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Topic: Roasting Newbie seeks advice (24 msgs / 826 lines)
1) From: Ronnie Kramer
High All,
   
  I'm so new to this I don't even have my roaster yet.  But I've ordered an I-Roast 2 and 5# of  Colombia Tolima Planadas - El Jordan.
   
  I'm not even sure what kind of coffee I may like, but I've been drinking 100% Colombian for years and figure it's a good place to start.  I brew preground Folgers during the week and blade grind very cheap beans on the weekends.
   
  Anyway, I think the first experiment I would like to try is to see what degree of roast I like best.  I plan on roasting from City to City +, maybe Vienna, and keeping everything else equal.  So my question is, can you guys make recommendations for an I-Roast 2 profile that should give me decent results on all these degrees of roast with the Colombian?
   
  Once I decide on a degree of roast I like, then I'll start toying with profile.
   
  Thanks!
   
  Ronnie Kramer
  Austin, TX

2) From: Eddie Dove
Ronnie,
Welcome to the list.
I can't help you with the profile (don't have and iRoast2), but you may want
to shoot for Full City / Full City+ to begin with and adjust from there.
This is a good reference to have handy:  Visual Roasting
Guide
Eddie
-- 
My Home Coffee Roasting Blog and Profiles for the Gene Cafehttp://southcoastcoffeeroaster.blogspot.com/On 1/3/07, Ronnie Kramer  wrote:
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3) From: Kris McN
Welcome, Ronnie!
When you're iR2 arrives it will have with it an information sheet from Tom
that has two roast profiles he uses with his iR2 - one for most beans and
one for island beans.  I think they're a good place to start.  I programmed
in both of those profiles and use the first one for most every bean as a
first try.  I added 30 seconds to the end of each profile just so I had more
of a tail, and I usually end up hitting the cool button before it finishes.
I think you may find that rather than finding a particular degree of roast
you like, you'll find that every bean has it's own degree-of-roast sweet
spot and that one roast size doesn't fit all.  I usually try a City+ for
most beans as a starting point and adjust from there.  Some beans really
sing at City, while others are well-served by a darker roast.  Figuring all
this stuff out for your palate is half the fun of home roasting!
Have a blast!
Kris
On 1/3/07, Ronnie Kramer  wrote:
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4) From: Kris McN
p.s. I know the difference between "your" and "you're", dang it!  I'm
clearly behind on my mid-afternoon cuppa!
On 1/3/07, Kris McN  wrote:
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5) From: Robert Pearce
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
Can you point me to anyplace with more information than what SM's included
with my iR2?  Sounds like there's a lot of people using this little beauty,
surely there a collection of profiles somewhere.  
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Kris McN
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 1:58 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +Roasting Newbie seeks advice
Welcome, Ronnie!
When you're iR2 arrives it will have with it an information sheet from Tom
that has two roast profiles he uses with his iR2 - one for most beans and
one for island beans.  I think they're a good place to start.  I programmed
in both of those profiles and use the first one for most every bean as a
first try.  I added 30 seconds to the end of each profile just so I had more
of a tail, and I usually end up hitting the cool button before it finishes. 
I think you may find that rather than finding a particular degree of roast
you like, you'll find that every bean has it's own degree-of-roast sweet
spot and that one roast size doesn't fit all.  I usually try a City+ for
most beans as a starting point and adjust from there.  Some beans really
sing at City, while others are well-served by a darker roast.  Figuring all
this stuff out for your palate is half the fun of home roasting!  
Have a blast!
Kris   
On 1/3/07, Ronnie Kramer  wrote:
High All,
I'm so new to this I don't even have my roaster yet.  But I've ordered an
I-Roast 2 and 5# of  Colombia Tolima Planadas - El Jordan.
I'm not even sure what kind of coffee I may like, but I've been drinking
100% Colombian for years and figure it's a good place to start.  I brew
preground Folgers during the week and blade grind very cheap beans on the
weekends. 
Anyway, I think the first experiment I would like to try is to see what
degree of roast I like best.  I plan on roasting from City to City +, maybe
Vienna, and keeping everything else equal.  So my question is, can you guys
make recommendations for an I-Roast 2 profile that should give me decent
results on all these degrees of roast with the Colombian? 
Once I decide on a degree of roast I like, then I'll start toying with
profile.
Thanks!
Ronnie Kramer
Austin, TX

