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Topic: Water Brita Arrowhead (17 msgs / 494 lines)
1) From: Karl Harder
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Hi  I am Karl and I live in Garden Grove, CA
I am new to Home Roasting. (11 13 2006)  I love GOOD Coffee.  Previously =
I have been to Starbucks and Diedrich and have taken home their roasted =
beans and ground them with a grinder I bought at Starbucks. $100+   =
Brewed in a MR. Coffee,.  Never even close to what I get in the store.. =
Not real bad, but not real good either.
I have roasted SM beans in an electric WOK, a WB Poppery II, a Sears =
Counter Craft Air Popcorn popper, and a West Bend Poppery.
The Poppery II is a joke.  NO cracking or smoke after 30 minutes!  The =
Sears Counter Craft is overkill.  Beans smoking and snapping at 4 min 20 =
sec  Call the fire dept at 7 min!  NO control.    Roasted some SM beans =
this morning in the WB Poppery .  I Shut down at 20 min.  NO crack or =
smoke.  would not at 30 min either... baked beans. ambient temperture 53 =
degrees.    I live alone and only want about .5 liters  17 ounces.. That =
is what comes in an Arrowhead bottle.
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I will say that the worst of my homeroast coffee has been better than =
any store bought coffee.
Been using about 27 grams of ground Coffee per 1 bottle of Arrowhead =
bottled water. .5 liter or 16.9 OZ in a Mr Coffee.
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Karl

2) From: Lynne
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Hi Karl -
Welcome to the group!
I am roasting in small pan, stove top. I'm actually very happy with the =
results. Before that, I used a Whirly-Pop with one of SM's good 
thermometers (someone - sorry, I forgot who!) gave me a different 
profile for using the Whirly-Pop than SM's instructions online, which I =
found very helpful.
I guess I killed my Whirly-Pop (got more than my dollar's worth - yard =
sale find). Decided to buy a small, discounted pan dedicated to 
roasting the beans, been using that ever since.
At this point, I go mostly by instinct, but try to stretch the roasting =
out to 16 minutes - seldom do, but I usually get to about 11 or 12, at =
least.
I'd use the cowboy method discussed here before a Mr. Coffee - they 
don't usually get hot enough to brew a decent cup.
Lynne
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Hi Karl - 
Welcome to the group! 
I am roasting in small pan, stove top. I'm actually very happy with
the results. Before that, I used a Whirly-Pop with one of SM's good
thermometers (someone - sorry, I forgot who!) gave me a different
profile for using the Whirly-Pop than SM's instructions online, which
I found very helpful.
I guess I killed my Whirly-Pop (got more than my dollar's worth - yard
sale find). Decided to buy a small, discounted pan dedicated to
roasting the beans, been using that ever since. 
At this point, I go mostly by instinct, but try to stretch the
roasting out to 16 minutes - seldom do, but I usually get to about 11
or 12, at least.
I'd use the cowboy method discussed here before a Mr. Coffee - they
don't usually get hot enough to brew a decent cup.
Lynne
On Dec 12, 2006, at 7:24 PM, Karl Harder wrote:
ArialHi  I am Karl and I
live in Garden Grove, CA
ArialI am new to Home
Roasting. (11 13 2006)  I love GOOD Coffee.  Previously I have =
been to
Starbucks and Diedrich and have taken home their roasted beans and
ground them with a grinder I bought at Starbucks. $100+   Brewed in =
a
MR. Coffee,.  Never even close to what I get in the store.. Not real
bad, but not real good either.
 
