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Topic: From Oregon with Love Tradition (50 msgs / 1579 lines)
1) From: Les
Mike Dhabolt and I are offering a "no excuse" tradition.  This is 75% Mike
and 25% me.  Born from a discussion we had at the Espresso Jam at Mike
McKoffee's house, we are offering an Espresso kit.  This kit will be used by
the newbie braista for 3 months and then they will pass on the kit to the
next person.  The espresso kit contains the following goodies:
1. Gaggia Classic (This machine has been refurbished by Mike Dhabolt and has
been set at 202 degrees and 9 bars.)
2. Gaggia Crotchless PF (machined crotchless by Mike and a Myrtlewood handle
added by Les)
3. Zass Hand Grinder (Donated by Les)
4. Thor Tamper
5. Basic Instructions by Les and Mike
6. Frothing Pitcher
7. Frothing Thermometer
8. Some espresso cups, cleaning equipment, and various other items.
So no more whining about not being able to try espresso!  What is
interesting is that I tried a couple of people off list who wanted to try
espresso and they wouldn't bite on a pre-offer of this tradition.  However,
our wonderful member Linda Reese has agreed to be our first "tradition
winner."  I know some may not think this is fair, but we needed someone
willing to work with us to get the kinks out of this tradition.  So, about
the 2nd week in March we will be back on the list opening up the "From
Oregon with Love" tradition and have a drawing to see where the kit goes for
the next 3 months.  The only requirement is that you will need to pay the
shipping from Linda's house.  I will post a link to a picture of the
tradition tonight.  Many kudos and thanks to Plain Mike for getting the ball
rolling on this.  Call us crazy, but we are having fun!
Les
aka Dr. Crema

2) From: Rich M
Les
About 20 minutes ago, I was talking with a friend about breaking down  
and getting an espresso machine.  I'm a newcomer to the roasting  
scene, and my little iRoast2 isn't on the cutting edge of equipment,  
but so far I'm having a lot of fun and drinking what I believe to  be  
really good coffee.  Unfortunately, my impatient nature won't allow  
me to wait 3 months for the "no excuse" package.  Any input on what  
type/brand/features to look at?  Any info would be greatly appreciated!
Rich M
On Dec 11, 2006, at 10:27 AM, Les wrote:
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3) From: Vicki Smith
You guys are too good.
Getting folks started with espresso is such a great thing to do, Les.
I'm still in a holding pattern. I picked up the inherited PID'd Silvia 
on my last trip to NYC, but my son fell in love with it, and so I gave 
it to him.
It's on my wish list though, and I think Santa might just be good to me.
vicki
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4) From: Les
Rich,
Espresso 101 is the following:
You pay for power and stablility.
The minimum that you should buy would be a Gaggia Espresso at $219 and a
Rocky Doserless at $285.  This would get you in at just over $500.00.  Of
course I would recommend a nice Myrtlewood Thor tamper at $50.00, but I am
prejudice.  If you are looking at resale value on the espresso machine, I
would go for a Miss Silvia for $495.00.  If you never want to buy a grinder
again, get a Mazzer Mini at $479.  If I were starting over, I would bit the
bullet and get a Mazzer Mini and the Andreja ($1395.00) from Sweet Marias
and be set for many many years!
If you like steamed milk drinks you will want an HX machine or a double
boiler.  The least expensive is the Expobar Office Pulsar at less than
$800.00.  I have an Expobar and it is a good machine.  Double boiler
machines start at about $1500.00.  They have the most power and stability.
The grinder is the most important part of espresso, so I would put the bulk
of my dollars there.
Les
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5) From: Barry Luterman
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You guys really make me want to move to Portland . Wish I could of =
helped you get that tradition together.
 List-- I have met these three men and we are truly lucky to have them =
on our list as mentors.

