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Topic: Timer Component for Clothes Dryer (17 msgs / 609 lines)
1) From: Robert Pearce
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New one, I don't think there's any way to fix those things.  
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[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Eddie Dove
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 2:34 PM
To: Sweet Maria's Home Coffee Roasting Mailing List
Subject: +OT: Timer Component for Clothes Dryer
Those of you good with electronic stuff,
The dryer (Sears Kenmore) will no longer shut off (for some time now) and I
need to fix it.  My understanding is that it is the timer.  Is there
something that can be done to fix the timer or shall I just order a new one
and be done with it.  I'm assuming something has fused inside of it; I beat
the crap out of it one evening and it fixed it for a while.  I don't know
anything about electronics, but I can replace parts ... this weekend. 
Eddie
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2) From: Ronnie Kramer
I paid $25 for a dryer 4 years ago and it's still going strong.  It will not turn off by opening the door or timer, not since I've had it.  I just rotate the dial to off and that's worked fine.
Robert Pearce  wrote:                New one, I donít think thereís any way to fix those things.
   
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  From: homeroast-admin [mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Eddie Dove
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 2:34 PM
To: Sweet Maria's Home Coffee Roasting Mailing List
Subject: +OT: Timer Component for Clothes Dryer
  Those of you good with electronic stuff,
The dryer (Sears Kenmore) will no longer shut off (for some time now) and I need to fix it.  My understanding is that it is the timer.  Is there something that can be done to fix the timer or shall I just order a new one and be done with it.  I'm assuming something has fused inside of it; I beat the crap out of it one evening and it fixed it for a while.  I don't know anything about electronics, but I can replace parts ... this weekend. 
Eddie
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Ronnie Kramer
Austin, TX

3) From: Brett Mason
Call the Sears repair center near you, and ask what the part number is
for the timer.  I fixed my dryer several times, one component at a
time - they are really easy to work on....  I googled the dryer part
number and tips, and found several places to help identify the exact
part I needed...
Brett
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4) From: Eddie Dove
I've got the part numbers ... its just the tinkerer / fixer in me that hates
to spend $80.00 on something turned by a knob, just knowing that it is
probably something really simple, just beyond my understanding.
Eddie
BTW ... I wrote this about 40 minutes ago and forgot to send it ...
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5) From: Dan Mouer
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Just how much coffee can you roast in one go in that dryer?
:-}
Dan M

6) From: Eddie Dove
Dan
Its and electrically heated, 10 Kg drum with chaff filtration and passively
vented outside ...  ;-)
Eddie
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7) From: miKe mcKoffee
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Not as much as in a Cement Mixer coupled to a Jet Engine, or so speculation
has gone in the past :-)
 
miKe  
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[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Dan Mouer
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 5:25 PM
Just how much coffee can you roast in one go in that dryer?
 
:-}
Dan M

8) From: Dan Mouer
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It's gonna be ugly when all that chaff marries up with all that lint in =
the vent pipe!

9) From: Lilboybrew
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I know how you feel, Eddie. My wife rolls her eyes every time she tells me
something
To be good is noble, but to teach others how to be good is nobler--and less
trouble.
-  Mark Twain  
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[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Eddie Dove
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 7:46 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +RE: Timer Component for Clothes Dryer
I've got the part numbers ... its just the tinkerer / fixer in me that hates
to spend $80.00 on something turned by a knob, just knowing that it is
probably something really simple, just beyond my understanding.
Eddie
BTW ... I wrote this about 40 minutes ago and forgot to send it ... 
On 1/3/07, Brett Mason  >
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Call the Sears repair center near you, and ask what the part number is 
for the timer.  I fixed my dryer several times, one component at a
time - they are really easy to work on....  I googled the dryer part
number and tips, and found several places to help identify the exact
part I needed... 
Brett
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10) From: Lilboybrew
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Dang! I really have to fix that.Anyway, as I was saying, my wife hates it
when I disassemble something greasy/sooty/dirty all over the table, trying
to fix something we bought for $20. It ain't the money, it's the principle.
That said, I'm sorry to say I have yet to field strip the drier's timer
unit, so I don't know what to tell you.  However, if you ever need help wit
To be good is noble, but to teach others how to be good is nobler--and less
trouble.
-  Mark Twain  
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Eddie Dove
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 7:46 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +RE: Timer Component for Clothes Dryer
I've got the part numbers ... its just the tinkerer / fixer in me that hates
to spend $80.00 on something turned by a knob, just knowing that it is
probably something really simple, just beyond my understanding.
Eddie
BTW ... I wrote this about 40 minutes ago and forgot to send it ... 
On 1/3/07, Brett Mason  >
wrote:
Call the Sears repair center near you, and ask what the part number is 
for the timer.  I fixed my dryer several times, one component at a
time - they are really easy to work on....  I googled the dryer part
number and tips, and found several places to help identify the exact
part I needed... 
Brett
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My Home Coffee Roasting Blog and Profiles for the Gene Cafe http://southcoastcoffeeroaster.blogspot.com/