ArialI have roasted SM beans in an
electric WOK, a WB Poppery II, a Sears Counter Craft Air Popcorn
popper, and a West Bend Poppery.
ArialThe Poppery II is a joke.  NO
cracking or smoke after 30 minutes!  The Sears Counter Craft is
overkill.  Beans smoking and snapping at 4 min 20 sec  Call the fire
dept at 7 min!  NO control.    Roasted some SM beans this =
morning in
the WB Poppery .  I Shut down at 20 min.  NO crack or smoke.  =
would
not at 30 min either... baked beans. ambient temperture 53 degrees.   =
I live alone and only want about .5 liters  17 ounces.. That is what
comes in an Arrowhead bottle.
Arial\
ArialI will say that the worst of
my homeroast coffee has been better than any store bought =
coffee.
ArialBeen using about 27 grams of
ground Coffee per 1 bottle of Arrowhead bottled water. .5 liter or
16.9 OZ in a Mr Coffee.
Arial\
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ArialKarl=
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3) From: Chad
Karl,
We are practically neighbors. I live in Running Springs (near Big Bear) 
and work in Anaheim. Yes, that's quite a commute (take the train) but I 
love the mountains and hate the city. Your trouble with the poppers may 
not be the poppers. I have a Poppery II and I and have no problem, well 
actually my problem is they roast too fast. Maybe you need more beans? 
The more beans the hotter/faster the roast will go but you don't want 
too many beans where they don't move around. I will kepp this short as I 
am sure others have MUCH to say. This is a great group and will 
definitely help with anything. Also, I believe there are 2 heaters and 
one can be out. Will it pop popcorn? If so, try 2 to 3oz's of beans.
Chad
Running Springs, CA
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4) From: Maryann & Dave Schellenberg
Hi, Karl.
Karl Harder wrote:
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I would bet money that if you had a thermometer stuck down into those 
beans, you would see the thermostat cycling on and off.
Destroy that little guy (a drop of solder did it for me), and you will 
get all the cracks you could wish for.
Dave S.

5) From: raymanowen
"...there are 2 heaters"
Just like a hair dryer, the larger resistance [smaller wire] of them is a
ballast resistor to supply reduced voltage to the blower motor. Handy that
it makes heat as a byproduct.
You can feel the heat this resistor produces when you switch to Cool. The
air stream can't be dead cold whenever the blower is running. -ro
On 12/12/06, Chad  wrote:
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"When the theme hits the bass, I dance the Jig!" - -Virgil Fox at the Mighty
Wichita (ex- NYC Paramount) WurliTzer- 1976