6) From: Chad
WOW!
Extremely generous.
Thanks!
Chad
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7) From: Jared Andersson
Way to go Mike and Les.  I think the success of Alfred's library collection
tradition is a good indication that this will work well.  Jared
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8) From:
WHAT A COUPLE OF GREAT GUYS...
A fabulous Tradition. Complete for the new, wanna be, espresso queen or king.
I think you have created a new Tradition within a Tradition!
Thank you both.
ginny
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9) From: Kris McN
Holy Crap!  I so want to be on that list in 3 months!!
You guys ROCK!
Kris

10) From: Brian Kamnetz
Jared,
There is another example, and that is a modded popper that is making the
rounds (sorry, I can't remember the sponsor of that one...).
Brian
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11) From: Eddie Dove
Wow ... what generous tradition offering ... another reason why I love this
list ...
Rich ... Les just threw you a bunch of golden nuggets of information.
Eddie
On 12/11/06, Les  wrote:
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12) From: David Yeager
At 11:27 AM 12/11/2006, you wrote:
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You crazy guys are such hardcore teases!
Thanks for the great new tradition, Mike and Les.
David
Atlanta

13) From: Michael Dhabolt
Rich,
The following links are to articles, that in my humble opinion, are
essential reads for anyone considering flirting with the 'dark side'.http://www.coffeekid.com/other/newbies/espressois a bit dated but a
venerable tutorial oriented toward the specific question that you asked.http://www.coffeekid.com/espresso/minifaqis a presentation of the
distilled, essential truths concerning espresso.http://www.home-barista.com/espresso-guide.htmlwritten by Jim Schulman,
infrequent contributer to this list and all around sage, guru and mentor of
all things Espresso. Jim's guide is (in his own words); "an introduction to
espresso by an enthusiast for the budding enthusiast. It is not just about
techniques and equipment, but also the reasons behind them."
Re: From Oregon With Love Tradition.
A statement during the conversation went something like this: " It must be
tough, getting started with espresso, when you don't have access to espresso
shops that provide a benchmark against which you can measure your own
efforts".  BTW, even here in the meca of the espresso "third wave", it is
much more common to find shops that produce swill than nectar.
I ran across this Gaggia Coffee Classic shortly after that conversation at
miKes get together.  It is a thrift store 'find' that I walked by several
times while looking for Poppery 1s during my occasional sweep of this
particular store.  I have had no experience with the Gaggia machines, so in
the interest of personal education, I bought it to try it out.
In true coffee geek fashion, I rapidly turned the machine into a pile of
parts.  It suffered from a burnt out thermal link (the fuse thingee attached
to the boiler that burns out on over temperature), and a seriously corroded
boiler (aluminum boiler).  A quick trip to Radio Shack provided a
replacement thermal link and a short session at the milling machine and with
descaling solution returned the boiler to functional status.  Cleaning and
re-assembly returned the pile of parts to a functional machine.
Several sessions with my Scace Thermo-filter confirmed in my mind that I
couldn't get consistent shot temperatures (inter-shot) but did also confirm
that perfectly acceptable shots were possible.  I was surprised at how well
the little machine was able to produce froth (the frothing attachment on the
steam wand was missing when I purchased the machine).  Interest waned.
Several days later while surfing the different coffee sites and forums.....I
did a search for information concerning the Gaggia Classic on CG or HB or
one of the forums and came across a statement by Jim Schulman that indicated
an inherent weakness in the thermostats on these machines and recommended
replacement every few years.  This comment came to mind a couple days later
while I was ordering parts for another project from Espresso Parts North
West so I added a 'brew' thermostat to my parts order.
I installed the brew thermostat into the Gaggia, brought out the
thermofilter and data logger, ground..tamped..locked/loaded and pulled a
shot.  I was, to say the least, surprised.....a 'Good' shot.  A little time
analyzing with different heat up times, watching heater lights come on and
go off, cycling the steam switch on and off for various times just prior to
pulling the shot, and I discovered I could pull shots consistently at the
201 to 202 degree target needed for my espresso blend.  And 'Very Good'
shots ensued (pretty regularly).
About this time I thought about Doug Straits 'Traveling Roasters' which have
opened up the experience of true controllable profile roasting to a bunch of
list members.  The frequent comments on the list indicating that many folks
have never tasted 'good' espresso, made me think this machine may be useful
as an 'Introduction' to espresso in the same way as Dougs roasters are to
profile roasting.
A conversation with Les regarding the possibility of acquiring a second PF
(the original had already been machined to bottomless status) produced the
exceptional offer of adding to the 'tradition', a Thor and matching PF
handle for the Gaggia (and a custom built wood shipping box) along with his
good name and reputation.
Our hope is that, after 'working out the kinks' with Linda, this will open
up the world of the 'Dark Side' to those that just aren't sure that they
want to take the plunge.
Mike (just plain)