11) From: Eddie Dove
 It ain't the money, it's the principle.
You got it!
Eddie
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12) From: raymanowen
"New one, I don't think there's any way to fix those things."
Eddie, It Is NOT beyond your understanding, trust me
There is no magic or electronics involved with the timer in your dryer. OK,
I just realized- "those things" probably refers to the timer, not the whole
dryer.
The design and fabrication of electric timers for home appliances does not
represent the zenith of human mental ability. If you made it work by
whacking it, you could probably burnish the stuck contacts. They'll be
fairly large due to the power they handle.
Judge for yourself whether it would be cost effective to open up the timer
case. These large contacts won't be far beneath the timer cover.
Unfortunately, dust and lint  circulate grossly in the dryer.
The timing cam could just as easily operate a micro switch to control power
through with a Triac, but that's obviously not the case.
Before you buy a new timer, look at the dryer's schematic in the Kenmore
owner's manual. Is there perhaps a power relay external to the timer itself
to handle the motor power? Repair centers had these on microfiche. Checky-
check!
Be sure you have the model and serial number of your dryer before you even
talk to the Sears parts store.
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
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13) From: Eddie Dove
Thank you everyone for responding ...
I have the exploded view diagrams (I never trust Sears to find the right
parts for me) and I can find nothing in the parts list about a relay and
studying the diagrams I don't find anything that looks like a relay (that I
am familiar with).  I have ordered the part (everyone is either really proud
of this part or there's gold inside), but that money is also going buy me
some edumication.  That timer will come apart so that it is no longer a
mystery and perhaps become a spare.  Of course, that is going to happen
AFTER I get the dryer working again so that my wife doesn't have a
conniption ... just ask Bill Cosby about that ...
Thanks again!
Eddie
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14) From: Robert Joslin
Eddie
     You are wise not to trust Sears to find the right part for you.  When I
was much (much) younger, Sears was the place one went to purchase car
insurance, new shoes, new typewriter, new shotgun, new fishing rod, new
household appliances, furniture, etc. etc.  They have stumbled badly in the
last few decades.  Using the part number shown on  the exploded diagrams in
the owner manual which came with my freezer, I have (on more than one
occasion) ordered and received a part which was OBVIOUSLY not the part
needed.  This frustrating experience has been repeated several times over
the years on items as varied as a string trimmer, lawnmower, and a table
saw.  My love affair with Sears ended in the 90s. Good luck on your home
schooling.
Robert
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15) From: Justin Marquez
On 1/3/07, Eddie Dove  wrote:
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Bill Cosby - One of the most entertaining people on our planet!
"And my wife said 'Go upstairs and kill the boy!'  I said 'Yes... KILL
THE BOY...!'  I was so glad it wasn't ME she was mad at!"
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (CYPRESS, TX)

16) From: Paul Martin
Hey, now, I used to work for Sears repair. :^)  Actually, ordered parts for the techs.  I sympathize with looking at those schematics.  It took quite a while before I felt semi-comfortable browsing them to find the 
parts especially, when the tech is describing it over the phone.  I worked there in the early 90s.  Sorry I may have been the source of your frustration, Robert. :^)  RE: the timer..most of the time, those guys just ordered replacements for the whole timer rather than trying to fix it (I'm sure there was NO profit consideration involved.  ;^)  When I was looking for a part for my washer, I actually went online and found several parts suppliers that had the schematics online and the parts for cheaper than Sears, even factoring in shipping, so that might be an option.  Plus, there were great sites which gave me step-by-step instructions on dismanting the beast.
Paul

17) From: Eddie Dove
In recent years, they have changed part numbers a few times which can cause
quite a disconnect and they have changed who manufactures their power tools
(extent of which I do not know).  My table saw was from when they were
manufactured by Ryobi (bought in April 2000) and my 12" Dual Bevel Sliding
Compound Miter Saw was manufactured by Bosch (bought Nov. 2005).  I wanted a
part for my table saw that I knew they had at one point in time, but could
not find it.  Calling the 800 number (hit or miss) I got in touch with a
lady that was tenacious in trying to be helpful and get me an answer.  She
ended up getting in touch with someone at Craftsman Club that knew about it
and knew that the no longer carried the item (offered a complete
explanation) and were completely out of stock; even suggested who to
contact.  I really like when I get someone like her on the phone because I
can walk her through the diagrams and stuff and get exactly what I need
because she knows what to ask of someone else.  I also make it a point
(regardless of the business) of asking for her superior so that I can pay
the compliment ... I'm sure they get enough complaints.
And, like any thing else it helps to be friendly.  There is a gentleman at
the local Sears that when he sees me walk in, he immediately walks up and
asks me what I need, because he knows that when I come into the store, I am
there to buy and he also earns commission.  A while back, I walked in and he
asked what I needed and I told him that I needed another of the gas trimmer
I bought a couple years before because I had broken it and was waiting on
parts, but couldn't go any longer without one.  He responded that they had
updated that model, but it was essentially the same, but it was also
discontinued for newer models, but that he had one left as he walked off to
get it.  I see him maybe once a year, but he always remembers me and what I
purchased, "Do you need any more blades for your edger, we just them in and
I know your wife keeps coming in looking for them." ... throw 'em in the
bag.
On the other hand, last week when I had to replace the garage door opener
(chain drive), I had a hunch that I could replace just the power head
(different than the one that failed) and not everything else.    So I tried
to cross reference part numbers on the chain / cable assembly with no
success.  So I tried it anyway and it worked like a charm and saved me a few
hours.
I did look on the web for that timer (not exhaustively) and everyone had
about the same price on that timer.
Eddie
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