" I've got it handled. The Stir Crazy 8 comes
out.
*That's Damian, if you mouse the cursing flasher over my gmail addy in the
header- Hah! It changes- now I get the Microsoft finger The picture ~ d/dt
(Ray) @ t= -60y.
The Stir Crazy was obviously going to be part of a roaster, but that all
changed when I saw it could do pop corn or Kettle corn very well. Why misuse
equipment?
My combinaton is 1c of popcorn kernels and 2 Tbsp Soy oil + 1tsp Coconut oil
in the Stir Crazy, then 1/4 c C12H22O11 + 1tsp granulated Lecithin + 1/4tsp
NaCl into the blender and turn it to dust/powder.
Sprinkle the dust/powder over the popcorn kernels+oil mix in the Stir Crazy,
cover and Plug It In. If you feel so moved, shake the Stir Crazy vertically
and laterally in all directions once it starts popping. It will literally
take off like Crazy and fill the 8 quart cover with popcorn or Kettle corn.
Unplug it before the last kernel pops. The very last ones will go on their
own.
What would happen if they all popped at once, or your green coffee all
cracked at once?
Just use 3/4 c of popcorn if you have the 6 quart dome cover on your Stir
Crazy. I have no idea what use is the black lid on top. Lose it in the same
drawer with the frothing dildo from your steam wand. Just something else to
clean up, but not if it's not there.
Clean up is totally quick and easy. Lean it in your sink and spray off the
popping pan with your sink sprayer.
CAREFUL! It will generate live steam when you first start spraying, but
that's the action you want. Just lean it in the sink- Don't be Holding on to
it. Burnie Burnie!
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
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