14) From: Jim De Hoog
Mike & Les,
What a great tradition offering.  I am looking forward to =
March rolling around.  I enjoy drinking a good espresso, but have not had t=
he opportunity to make.
Jim "Ice Bucket Roaster"
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l Message ----
From: Les 
To: homeroast=
eetmarias.com
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 10:27:04 AM
Subject: +Fro=
m Oregon with Love Tradition
Mike Dhabolt and I are offering a "no =
excuse" tradition.  This is 75% Mike and 25% me.  Born from a discussion we=
 had at the Espresso Jam at Mike McKoffee's house, we are offering an Espre=
sso kit.  This kit will be used by the newbie braista for 3 months and then=
 they will pass on the kit to the next person.  The espresso kit contains t=
he following goodies: 
1. Gaggia Classic (This machine has been refurbish=
ed by Mike Dhabolt and has been set at 202 degrees and 9 bars.)
2. Gaggia=
 Crotchless PF (machined crotchless by Mike and a Myrtlewood handle added b=
y Les)
3. Zass Hand Grinder (Donated by Les)
4. Thor Tamper 
5. Basic=
 Instructions by Les and Mike
6. Frothing Pitcher
7. Frothing Thermomet=
er
8. Some espresso cups, cleaning equipment, and various other items.
=
 
So no more whining about not being able to try espresso!  What is inter=
esting is that I tried a couple of people off list who wanted to try espres=
so and they wouldn't bite on a pre-offer of this tradition.  However, our w=
onderful member Linda Reese has agreed to be our first "tradition winner." =
 I know some may not think this is fair, but we needed someone willing to w=
ork with us to get the kinks out of this tradition.  So, about the 2nd week=
 in March we will be back on the list opening up the "From Oregon with Love=
" tradition and have a drawing to see where the kit goes for the next 3 mon=
ths.  The only requirement is that you will need to pay the shipping from L=
inda's house.  I will post a link to a picture of the tradition tonight.  M=
any kudos and thanks to Plain Mike for getting the ball rolling on this.  C=
all us crazy, but we are having fun! 
 
Les
aka Dr. Crema

15) From: Lynne
Les - Since I was the recipient of LIinda's offering (or was it 
actually Lucky's), let me say that she deserves to be the first! Not 
only did she pass the KMB to me, but she padded it with mucho SM 
greens!
(I think between Jeremy's and Linda's offerings, I have enough coffee 
for... well, from the looks of it, seems like forever.)
This list has the greatest people!
Lynne
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16) From: Julie H Tieszen
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Les,
Why do you say that if you like milk drinks that you need an HX machine =
or double boiler? Can you not make the milk drinks with the Gaggia =
Espresso or Miss Silvia? What is an HX machine by the way?
Still learning,
Julie

17) From: Les
Julie,
You can make milk drinks with the Gaggia or Miss Silvia.  However they are
single boiler machines.  With a single boiler you have an additional switch
that you have to activate to raise the boiler tempature to produce the
needed steam.  So, it is inconvenient to make milk drinks.  I made a
wonderful Cappo for my wife, Becky with the Gaggia.  However I had to wait
about 5 minutes and do a couple of flushes before pulling a double shot for
myself.  HX stands for heat exchanger.  On these types of machines the
boiler is at steaming temperature and the water for pulling shots runs
through a coiled tube in the boiler.  The advantage is that when you are
pulling the shot you can be steaming the milk at the same time. You also
have a hot water tap that is nice for Americanos.   A double boiler has
separate temp controls for both.  There are techniques that are fairly
simple to get accurate temperature shots from a HX machine.  Check out
Home-Barista if you want to learn more.
Les
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18) From: Julie H Tieszen
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Thanks!!