6) From: Kris McN
Robert,
I don't know of a central repository for iR2 roasts, but when I asked a
similar question a couple of weeks ago, Kim was kind enough to send a link
to her iR2 roast data:http://www.gweep.net/~goom/coffee/You've got to remember though, differences in voltage (how and where you
have it plugged in) and ambient temperature make a big difference in an iR2
profile, so what works for one person may work very differently for you.
The same bean using the same profile on a different day with different
weather will give me different results.  You still have to pay close
attention and tweak accordingly, of course.
Kris
On 1/3/07, Robert Pearce  wrote:
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7) From: Ronnie Kramer
Thanks Eddie,  I meant City to Full City +, maybe Vienna.  I'm not sure how I'd like the lighter roasts, but I'm sure I don't want French or darker.
   
  Ronnie
Eddie Dove  wrote:
  Ronnie,
Welcome to the list.
I can't help you with the profile (don't have and iRoast2), but you may want to shoot for Full City / Full City+ to begin with and adjust from there.  This is a good reference to have handy:  Visual Roasting Guide
Eddie
-- 
My Home Coffee Roasting Blog and Profiles for the Gene Cafehttp://southcoastcoffeeroaster.blogspot.com/
  On 1/3/07, Ronnie Kramer  wrote:    High All,
   
  I'm so new to this I don't even have my roaster yet.  But I've ordered an I-Roast 2 and 5# of  Colombia Tolima Planadas - El Jordan.
   
  I'm not even sure what kind of coffee I may like, but I've been drinking 100% Colombian for years and figure it's a good place to start.  I brew preground Folgers during the week and blade grind very cheap beans on the weekends. 
   
  Anyway, I think the first experiment I would like to try is to see what degree of roast I like best.  I plan on roasting from City to City +, maybe Vienna, and keeping everything else equal.  So my question is, can you guys make recommendations for an I-Roast 2 profile that should give me decent results on all these degrees of roast with the Colombian? 
   
  Once I decide on a degree of roast I like, then I'll start toying with profile.
   
  Thanks!
   
  Ronnie Kramer
  Austin, TX

8) From: Ronnie Kramer
Thanks Kris,  I'll probably try that.
   
  Ronnie
Kris McN  wrote:
  Welcome, Ronnie!
When you're iR2 arrives it will have with it an information sheet from Tom that has two roast profiles he uses with his iR2 - one for most beans and one for island beans.  I think they're a good place to start.  I programmed in both of those profiles and use the first one for most every bean as a first try.  I added 30 seconds to the end of each profile just so I had more of a tail, and I usually end up hitting the cool button before it finishes. 
I think you may find that rather than finding a particular degree of roast you like, you'll find that every bean has it's own degree-of-roast sweet spot and that one roast size doesn't fit all.  I usually try a City+ for most beans as a starting point and adjust from there.  Some beans really sing at City, while others are well-served by a darker roast.  Figuring all this stuff out for your palate is half the fun of home roasting!  
Have a blast!
Kris   
  On 1/3/07, Ronnie Kramer  wrote:    High All,
   
  I'm so new to this I don't even have my roaster yet.  But I've ordered an I-Roast 2 and 5# of  Colombia Tolima Planadas - El Jordan.
   
  I'm not even sure what kind of coffee I may like, but I've been drinking 100% Colombian for years and figure it's a good place to start.  I brew preground Folgers during the week and blade grind very cheap beans on the weekends. 
   
