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Topic: lamest coffee study ever (14 msgs / 544 lines)
1) From: Tara Kollas
Because my husband and I are considering having another child and I drink
approximately 2/3 a pot of coffee from my techno every day, I was curious
about whether there were any better studies on the effects of caffeine on
the unborn than existed 3 years ago (answer? No).  Found this from the BBC
- drinking 8 cups a day increased risk of miscarriage versus drinking none.
Thanks.  That's very helpful (rolls eyes).http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2780695.stm

2) From: Brett Mason
I have been drinking coffee my whole life.
Frankly, I have never had a miscarriage.
We have 7 sons, so what does that tell you?
Brett
On 12/29/06, Tara Kollas  wrote:
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3) From: Tara Kollas
I drank coffee through both pregnancies (girls) - maybe if my husband drank
more caffeine we'd have a boy :).
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4) From: Brett Mason
We had two miscarriages, but I cannot see coffee as any part of those.
 Debbie went to decaf the whole pregnancy, all of them, and we had all
the normal stuff.  BTW, SM has great decafs - the only ones worth
drinking...
Brett
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5) From: Thomas Pfau
Tara Kollas wrote:
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I drink a lot of coffee.  My wife prefers tea.  We have four girls.
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6) From: Ed Needham
I wouldn't quickly discount the study results.  Miscarriage is one thing, 
but subtle changes (some pretty much unmeasurable at our level of expertise) 
in development are another.  The very delicate balance of chemistry needed 
to develop the fetal nervous system is easily unbalanced.  The effects would 
not be easily noticeable or even measurable, but changes in brain and 
nervous system development have been shown to occur with stronger stimulants 
or other toxins.  Those changes would affect things like emotional range and 
reactivity, cognitive development, inter-brain connections (front brain/back 
brain connectivity), or even loss of function in some areas of thinking or 
emotional function.  We have a whole generation of kids with ADHD, and more 
severe behavior disorders that can't be accounted for by early childhood 
traumas, abuses or bad parenting.This brain development thing is just coming 
into the forefront with better ways to visualize brain activity such as PET 
scans or even more sophisticated imaging devices.  The brains of these kids 
are showing big voids in areas where you would expect to find structures 
controlling cognitive processing and emotional responses. Even intense 
stress or prolonged stress in the mother seems to have a measurable effect 
on fetal neural development.  If it were me, I would not be concerned with a 
cup a day habit, but several cups daily might be enough to tip the balance. 
As with most things...moderation.
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7) From: Dan Bollinger
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As I recall, another study showed that if the mother ingested sufficient 
caffeine during pregnancy, or if the father did during the month prior to 
conception, deliver was more difficult or prolonged.
Many things can effect the developing brain. For instance, circumcision trauma 
appears to alter the brain chemistry and development in infants.  Anything we 
can do to reduce this is going to be beneficial for our children and 
grandchildren. Obviously, the easiest things to avoid are the optional items 
like alcohol, caffeine, circumcision, etc.
Dan

8) From: Tara Kollas
I think my major problem with the study is that it seems a bit all or
nothing - just the merest tag that some caffeine is okay.  Also, if someone
is drinking more than 8 cups of coffee a day, there could very well be
other environmental factors that contribute to miscarriage (lack of sleep,
stressful job, etc).  And studies like this make a woman a pariah for
ordering regular coffee while noticeably pregnant (it was amazing the
comments I'd get - you'd think I was shooting up heroin "you want decaf,
right?"  "um, no, actually, becuase your decaf is even worse than your
regular coffee").
And with respect to the ADHD - I wonder how many folks in my generation (mid
30's) are undiagnosed, or if this is something particular to the next
generation.  My mom drank coffee throughout both pregnancies.  She also had
the occasional glass of wine, and my father was a heavy smoker (mom didn't,
but was exposed to it second-hand, which is probably worse, since at least
my dad inhaled the smoke through the filter).  I don't know many people my
age who have the ADD/ADHD symptoms that seem more prevalent today - and they
had pretty much the same experience in the womb (most of them had moms that
smoked as well).
The best news for me, is now that I have the money to replace my espresso
machine, I won't have as much guilt, since espresso has less caffeine. And
donkey blend?  Fantastic!