19) From: RK
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Holy Crap! my exact sentiments 
Way to go Mike and Les.
RK

20) From: TERRY TITSWORTH
I count my pennies to see what beans I can get...This is great....O.K. 3
month times 20 folks...Will the thing last 5 years...Ya have to know
me...T...all my life...Last in line...Sorry...NEXT to last...I forgot
Zerox...
Just kidding...I will be watching for the march posting...
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Start HOT and work your way Down...
Peppers AND Coffee.
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21) From: mikeraz
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This is so wonderfully generous.  Thanks guys.
-- 
      Michael Rasmussen, Portland Oregon  
    Be appropriate && Follow your curiosityhttp://fut.patch.com/">http://www.patch.com/words/orhttp://fut.patch.com/
  The fortune cookie says:
The English have no respect for their language, and will not teach
their children to speak it.
		-- G. B. Shaw

22) From: mikeraz
Michael Dhabolt wrote:
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Here in the meca of the espresso "third wave" what are the shops that
produce nectar?  
Michael (too many Mike's already)
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      Michael Rasmussen, Portland Oregon  
    Be appropriate && Follow your curiosityhttp://fut.patch.com/">http://www.patch.com/words/orhttp://fut.patch.com/
  The fortune cookie says:
Work smarter, not harder, and be careful of your speling.

23) From: Barbara Wilson
I would like to get on the list too, that is if I'm not in Ecuador 
running a coffee plantation when my turn comes.
Barbara

24) From: LInda Reese
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Les and Mike, I can't believe this kit, you guys have thought of =
everything! My friend Mike and I had a little espresso get-together this =
past Sunday (working with his new Elektra) and (with advanced knowledge =
of the Tradition) we debated the best way to get my coffee ground fine =
enough for espresso (I have a Solis Maestro Plus). We settled on =
bringing the coffee to his house, grinding it, then racing back to my =
house to pull shots! Admittedly, this plan had all the earmarks of an =
old "I Love Lucy" episode!  So the addition of the Zass grinder is quite =
a relief! As you know, we're hoping to have an Albany, NY gathering =
sometime after the first of the year and I'm certain the Espresso Kit =
will generate even more interest. This is such an incredibly thoughtful =
and generous tradition. An amazing opportunity for those of us yet to =
embark on the espresso journey. I will try to do it justice and promise =
to report back at every step of the way. Take care and thanks again for =
this amazing opportunity, Linda

25) From: Rich M
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Les-
Thanks for steering me toward the articles regarding all things  
espresso. I actually have a much better understanding of the process,  
equipment, and techniques involved.  I'm not yet sure which route  
I'll be traveling, but I'm certain it will end in the land of espresso.
Rich
ps.- Was at the mall earlier today and all the espresso talk made me  
crave one so I slipped into the local cafe for a double.  I KNOW I'll  
be able to top the swill they serve in a paper cup and charge $5.50 for.
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Les-Thanks for steering me =
toward the articles regarding all things espresso. I actually have a =
much better understanding of the process, equipment, and techniques =
involved.  I'm not yet sure which route I'll be traveling, but I'm =
certain it will end in the land of espresso.  
Richps.- Was at = the mall earlier today and all the espresso talk made me crave one so I = slipped into the local cafe for a double.  I KNOW I'll be able to top = the swill they serve in a paper cup and charge $5.50 = for. On Dec 11, 2006, at 2:56 PM, Les = wrote:
Julie, You can make milk drinks with the = Gaggia or Miss Silvia.  However they are single boiler machines.  = With a single boiler you have an additional switch that you have to = activate to raise the boiler tempature to produce the needed steam.  = So, it is inconvenient to make milk drinks.  I made a wonderful Cappo = for my wife, Becky with the Gaggia.  However I had to wait about 5 = minutes and do a couple of flushes before pulling a double shot for = myself.  HX stands for heat exchanger.  On these types of machines = the boiler is at steaming temperature and the water for pulling shots = runs through a coiled tube in the boiler.  The advantage is that when = you are pulling the shot you can be steaming the milk at the same time. = You also have a hot water tap that is nice for Americanos.   A = double boiler has separate temp controls for both.  There are = techniques that are fairly simple to get accurate temperature shots from = a HX machine.  Check out Home-Barista if you want to learn more. =   Les   On 12/11/06, Julie H = Tieszen <julieht> = wrote: Les,   Why do = you say that if you like milk drinks that you need an HX machine or = double boiler? Can you not make the milk drinks with the Gaggia Espresso = or Miss Silvia? What is an HX machine by the way? =   Still learning, = Julie = =