  Anyway, I think the first experiment I would like to try is to see what degree of roast I like best.  I plan on roasting from City to City +, maybe Vienna, and keeping everything else equal.  So my question is, can you guys make recommendations for an I-Roast 2 profile that should give me decent results on all these degrees of roast with the Colombian? 
   
  Once I decide on a degree of roast I like, then I'll start toying with profile.
   
  Thanks!
   
  Ronnie Kramer
  Austin, TX
Ronnie Kramer
Austin, TX

9) From: Vicki Smith
The other thing to remember is that the machines themselves seem to vary 
greatly. I have owned two of them--wildly different from each other, 
when operated under the same circumstances, in the same place, same 
temps etc.  And I have used a third, which was different from either of 
them.
My advice would be to pay attention to the roast as it develops. Listen 
carefully for the cracks, begin with Tom's recommendations and the 
information you get about a particular bean here, on the list.
The other advice I would give you is to take some beans and roast that 
first batch all the way to the end--darker than you would ever roast for 
drinking. Pay attention to how the beans change over time--what you see 
(both bean colour and smoke), what you hear, and what you smell.
I'm sending you by Email some sheets I made up for my IR2 roasting log.
vicki
Kris McN wrote:
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10) From: Jim De Hoog
Hi Ronnie,
Welcome to the list.  I live in San Antonio and started wit=
h a popcorn popper then built a drum roaster.  If you ever make into SA, I'=
d be happy to demonstrate it.
Jim "Ice Bucket Roaster" De Hoog
=
----- Original Message ----
From: Ronnie Kramer =
To: homeroast
Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2007 3=
:35:26 PM
Subject: +Roasting Newbie seeks advice
High All,
 
=
I'm so new to this I don't even have my roaster yet.  But I've ordered an I=
-Roast 2 and 5# of  Colombia Tolima Planadas - El Jordan.
 
I'm not eve=
n sure what kind of coffee I may like, but I've been drinking 100% Colombia=
n for years and figure it's a good place to start.  I brew preground Folger=
s during the week and blade grind very cheap beans on the weekends.
 
A=
nyway, I think the first experiment I would like to try is to see what degr=
ee of roast I like best.  I plan on roasting from City to City +, maybe Vie=
nna, and keeping everything else equal.  So my question is, can you guys ma=
ke recommendations for an I-Roast 2 profile that should give me decent resu=
lts on all these degrees of roast with the Colombian?
 
Once I decide o=
n a degree of roast I like, then I'll start toying with profile.
 
Than=
ks!
 
Ronnie Kramer
Austin, TX

11) From: Jeff Bensen
Kris -
I second your advice, and add some of my own.
I have an iRoast-1 that seems to run hotter than 
what others on this list were reporting a couple 
of years ago. I rarely set my max temperature 
above 390 or 400 F, since doing so results in 
rapid transitions from 1st to 2nd and beyond. The 
lesson here is that there may also be variations 
between machines of the same model.
The largest improvements I made in 2006 were to 
roast indoors using the vent attachment (for 
stable ambient temperature), using a thermocouple 
in the bean mass (to track temperature ramps and 
to aid in deciding when to hit cool), and adding 
a Variac to account for the line voltage 
variations I see at my house (power in this part 
of Florida is not very stable).
I originally used Tom's starting profile 
recommendations, then tailored them to fit my equipment and tastes.
I'd be happy to email my profiles to anyone who 
wants them (they are in MS Excel, but I could 
convert to PDF if needed). Please email me off-list.
- Jeff Bensen
   Palm Bay, FL
At 05:31 PM 1/3/2007, Kris McN wrote:
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12) From: Vicki Smith
I just put my log and profiles page into my web directory. You can get 
them from my home page:http://coffeecrone.com/.Scroll down to the 
"currently on the site" section--it's at the end.
v