9) From: Sandy Andina
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I switched to decaf as soon as I tested positive for pregnancy--and  
it made no difference (two miscarriages--one a blighted ovum--before  
a successful delivery, one blighted twin ovum plus a normal baby, and  =
two early miscarriages after).  Nonetheless, I figured it wasn't much  =
of a hardship to give up caffeine, alcohol and artificial sweeteners  
for nine months.
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I switched to decaf as soon as I =
tested positive for pregnancy--and it made no difference (two =
miscarriages--one a blighted ovum--before a successful delivery, one =
blighted twin ovum plus a normal baby, and two early miscarriages =
after).  Nonetheless, I figured it wasn't much of a hardship to give =
up caffeine, alcohol and artificial sweeteners for nine =
months.
On Dec 29, 2006, at 11:56 AM, Ed Needham =
wrote:
I wouldn't quickly discount the = study results.  = Miscarriage is one thing, but subtle changes (some pretty much = unmeasurable at our level of expertise) in development are another.  The very delicate balance of = chemistry needed to develop the fetal nervous system is easily = unbalanced.  The effects = would not be easily noticeable or even measurable, but changes in brain = and nervous system development have been shown to occur with stronger = stimulants or other toxins.  = Those changes would affect things like emotional range and = reactivity, cognitive development, inter-brain connections (front = brain/back brain connectivity), or even loss of function in some areas = of thinking or emotional function. = We have a whole generation of kids with ADHD, and more severe = behavior disorders that can't be accounted for by early childhood = traumas, abuses or bad parenting.This brain development thing is just = coming into the forefront with better ways to visualize brain activity = such as PET scans or even more sophisticated imaging devices.  The brains of these kids are = showing big voids in areas where you would expect to find structures = controlling cognitive processing and emotional responses. Even intense = stress or prolonged stress in the mother seems to have a measurable = effect on fetal neural development. = If it were me, I would not be concerned with a cup a day habit, = but several cups daily might be enough to tip the balance. As with most = things...moderation.Ed = Needham®"to absurdity and = beyond!"http://www.homeroaster.com(include[FRIEND] in subject line to get through my = SPAM filters)********************* ----- = Original Message ----- From: "Tara Kollas" <tara.kollas><= DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">To: "homeroasters" <homeroast= s.com>Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 = 9:59 AMSubject: +lamest coffee study = ever Because my husband and I are = considering having another child and I drinkapproximately 2/3 a pot of coffee from my techno = every day, I was curiousabout whether = there were any better studies on the effects of caffeine onthe unborn than existed 3 years ago (answer? = No).  Found this from the = BBC- drinking 8 cups a day = increased risk of miscarriage versus drinking none.Thanks.  = That's very helpful (rolls eyes). http://news.bbc.co.=uk/1/hi/health/2780695.stm homeroast mailing listhttp://li=sts.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroastTo change your personal list settings (digest = options, vacations, unsvbscribes) go to http://=sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings = Sandywww.sass-music.com
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10) From: Sandy Andina
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Agree re the first two; but EVERY one of my friends who declined to  
circumcise their baby boys ended up having to have them endure the  
procedure in preadolescence due to infections, and I understand that  
is much more painful.  We had Gordy circumcised at a week old for  
religious reasons--he cried briefly and then happily went back to  
sucking his pacifier, watching the Bears with his dad, and otherwise  
being the center of attention at his bris party.  He says 22 years  
later he doesn't remember (duh).  I think the skill of the  
circumciser has a lot to do with it--we had the top mohel in Chicago  
do the procedure (in the hospital, they were going to have a second- 
year pediatrics resident do it before I decided to go with tradition).
On Dec 29, 2006, at 12:05 PM, Dan Bollinger wrote:
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Agree re the first two; but =
EVERY one of my friends who declined to circumcise their baby boys ended =
up having to have them endure the procedure in preadolescence due to =
infections, and I understand that is much more painful.  We had Gordy =
circumcised at a week old for religious reasons--he cried briefly and =
then happily went back to sucking his pacifier, watching the Bears with =
his dad, and otherwise being the center of attention at his bris party. =
 He says 22 years later he doesn't remember (duh).  I think the skill =
of the circumciser has a lot to do with it--we had the top mohel in =
Chicago do the procedure (in the hospital, they were going to have a =
second-year pediatrics resident do it before I decided to go with =
tradition).
On Dec 29, 2006, at 12:05 PM, Dan Bollinger =
wrote:

Obviously, the easiest things to avoid are the optional items = like alcohol, caffeine, circumcision, etc.

= Sandywww.sass-music.com
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11) From: Douglas H. Boutell
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Brett Mason wrote:
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Well I hope not  , unless  are you trying to tell the
list  something about your self that you have kept
secret for many years.
Doug
We have 7 sons, so what does that tell you?
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12) From: Brett Mason
Fascinating, but the details may be pushing "coffee" as a topic...
OK, well, yeah, my 7 sons have been... and me too.
Maybe a bit too much info for a friendly coffeehouse chat!
Brett
On 12/29/06, Sandy Andina  wrote:
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13) From: Michael Wascher
... or 7?!
On 12/29/06, Tara Kollas  wrote:
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14) From: Kevin St. Pierre
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Sandy,
My sister-in-law is from Germany where circumcision is less common  
and she and my brother decided not to have the procedure performed.   
Well, my nephew has had two bladder infections and he's 5 years old.   
Because of this, my wife and I decided to have our son circumcised  
(12 weeks old now).  Thankfully he's happy and healthy.
I had the procedure done on myself as an infant and I didn't realize  
I was traumatized for life until I read articles in the news telling  
me I was psychologically damaged.
Kevin
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Sandy,
My sister-in-law is from = Germany where circumcision is less common and she and my brother decided = not to have the procedure performed.  Well, my nephew has had two = bladder infections and he's 5 years old.  Because of this, my wife and = I decided to have our son circumcised (12 weeks old now).  Thankfully = he's happy and healthy.  
I had the procedure done on = myself as an infant and I didn't realize I was traumatized for life = until I read articles in the news telling me I was psychologically = damaged.  
Kevin



= On Dec 29, 2006, at 2:07 PM, Sandy Andina = wrote:
Agree re the first two; but EVERY one of my friends who = declined to circumcise their baby boys ended up having to have them = endure the procedure in preadolescence due to infections, and I = understand that is much more painful.  We had Gordy circumcised at a = week old for religious reasons--he cried briefly and then happily went = back to sucking his pacifier, watching the Bears with his dad, and = otherwise being the center of attention at his bris party.  He says 22 = years later he doesn't remember (duh).  I think the skill of the = circumciser has a lot to do with it--we had the top mohel in Chicago do = the procedure (in the hospital, they were going to have a second-year = pediatrics resident do it before I decided to go with = tradition). On Dec 29, 2006, at 12:05 PM, Dan Bollinger = wrote:
Obviously, the easiest = things to avoid are the optional items like alcohol, caffeine, = circumcision, etc. Sandywww.sass-music.com
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