26) From: b cook
Speaking to a beginner setup - you can get into it for a little less than
$500 too by getting any of the Gaggias for around $200 and a Cunill
Tranquilo grinder for $200.  That will get you started for $400 new.
Or you can do like me and be real patient and get a used espresso machine at
a thrift shop or from someone selling for 30 bucks (Gaggia).  Then I sold
some little-used stuff and saved my pennies and got a Mazzer Mini used off
Ebay.  This year (now that I've experienced good espresso and am here to
stay) I'm considering saving my Christmas money and then my next birthday
money and then next Christmas money and getting a better espresso machine
(maybe a Bezzera).
bc
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27) From: Michael Dhabolt
Marc,
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Gospel.<
LMAO, I did think of that and was going to comment, but my post was getting
a little long (not gospel like I hope) as it was.  Maybe its an MD thing;~)
And....I'd like to change the 75% Mike and 25% Les to 75% Les and 25% Mike.
Considering the intrinsic (and monetary) value of a Thor and matching PF
handle - - a good find at a thrift store, a few replacement trinkets and a
little elbow grease....pales in comparison.
And....it has been a fun project.
Mike (just plain)

28) From: Michael Dhabolt
Michael,(too many Mike's already)
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produce nectar?<
To start...try any of the Stumptowns, especially the original on Division at
45th or so, (I think there are four now).  My personal favorite coffee bar
has recently become the Powells Bookstore Annex out on Hawthorne in SE.  In
the funky section of NE on 23rd, I have yet to have a bad shot (I stay away
from the familiar names - *$ and the like).  Almost all of the small
neighborhood funky shopping areas has one or two. I usually look for a
Barista with a little traditional body art of one type or another (usually
pretty subtle except for the tats') - sort of a trademark.
I usually order a Restritto or Machiatto in a demitass'...if you like a
little sweetener ask for a half teaspoon of vanilla.  You got to let them
know that you want something other than flavored milk.  Most of the Baristas
in the city will work a shot for you if they know you'll appreciate their
craft.
If you get out to Hood River at all, try Doppios' on Oak downtown - they are
coming right along.  If the trip is as far as The Dalles.....my kitchen has
all the local shops beat, by a pretty good stretch.....I'm in the book.
miKe.......waiting for suggestions.  I'm sure miKe and several other folks
on the list that are in the city regularly can fill out the list of
suggestions.
Mike (just plain)

29) From: MichaelB
Mike (just plain) and Les,
Please change those percentages to 100% Les and 100% Mike. You two have done
an amazing thing.
BTW, if the tradition needs a knockbox - don't see one in Les' pictures
- please let me know and I'd be happy to send one along to add to the kit.
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30) From: Barbara C. Greenspon
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Just adding my vote to this being so neat and kind.  I don't think I 
have ever experienced such a neat group of people online.  How fun to be 
part of all of this.
Thanks (again) for all you all do.
Barbara
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31) From: Dan Bollinger
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Great idea, folks!  I have some display materials that my nonprofit =
ships around the country for conferences and demonstrations. Over the =
years we've learned something that might help you.  
Four things that might help this process work smoothly for everyone =
involved:
1. Include an inventory in the kit, that way, people can make sure the =
ship everything in the kit and nothing gets left behind.
2. Prepare a dedicated shipping case for your items with packing =
instructions. I've found it best to use words and images. 
3. Laminate all your instructions.
4. Ask that the recipient pay for the shipping costs to the NEXT =
tradition winner. After all, they'll have to anyway when they arrive at =
UPS or FedEx. (The way you have it set up is the opposite: they must =
reimburse the person who shipped it to them, and then hope that the =
person who they shipped it to reimburses them. Lots of unnecessary paper =
work and a person might get stuck with double shipping charges.)
Dan