13) From: Robert Pearce
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
Thanks Kris, just what I was looking for.  =)  
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Kris McN
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 2:31 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +Roasting Newbie seeks advice
Robert,
I don't know of a central repository for iR2 roasts, but when I asked a
similar question a couple of weeks ago, Kim was kind enough to send a link
to her iR2 roast data:http://www.gweep.net/~goom/coffee/You've got to remember though, differences in voltage (how and where you
have it plugged in) and ambient temperature make a big difference in an iR2
profile, so what works for one person may work very differently for you.
The same bean using the same profile on a different day with different
weather will give me different results.  You still have to pay close
attention and tweak accordingly, of course. 
Kris
On 1/3/07, Robert Pearce  wrote:
Can you point me to anyplace with more information than what SM's included
with my iR2?  Sounds like there's a lot of people using this little beauty,
surely there a collection of profiles somewhere.  
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Kris McN
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 1:58 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +Roasting Newbie seeks advice
Welcome, Ronnie!
When you're iR2 arrives it will have with it an information sheet from Tom
that has two roast profiles he uses with his iR2 - one for most beans and
one for island beans.  I think they're a good place to start.  I programmed
in both of those profiles and use the first one for most every bean as a
first try.  I added 30 seconds to the end of each profile just so I had more
of a tail, and I usually end up hitting the cool button before it finishes. 
I think you may find that rather than finding a particular degree of roast
you like, you'll find that every bean has it's own degree-of-roast sweet
spot and that one roast size doesn't fit all.  I usually try a City+ for
most beans as a starting point and adjust from there.  Some beans really
sing at City, while others are well-served by a darker roast.  Figuring all
this stuff out for your palate is half the fun of home roasting!  
Have a blast!
Kris   
On 1/3/07, Ronnie Kramer  wrote:
High All,
I'm so new to this I don't even have my roaster yet.  But I've ordered an
I-Roast 2 and 5# of  Colombia Tolima Planadas - El Jordan.
I'm not even sure what kind of coffee I may like, but I've been drinking
100% Colombian for years and figure it's a good place to start.  I brew
preground Folgers during the week and blade grind very cheap beans on the
weekends. 
Anyway, I think the first experiment I would like to try is to see what
degree of roast I like best.  I plan on roasting from City to City +, maybe
Vienna, and keeping everything else equal.  So my question is, can you guys
make recommendations for an I-Roast 2 profile that should give me decent
results on all these degrees of roast with the Colombian? 
Once I decide on a degree of roast I like, then I'll start toying with
profile.
Thanks!
Ronnie Kramer
Austin, TX

14) From: Robert Pearce
Thanks!

15) From: Robert Pearce
Thanks!  =)

16) From: Ronnie Kramer
Jim,
   
  I may take you up on that when I get some breathing room.
   
  Ronnie
Jim De Hoog  wrote:
          Hi Ronnie,
   
  Welcome to the list.  I live in San Antonio and started with a popcorn popper then built a drum roaster.  If you ever make into SA, I'd be happy to demonstrate it.
   
  Jim "Ice Bucket Roaster" De Hoog
  ----- Original Message ----
From: Ronnie Kramer 
To: homeroast
Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2007 3:35:26 PM
Subject: +Roasting Newbie seeks advice
  High All,
   
  I'm so new to this I don't even have my roaster yet.  But I've ordered an I-Roast 2 and 5# of  Colombia Tolima Planadas - El Jordan.
   
  I'm not even sure what kind of coffee I may like, but I've been drinking 100% Colombian for years and figure it's a good place to start.  I brew preground Folgers during the week and blade grind very cheap beans on the weekends.
   
  Anyway, I think the first experiment I would like to try is to see what degree of roast I like best.  I plan on roasting from City to City +, maybe Vienna, and keeping everything else equal.  So my question is, can you guys make recommendations for an I-Roast 2 profile that should give me decent results on all these degrees of roast with the Colombian?
   
  Once I decide on a degree of roast I like, then I'll start toying with profile.
   
  Thanks!
   