6) From: Bart Frazee
Karl
I live in Santa Ana two houses from the Garden Grove city line. I have
a Poppery and two Popperu IIs that I have roasted with. If you would
like to get together we might be able to figure out what the problem
is.Since I am retired, I'm available just about any time convient for
you. If we cannot get your poppery II working you can have one of mine
(I have roasted in both so I know they work).
I'll send you a copy of this with my phone number off list.
Bart
On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:24:46 -0800, you wrote:
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 I have been to Starbucks and Diedrich and have taken home their roasted =
beans and ground them with a grinder I bought at Starbucks. $100+   =
Brewed in a MR. Coffee,.  Never even close to what I get in the store.. =
Not real bad, but not real good either.
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Counter Craft Air Popcorn popper, and a West Bend Poppery.
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Sears Counter Craft is overkill.  Beans smoking and snapping at 4 min 20 =
sec  Call the fire dept at 7 min!  NO control.    Roasted some SM beans =
this morning in the WB Poppery .  I Shut down at 20 min.  NO crack or =
smoke.  would not at 30 min either... baked beans. ambient temperture 53 =
degrees.    I live alone and only want about .5 liters  17 ounces.. That =
is what comes in an Arrowhead bottle.
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any store bought coffee.
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bottled water. .5 liter or 16.9 OZ in a Mr Coffee.
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7) From: jay hobaugh
Karl Wrote--
  Hi  I am Karl and I live in Garden Grove, CA
I am new to Home Roasting. (11 13 2006)  I love GOOD Coffee.  
Previously =
I have been to Starbucks and Diedrich and have taken home their roasted 
=
beans and ground them with a grinder I bought at Starbucks. $100+   =
Brewed in a MR. Coffee,.  Never even close to what I get in the store.. 
=
Not real bad, but not real good either.
I have roasted SM beans in an electric WOK, a WB Poppery II, a Sears =
Counter Craft Air Popcorn popper, and a West Bend Poppery.
The Poppery II is a joke.  NO cracking or smoke after 30 minutes!  The 
=
Sears Counter Craft is overkill.  Beans smoking and snapping at 4 min 
20 =
sec  Call the fire dept at 7 min!  NO control.    Roasted some SM beans 
=
this morning in the WB Poppery .  I Shut down at 20 min.  NO crack or =
smoke.  would not at 30 min either... baked beans. ambient temperture 
53 =
degrees.    I live alone and only want about .5 liters  17 ounces.. 
That =
is what comes in an Arrowhead bottle.
\
I will say that the worst of my homeroast coffee has been better than =
any store bought coffee.
Been using about 27 grams of ground Coffee per 1 bottle of Arrowhead =
bottled water. .5 liter or 16.9 OZ in a Mr Coffee.
\
Karl
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  Hi there Karl My name is Steve and I have been home roasting for about 6 months 
  now. 
  sounds like you are having lots of fun eh?? 20-30 minutes sounds a little long for a 
  poppery, the poppery II may do ok if you remove the bimetallic switch I have done this myself and it works great now.http://garybt3.googlepages.com/homethere is where I found
  out how to do that. I have roasted with a wok ON A GAS GRILL not an electric one I dont 
  think that would get hot enough?? not too sure.  the sears counter craft may be helped
  by 100 feet of extention cord that should slow er down some. I used to use a 50' ext. cord,
  it was all I had, and plug a fan into it also and turn the fan on when I wanted to slow the
  roast. Then I learned that I could plug my counter top oven toaster in also so I would have
  the fan the oven toaster and the popper pluggeg into the same outlet and it only slowed the
  roast by maybe one or two minutes. this was on my kithcen gourmet bought from walgreens
  after a long time messing with it I gave up and bought an 8$ bread machine and a 45$ 
  Wagner heatgun and just kinda wave the heat gun in tiny circles over the beans as they go
  around in their little cyclone. much easier for me. 
  Steve in Indiana
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8) From: Jeremy DeFranco
Hi Karl. Welcome to the list! I would recommend that if you want even better
coffee to toss the Mr. Coffee, and get a new brewer that reaches proper
brewing temp. Proper brewing temp is around 195-205, and Mr. Coffees only
get to about 175. A lot of the flavor is probably still left in your grinds.
If you want to go automatic drip, you could go Technivorm, which SM sells.
If you don't have that kind of cash you could look at Cuisanart dtc-975 or
Presto Scandanavian or Capresso MT500. Always good to go with a thermos
instead of hot plate, cause hot plate will cook your beautiful coffee into
aromaless syrup within 15 minutes. I, personally use a 6 cup chemex that I
bought from SM. It is a manual pour over-all you do is heat the water to
boiling, let cool a few seconds, and pour it over your grinds. Can pour the
hot coffee into a thermos to keep coffee warm after that. French Press is a
favorite brew method, too. Best of luck getting your roasters working, and
welcome to the list!
---Hi  I am Karl and I live in Garden Grove, CA
I am new to Home Roasting. (11 13 2006)  I love GOOD Coffee.  Previously =
I have been to Starbucks and Diedrich and have taken home their roasted =
beans and ground them with a grinder I bought at Starbucks. $100+   =
Brewed in a MR. Coffee,.  Never even close to what I get in the store.. =
Not real bad, but not real good either.
I have roasted SM beans in an electric WOK, a WB Poppery II, a Sears =
Counter Craft Air Popcorn popper, and a West Bend Poppery.
The Poppery II is a joke.  NO cracking or smoke after 30 minutes!  The =
Sears Counter Craft is overkill.  Beans smoking and snapping at 4 min 20 =
sec  Call the fire dept at 7 min!  NO control.    Roasted some SM beans =
this morning in the WB Poppery .  I Shut down at 20 min.  NO crack or =
smoke.  would not at 30 min either... baked beans. ambient temperture 53 =
degrees.    I live alone and only want about .5 liters  17 ounces.. That =
is what comes in an Arrowhead bottle.
\
I will say that the worst of my homeroast coffee has been better than =
any store bought coffee.
Been using about 27 grams of ground Coffee per 1 bottle of Arrowhead =
bottled water. .5 liter or 16.9 OZ in a Mr Coffee.
\
Karl