32) From: Brian Kamnetz
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I'm wondering if it might not be a good idea to run the kit past Mike (just
plain) after each user, just to be sure the next winner gets the kit in
proper condition.
Brian

33) From: Myron J
I have the Gaggia (Espresso)
and the Thor Tamper (amongst others)
and the Zass grinder...
So i don't have to count the months like so many newbies...But i  sit on in 
wonderment at your great offering..and assure all newbies..with a bit of 
work and practice..you will have great (OK..pretty darn good) espresso 
pretty quick.
Cudos to Mike and Les!!
Myron
Myron Joshua
Kibbutz Kfar Etzion
90912
Israel
+972-(0)2-9935 178

34) From: miKe mcKoffee
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(Glaringly) Missing from kit is backflush blank and backflush detergent.
Three months use without proper backflush cleaning it's gonna be yielding
some funky shots!!! Also scrubby cleaning for PF and basket. I'd suggest
including cleaning "stuff" and instructions (including weekly detergent
backflush regimen.) Don't know what the "basic instructions" will include
but hopefully post shot group flush and end of each session group flush and
water backflush. Also stress importance of immediately wiping clean AND
steam flush steam wand after every steaming.
 
Shipping back to Mike (just plain) after each person would add both time and
additional shipping expenses, but up to those involved.
 
miKe  
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Brian Kamnetz
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 7:57 AM
On 12/12/06, Dan Bollinger  wrote: 
4. Ask that the recipient pay for the shipping costs to the NEXT tradition
winner. 
I'm wondering if it might not be a good idea to run the kit past Mike (just
plain) after each user, just to be sure the next winner gets the kit in
proper condition.
 
Brian

35) From: Dan Bollinger
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We don't have a problem with keeping things in proper condition, but =
then our kits have fewer parts and nothing dealing with water or =
electricity.  What I do is pay for shipping outbound and ask the the =
recipient pay for shipping on the return to me, or forwarding to the =
next person.  Dan
    4. Ask that the recipient pay for the shipping costs to the NEXT =
tradition winner. 
  I'm wondering if it might not be a good idea to run the kit past Mike =
(just plain) after each user, just to be sure the next winner gets the =
kit in proper condition.
  Brian

36) From: Marc
miKe,
Take a look at the picture - they've included a PF blank, a brush and a
packet of cleaner, it really looks well thought out!
-Marc
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37) From: miKe mcKoffee
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You're of course right, my bad! Read the list and didn't notice backflush
blank mentioned. Re-read and DID notice "cleaning equipment", APOLOGIES Les
& Mike (just plain), I should have known you'd not forget such a necessary
item!
miKe  
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Marc
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 8:36 AM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +From Oregon with Love Tradition
miKe,
Take a look at the picture - they've included a PF blank, a brush and a
packet of cleaner, it really looks well thought out!
-Marc
On 12/12/06, miKe mcKoffee  wrote: 
(Glaringly) Missing from kit is backflush blank and backflush detergent.
Three months use without proper backflush cleaning it's gonna be yielding
some funky shots!!! Also scrubby cleaning for PF and basket. I'd suggest
including cleaning "stuff" and instructions (including weekly detergent
backflush regimen.) Don't know what the "basic instructions" will include
but hopefully post shot group flush and end of each session group flush and
water backflush. Also stress importance of immediately wiping clean AND
steam flush steam wand after every steaming.
 