  Ronnie Kramer
  Austin, TX
Ronnie Kramer
Austin, TX

17) From: Robert Pearce
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
Thanks to everyone for the advice.  
I'm going to stop spamming the mailing list with individual thanks now.  =P  
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Kris McN
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 2:31 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +Roasting Newbie seeks advice
Robert,
I don't know of a central repository for iR2 roasts, but when I asked a
similar question a couple of weeks ago, Kim was kind enough to send a link
to her iR2 roast data:http://www.gweep.net/~goom/coffee/You've got to remember though, differences in voltage (how and where you
have it plugged in) and ambient temperature make a big difference in an iR2
profile, so what works for one person may work very differently for you.
The same bean using the same profile on a different day with different
weather will give me different results.  You still have to pay close
attention and tweak accordingly, of course. 
Kris
On 1/3/07, Robert Pearce  wrote:
Can you point me to anyplace with more information than what SM's included
with my iR2?  Sounds like there's a lot of people using this little beauty,
surely there a collection of profiles somewhere.  
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Kris McN
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 1:58 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +Roasting Newbie seeks advice
Welcome, Ronnie!
When you're iR2 arrives it will have with it an information sheet from Tom
that has two roast profiles he uses with his iR2 - one for most beans and
one for island beans.  I think they're a good place to start.  I programmed
in both of those profiles and use the first one for most every bean as a
first try.  I added 30 seconds to the end of each profile just so I had more
of a tail, and I usually end up hitting the cool button before it finishes. 
I think you may find that rather than finding a particular degree of roast
you like, you'll find that every bean has it's own degree-of-roast sweet
spot and that one roast size doesn't fit all.  I usually try a City+ for
most beans as a starting point and adjust from there.  Some beans really
sing at City, while others are well-served by a darker roast.  Figuring all
this stuff out for your palate is half the fun of home roasting!  
Have a blast!
Kris   
On 1/3/07, Ronnie Kramer  wrote:
High All,
I'm so new to this I don't even have my roaster yet.  But I've ordered an
I-Roast 2 and 5# of  Colombia Tolima Planadas - El Jordan.
I'm not even sure what kind of coffee I may like, but I've been drinking
100% Colombian for years and figure it's a good place to start.  I brew
preground Folgers during the week and blade grind very cheap beans on the
weekends. 
Anyway, I think the first experiment I would like to try is to see what
degree of roast I like best.  I plan on roasting from City to City +, maybe
Vienna, and keeping everything else equal.  So my question is, can you guys
make recommendations for an I-Roast 2 profile that should give me decent
results on all these degrees of roast with the Colombian? 
Once I decide on a degree of roast I like, then I'll start toying with
profile.
Thanks!
Ronnie Kramer
Austin, TX

