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Topic: Krupp espresso maker (9 msgs / 444 lines)
1) From: Karl Harder
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Hi
I would like to try making espresso, but don't know where to start.  I =
could have bought a Krupp that looked brand new, but did not because I =
do not know if it is  Mr. Coffees relative.
PS IMHO Mr. Coffee just don't cut it. Now using a Melitta Clarity.  It =
makes good Coffee.  At least a LOT better than
Mr. Coffee.
I had bought a used espresso machine before, but the output tasted like =
boiler scale, so it is out in the garage somewhere.
Karl

2) From: Michael Dhabolt
Karl,
The small pump Krupps machine is capable of making acceptable espresso,
occasionally better.  Do stay away from the Krupps models without a
pump....they have a screw on cap that is removed to fill the boiler with
water.  These are considered 'steam toys' and never produce true espresso.
Let us know you budget...we may be able to recommend something better.
Mike (just plain)

3) From: Sandy Andina
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I've never had a Krups thermoblock pumper that made espresso any  
better than the "espresso" the Aeropress or All-Clad makes.
On Jan 3, 2007, at 12:17 AM, Michael Dhabolt wrote:
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Sandy
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I've never had a Krups =
thermoblock pumper that made espresso any better than the "espresso" the =
Aeropress or All-Clad makes.
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Michael Dhabolt wrote:
Karl,   The small pump Krupps = machine is capable of making acceptable espresso, occasionally better.  = Do stay away from the Krupps models without a pump....they have a screw = on cap that is removed to fill the boiler with water.  These are = considered 'steam toys' and never produce true espresso.  Let us know = you budget...we may be able to recommend something better. =   Mike (just plain) = Sandywww.sass-music.com
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4) From: Karl Harder
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Thanks gang.
I will go up to $400, but would be reluctant to go over that.
karl

5) From: Sandy Andina
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Karl,
Four hundred bucks may get you a used Silvia or Solis SL90, and any  
number of new Gaggias, all of which will run rings around Krups' best.
On Jan 3, 2007, at 12:32 AM, Karl Harder wrote:
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Sandy
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Karl,Four hundred bucks may =
get you a used Silvia or Solis SL90, and any number of new Gaggias, all =
of which will run rings around Krups' best.  
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2007, at 12:32 AM, Karl Harder wrote:
Thanks = gang.----- Original = Message -----From: Sandy = AndinaTo: homeroastSent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 10:27 PMSubject: Re: +Krupp espresso maker I've = never had a Krups thermoblock pumper that made espresso any better than = the "espresso" the Aeropress or All-Clad makes. On Jan 3, = 2007, at 12:17 AM, Michael Dhabolt wrote:
Karl, The = small pump Krupps machine is capable of making acceptable espresso, = occasionally better.  Do stay away from the Krupps models without a = pump....they have a screw on cap that is removed to fill the boiler with = water.  These are considered 'steam toys' and never produce true = espresso.  Let us know you budget...we may be able to recommend = something better.Mike (just = plain) www.sandyandina.com <= BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"> = Sandywww.sass-music.com
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6) From: Michael Dhabolt
Karl,
Your within $95 of what many people consider to be the best of the small
single boiler machines.  Check out:http://www.sweetmarias.com/prod.rancilio.shtml.  I've quaffed many
exceptional shots from different Silvias.
This machine is somewhat of a standard....with a lot of current and previous
owners to help the Silvia owner develop technique, recommend
modifications etc.  Many folks on this list have been happy with the
Silvia.....untill......upgrade fever and the search for the consistant 'god
shot' tipped them over into.......espresso insanity.  There have been
several Silvias change hands among other folks on the list recently...give
it a week and you may get an offer.
IMHO the only other serious contenders in the less than $500 range are the
Gaggia machines.  Check out:http://www.sweetmarias.com/prod.gaggia.shtml.
Pay attention to Toms explanation of the three way valve - it is important.
I've also pulled and enjoyed exceptional shots from the Gaggia machines.
I'm sure you will get other, well thought out recommendations.
Mike (just plain)

7) From: miKe mcKoffee
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Grinder, grinder, grinder. Don't forget the paramount need for a good
Grinder!!! IMO the old Krups Gusto thermoblock pump paired with a moderately
good espresso grinder like Rocky can make "ok", even sometimes pretty good
(but not great), espresso shots. It takes some finesse but it's very doable.
And true espresso not like the Aeropress which IMO is more like Moka brew
than an espresso shot. (Aeorpress can be a quite decent cup but isn't near
the same as real modern espresso.) I haven't played with any of the newer
models Krups.
 
Karl, what make/model espresso machine is lanquishing in the garage? It may
be that with some TLC for the machine and a good grinder you could be on
your way towards the "dark side". Or it may be total crap or even a steam
toy, but do let us know what it is!
 
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee 
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc: http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htm
Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.  
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Sandy Andina
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 10:35 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +Krupp espresso maker
Karl, 
Four hundred bucks may get you a used Silvia or Solis SL90, and any number
of new Gaggias, all of which will run rings around Krups' best. 
On Jan 3, 2007, at 12:32 AM, Karl Harder wrote:
Thanks gang.
I will go up to $400, but would be reluctant to go over that.
karl

8) From: Karl Harder
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RE: good Grinder
I am using a Starbucks burr grinder.  Seems to do the job, but I don't =
know the difference between  a GOOD Grinder and a poor grinder.  To me =
at this point, they all grind...... even the SALTON spinning blade that =
my wife bought for me.  Have not used it since getting the /starbucks =
burr grinder.  I do like the timer control on the Starbucks burr =
grinder.  I always measure the roasted beans to put into it, but do not =
really need to. The timer gives very accurate control.
Karl

9) From: Justin Marquez
On 1/3/07, Karl Harder  wrote:
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From what you have said, perhaps you really do know differences
between grinders.
Reproducible even grind particle size and shape, lack of dust, lack of
static cling in the catch bin, ability to produce different grinds for
the different brew methods you use, easy to clean, easy to replace
burrs... all traits of a "good" grinder.
How much you need to spend depends in part on how many different brew
methods you use. If all you do is auto-drip and Aeropress, then a
blade type can be sufficient. A better grinder than a whirly blade can
improve an auto-drip brew.
How much improvement is good enough to justify the extra cost? It's a
question we all wrestle with every so often.
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (CYPRESS, TX)


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