Shipping back to Mike (just plain) after each person would add both time and
additional shipping expenses, but up to those involved.
 
miKe  
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Brian Kamnetz
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 7:57 AM
On 12/12/06, Dan Bollinger  wrote: 
4. Ask that the recipient pay for the shipping costs to the NEXT tradition
winner. 
I'm wondering if it might not be a good idea to run the kit past Mike (just
plain) after each user, just to be sure the next winner gets the kit in
proper condition.
 
Brian

38) From: Les
Mike the back flush blank is there and there is backflush detergent
too!  I included some individual bags of detergent.
Les
On 12/12/06, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
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39) From: Michael Dhabolt
Dan,
Re: your suggestions:
<Snip>
winner
All great suggestions, #2 is being accomplished by Les even as we speak.  #4
sounds like a great idea to limit the hassle factor.  We expect #s 1 & 2 to
be polished and finalized during the kits stay with Linda.  I was thinking
of burning a small CD with some mov files of correct shot pulling regime
with the machine and what pourable microfoam should look like etc. along
with the inventory, instructions, appropriate links and so forth.
I fully expect that the tradition recipients will want to add accoutrement
as the kit moves around, witness the generous offer of a knock box from
Michael B.  Of course, I expect the shipping box will soon be adorned with
travel stickers / art work as it moves around.
Regarding Brians suggestion regarding the kit coming back to me after each
use.....shouldn't need that frequency....but once a year or so - - good
idea.  I've got to remember to send a new group gasket to Linda to add to
the kit.  Les and I had already talked about adding to the instructions that
it should be sent back to me for repair if any trouble shows up.
I think that what the lists 'Tradition' tradition is actually about,
shouldn't be lost in this whole thing.  It is actually a 'paying back' to
the list, for the entertainment, knowledge, companionship etc. that we all
receive from each other. I'm sure that all the other tradition offer-ers
would agree. Every time I read of a new or continuing tradition on the list,
I cogitate on a coffee library that moves thru our ranks, and where it came
from.  Gospel;~)
Mike (just plain)

40) From: mikeraz
Dan Bollinger wrote:
<Snip>
Great ideas Don, especially the _laminated_ inventory and packing
instructions.  
I'm in favor of the new recipient paying the freight.  UPS charges are no
mystery and it would be easy to have the recipient send a check to cover costs
in advance. 
-- 
      Michael Rasmussen, Portland Oregon  
    Be appropriate && Follow your curiosityhttp://fut.patch.com/">http://www.patch.com/words/orhttp://fut.patch.com/
  The fortune cookie says:
So in the future, one 'client' at a time or you'll be spending CPU time with 
lots of little 'child processes'.
	-- Kevin M. Bealer, commenting on the private life of a Linux nerd

41) From: Chad
What do I know but I agree the receiver should pay. This thing could end 
up in Tokyo.
Chad
On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 3:06pm, Michael Rasmussen wrote:
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42) From: Derek Bradford
On 12/13/06, Chad  wrote:
<Snip>
Heh.  If you can afford shipping to Tokyo, you can probably afford to
buy this kit yourself.
--Derek, whose bean shipments alone to Korea are $75+ every single time.
-- http://www.novernae.comHome of the Wandering Sloth

43) From: Derek Bradford
On 12/13/06, Derek Bradford  wrote:
<Snip>
That of course should have read shipping charges.
-- http://www.novernae.comHome of the Wandering Sloth

44) From: Lynne
Glad that's not per bean. Whew.
L.
On Dec 13, 2006, at 7:11 AM, Derek Bradford wrote:
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45) From: LInda Reese
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
Good morning, Mike, Dan's ideas are very helpful. An inventory list, =
supported by Les' photo of the complete kit, is important for both =
insuring the package and making a subsequent claim if it were to go =
missing.  I also think that asking the current user to cover the =
shipping/insurance costs to the next recipient is fair and much less =
complicated. I'm looking forward to this experience. I have very few =
pre-conceived notions as to the correct/incorrect way in which to make =
espresso which makes me well qualified to be the guinea pig! I also have =
great respect for you and Les and will make every attempt to follow your =
directions. Time will tell! Take care, Linda