18) From: Lilboybrew
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Thanks for that link, Kris; and thanks for posting your profiles, Kim.
Knowing that environmental variables can change the roast from one place
and/or bean to another, it still helps to see what has worked and not worked
for someone else, especially when you're as green at this as I am. I know
I'll still be tweaking, but at least I can start off in the ballpark (even
if it's as a lost ball in the tall grass).
Thanks again, Kris and Kim.
Larry J (Lilboybrew)
To be good is noble, but to teach others how to be good is nobler--and less
trouble.
-  Mark Twain  
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Kris McN
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 5:31 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +Roasting Newbie seeks advice
Robert,
I don't know of a central repository for iR2 roasts, but when I asked a
similar question a couple of weeks ago, Kim was kind enough to send a link
to her iR2 roast data:http://www.gweep.net/~goom/coffee/You've got to remember though, differences in voltage (how and where you
have it plugged in) and ambient temperature make a big difference in an iR2
profile, so what works for one person may work very differently for you.
The same bean using the same profile on a different day with different
weather will give me different results.  You still have to pay close
attention and tweak accordingly, of course. 
Kris
On 1/3/07, Robert Pearce  wrote:
Can you point me to anyplace with more information than what SM's included
with my iR2?  Sounds like there's a lot of people using this little beauty,
surely there a collection of profiles somewhere.  
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Kris McN
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 1:58 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +Roasting Newbie seeks advice
Welcome, Ronnie!
When you're iR2 arrives it will have with it an information sheet from Tom
that has two roast profiles he uses with his iR2 - one for most beans and
one for island beans.  I think they're a good place to start.  I programmed
in both of those profiles and use the first one for most every bean as a
first try.  I added 30 seconds to the end of each profile just so I had more
of a tail, and I usually end up hitting the cool button before it finishes. 
I think you may find that rather than finding a particular degree of roast
you like, you'll find that every bean has it's own degree-of-roast sweet
spot and that one roast size doesn't fit all.  I usually try a City+ for
most beans as a starting point and adjust from there.  Some beans really
sing at City, while others are well-served by a darker roast.  Figuring all
this stuff out for your palate is half the fun of home roasting!  
Have a blast!
Kris   
On 1/3/07, Ronnie Kramer  wrote:
High All,
I'm so new to this I don't even have my roaster yet.  But I've ordered an
I-Roast 2 and 5# of  Colombia Tolima Planadas - El Jordan.
I'm not even sure what kind of coffee I may like, but I've been drinking
100% Colombian for years and figure it's a good place to start.  I brew
preground Folgers during the week and blade grind very cheap beans on the
weekends. 
Anyway, I think the first experiment I would like to try is to see what
degree of roast I like best.  I plan on roasting from City to City +, maybe
Vienna, and keeping everything else equal.  So my question is, can you guys
make recommendations for an I-Roast 2 profile that should give me decent
results on all these degrees of roast with the Colombian? 
Once I decide on a degree of roast I like, then I'll start toying with
profile.
Thanks!
Ronnie Kramer
Austin, TX

19) From: Lilboybrew
Vicki, >stupid question alert< I've seen reference to using a heat gun and a
dog bowl, as well as the heat gun and bread machine. My (stupid) question:
do you run the bread machine during this process? IOW, are you using its
heat as well as the heat gun's?
Larry J (Lilboybrew)
To be good is noble, but to teach others how to be good is nobler--and less
trouble.
 
-  Mark Twain

20) From: Larry Williams
Ronnie
I'm new also, and have a new IR2.  I suggest that you use the presets 
for a while.  They work great.  You are in for a treat.  I plan to try 
some other profiles when learn some more about roasting from these guys.
Larry
Ronnie Kramer wrote:
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21) From: Vicki Smith
Nope, I only use the bread machine to stir the beans, no heat. I use the 
dough cycle. More about it here:http://coffeecrone.com/breadmachine.htmThere is a fellow on the list that roasts in a bread machine, with some 
mods to the electrical stuff, and without an outside heat source. Small 
batches though, I believe.
v
Lilboybrew wrote:
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22) From: Ronnie Kramer
Thanks Larry,
   
  I'll use the preset or Tom's to start.  The main thing is I want to use a single profile (control) for a while through several roast stages to get a feel for it.  Then I'll aim for a particular roast stage while variying the profile.  I'm also wanting to set up a thermocouple to measure bean temp, but I'm not sure how to go about this yet.
   
  Ronnie
Larry Williams  wrote:
  Ronnie
I'm new also, and have a new IR2. I suggest that you use the presets 
for a while. They work great. You are in for a treat. I plan to try 
some other profiles when learn some more about roasting from these guys.
Larry
Ronnie Kramer wrote:
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No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
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Austin, TX

23) From: Vicki Smith
If you search the archives, you'll see that there were a number of posts 
about 10 days go (?) that address that specifically. Folks are doing it 
several different ways.
vicki
Ronnie Kramer wrote:
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24) From: Niklas Saers
Here are my experiences from Esbjerg, Denmark. I'm just a beginner  
myself but learning slowly and enjoying the journey :-)http://blog.saers.comCheers
	Nik
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