9) From: Kevin
Eddie,
I think the water brew temp is more dependant on voltage.  I brew with a
Hamilton Beach Aroma Express (4cup basket - work) and a West Bend (4cup cone
-home) and measured the water temp hitting the beans on both units.  Both
units got the water to 199-201F with the first drop.  The voltage readings
at work and home  are above 120V.  So I'd wager that a Mr. Coffee would get
the water up to ~200F if the voltage were in the range of 115 -122V.
On 12/13/06, Jeremy DeFranco  wrote:
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My home coffee roasting blog:http://homecoffeeroastblog.blogspot.com/Kevin

10) From: Eddie Dove
Don't know why this was addressed to me, but I would like a moment for
rebuttal anyway ... ;-)
Before I got my Technivorm, I had a Mr. Coffee and it would not reach proper
brewing temperature ... about 175F as I recall and that was on an outlet
that consistently reads 120V+.  What I used to do (when I became wise to
brewing temperature and was waiting for my Technivorm) was to run the water
through first to get the water and coffee maker heated up.  Then, I would
use that same water to brew the coffee and this would get the temperature
just up to 195 and maybe edge it a little higher and it did make a
difference in the taste of the coffee.  Since it will brew more quickly, one
has to be careful that the filter basket does not overflow ... may have to
cycle it off and on a couple of times.  I was able to leave the filter
basket open just enough to be able to peek and see.  Yes, the coffee maker
was descaled.
Eddie
On 12/13/06, Kevin  wrote:
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11) From: Kevin
Eddie,
My mistake, I should have addressed Jeremy. I apologize.
Kevin
On 12/13/06, Eddie Dove  wrote:
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12) From: Jeremy DeFranco
Kevin,
     The reason I say this is that I, like Eddie, used to have a Mr. Coffee.
I measured brew temp with a thermocouple and an instant read thermometer,
and both gave 175 degree readouts. I haven't measured my voltage at outlet,
but no reason to consider it being below 115-122v. Best way to find out,
though if you got a Mr. Coffee, would be to check the brew temp yourself. I
would wager, though that it wouldn't get upto temp. Interesting, though that
HB and WB get up to proper temp... My past experience w/Mr. Coffee, though
tells me that Mr. Coffee is not into good coffee, but rather more into
ripping off innocent people searching for a great cup : )
---Eddie,
I think the water brew temp is more dependant on voltage.  I brew with a
Hamilton Beach Aroma Express (4cup basket - work) and a West Bend (4cup cone
-home) and measured the water temp hitting the beans on both units.  Both
units got the water to 199-201F with the first drop.  The voltage readings
at work and home  are above 120V.  So I'd wager that a Mr. Coffee would get
the water up to ~200F if the voltage were in the range of 115 -122V.

13) From: Eddie Dove
Kevin ... just having some fun ...
Karl ... my apologies!
Welcome to the list!
Eddie
On 12/13/06, Kevin  wrote:
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14) From: Kevin
Jeremy,
Maybe the problem is with Mr. Coffee then.  I heard of this problem with
brewers before my home roasting experience and was surprised that both my
drip machines got the water up to 199-201F, neither of which are Mr. Coffee
machines. I measured the water temp as the water was being released over the
grinds with a temperature probe.  The water in the pot is cooler ~175 b/c it
has passed through the grinds.
I figured it was a voltage issue b/c I have two in expensive machines from
two different manufacturers that heat water to a decent temperature.  I'm
still holding out for a TV from SM this holiday season.  Well see what the
Mrs., I mean Santa, brings...
On 12/13/06, Jeremy DeFranco  wrote:
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My home coffee roasting blog:http://homecoffeeroastblog.blogspot.com/Kevin

15) From: Eddie Dove
Kevin,
If "Santa" needs guilting, I mean encouragement, just publish her email
address here ... we can help!
Eddie
On 12/13/06, Kevin  wrote:
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One has not had enough coffee until one can thread a sewing machine while it
is running.

16) From: Brian Kamnetz
On 12/13/06, Jeremy DeFranco  wrote:
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I've pondered this question, and I personally think that Mr. Coffee mfg has
consciously put the brew temp at around 175 in an attempt to get the better
flavors out of inferior coffee while leaving some of the bitterness/yuk
flavors behind. Just a guess, of course....
Brian

17) From: mikeraz
Jeremy DeFranco wrote:
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Or a simple cone and paper filter that you pour hot water into.  Cost is under
$5 and the coffee will be better than Mr. Coffee.
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