46) From: Marc
Mike,
Another suggestion to pass on to Les - make sure there's additional space in
the shipping case for anything that gets added by the various participants..
It's a Great Tradition!
Thanks
-Marc
On 12/12/06, Michael Dhabolt  wrote:
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47) From: Brian Kamnetz
On 12/12/06, Michael Dhabolt  wrote:
<Snip>
Mike (just plain),
A couple months ago I bough a Gaggia Coffee from the SM sale page but
haven't used it yet, in part because I have been a little too busy to start
experimenting with it. If you create the mov files of correct shot pulling
regime etc, is there any chance that you might be able to send them to me as
email attachments? Or to post them on a web site so that I could download
them? In addition to the things you mentioned, I would be very interested in
seeing a demonstration of proper cleaning/maintenance techniques.
Brian

48) From: miKe mcKoffee
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
Don't be fooled! It's really another Sweet Maria's "Shill" ploy! You'll get
hooked and your coffee consumption will go up and be buying even more
greens! You'll then loose the espresso machine and be FORCED to spend even
more with SM and buy your own espresso machine! And you'll thank Mike (just
plain) and Les over and over again for coercing you into the dark side;-)
 
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee 
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc: http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htm
Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.  
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Les
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 8:27 AM
To: homeroast
Subject: +From Oregon with Love Tradition
Mike Dhabolt and I are offering a "no excuse" tradition.  This is 75% Mike
and 25% me.  Born from a discussion we had at the Espresso Jam at Mike
McKoffee's house, we are offering an Espresso kit.  This kit will be used by
the newbie braista for 3 months and then they will pass on the kit to the
next person.  The espresso kit contains the following goodies: 
1. Gaggia Classic (This machine has been refurbished by Mike Dhabolt and has
been set at 202 degrees and 9 bars.)
2. Gaggia Crotchless PF (machined crotchless by Mike and a Myrtlewood handle
added by Les)
3. Zass Hand Grinder (Donated by Les)
4. Thor Tamper 
5. Basic Instructions by Les and Mike
6. Frothing Pitcher
7. Frothing Thermometer
8. Some espresso cups, cleaning equipment, and various other items.
 
So no more whining about not being able to try espresso!  What is
interesting is that I tried a couple of people off list who wanted to try
espresso and they wouldn't bite on a pre-offer of this tradition.  However,
our wonderful member Linda Reese has agreed to be our first "tradition
winner."  I know some may not think this is fair, but we needed someone
willing to work with us to get the kinks out of this tradition.  So, about
the 2nd week in March we will be back on the list opening up the "From
Oregon with Love" tradition and have a drawing to see where the kit goes for
the next 3 months.  The only requirement is that you will need to pay the
shipping from Linda's house.  I will post a link to a picture of the
tradition tonight.  Many kudos and thanks to Plain Mike for getting the ball
rolling on this.  Call us crazy, but we are having fun! 
 
Les
aka Dr. Crema

49) From: an iconoclast
On 12/12/06, Michael Dhabolt  wrote:
<Snip>
My gosh, you people are organized! Must be all that espresso
increasing your efficiency.
I think it is a wonderful idea.  You've obliterated any excuses for
those who really want to give espresso a try.  I applaud all the
contributors.
Take care,
Ann

50) From: raymanowen
On 12/11/06, Rich M  wrote:
<Snip>
Any input on what type/brand/features to look at?
1. Gaggia Classic (This machine has been refurbished by Mike Dhabolt and has
been set at 202 degrees and 9 bars.)
2. Gaggia Crotchless PF (machined crotchless by Mike and a Myrtlewood handle
added by Les)
3. Zass Hand Grinder (Donated by Les)
4. Thor Tamper
5. Basic Instructions by Les and Mike
6. Frothing Pitcher
7. Frothing Thermometer
8. Some espresso cups, cleaning equipment, and various other items.
Any Questions? -ro
  Any info would be greatly appreciated!
<Snip>
-- 
"When the theme hits the bass, I dance the Jig!" - -Virgil Fox at the Mighty
Wichita (ex- NYC Paramount) WurliTzer- 1976


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