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Topic: freshroast+8 (14 msgs / 445 lines)
1) From: Leo Zick
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What is it with this thing?!  Received one for Christmas, and though I don't
need it, I thought it would be a good sample roaster. I tried a roast, 2
scoops, 86ccs,  of SM select.  It roasted for around 15mins, and while it
got brown, I never heard FC.  Smelled baked when I stopped.
Assumed it was my garage temps, around 40F, and waited till tonight.  Made
an espresso blend, same thing, 85-90cc's, and tried again.
15:30 into the roast, no smoke, no sounds of cracks. Warmed up the sc/to,
pulled the plug on the freshroast. Smelled the beans, a wonderful (ha) baked
smell. Threw em into the sc/to and heard SC around 7 mins later.  Odd b/c I
never heard FC, and it didn't look like SC was coming from the freshroast.
Am I missing something with this thing?  15mins is WAY too long I think.
Even if FC and SC do hit, the beans are gonna be way baked at that point.
Got it plugged into a 120V (measured) outlet. Garage was 55-60F tonight, so
that cant be it either.
Could this thing be faulty? 
:/

2) From: Darliene Stanhope
I have been roasting with the Fresh Roast for over a year and have found
that if the temp is below 50F, it won't roast the coffee worth anything.
Optimal temps for roasting with it is 65 or warmer.  With mine I can roast
to FC+ in 6 min.  I roast inside on the stove and unless I roast to Vienna
or darker the smoke is not bad.  It is possible it is faulty, but I am no
expert by any means.
Darliene
On 1/3/07, Leo Zick  wrote:
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3) From: Leo Zick
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I had a feeling a fairly high ambient temp was necessary. I don't want to
try in my house, but I will as a last resort.
Thanks!
From: Darliene Stanhope [mailto:darlienestanhope] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:18 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: freshroast+8
I have been roasting with the Fresh Roast for over a year and have found
that if the temp is below 50F, it won't roast the coffee worth anything.
Optimal temps for roasting with it is 65 or warmer.  With mine I can roast
to FC+ in 6 min.  I roast inside on the stove and unless I roast to Vienna
or darker the smoke is not bad.  It is possible it is faulty, but I am no
expert by any means.  
Darliene
On 1/3/07, Leo Zick  wrote: 
What is it with this thing?!  Received one for Christmas, and though I don't
need it, I thought it would be a good sample roaster. I tried a roast, 2
scoops, 86ccs,  of SM select.  It roasted for around 15mins, and while it
got brown, I never heard FC.  Smelled baked when I stopped. 
Assumed it was my garage temps, around 40F, and waited till tonight.  Made
an espresso blend, same thing, 85-90cc's, and tried again.
15:30 into the roast, no smoke, no sounds of cracks. Warmed up the sc/to,
pulled the plug on the freshroast. Smelled the beans, a wonderful (ha) baked
smell. Threw em into the sc/to and heard SC around 7 mins later.  Odd b/c I
never heard FC, and it didn't look like SC was coming from the freshroast. 
Am I missing something with this thing?  15mins is WAY too long I think.
Even if FC and SC do hit, the beans are gonna be way baked at that point.
Got it plugged into a 120V (measured) outlet. Garage was 55-60F tonight, so
that cant be it either.
Could this thing be faulty? 
:/

4) From: Dean
had a FR+8 for a while--2 scoops: you may be trying too much at a time. 
But I ran in the basement and thought it was way too fast. (<5 minutes 
to French)
As I re-read this, it's less useful than it coulda been...........
Sending it anyway.
Dean
In da weeds
Darliene Stanhope wrote:
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5) From: Larry English
Leo,
   Yes, it most certainly could be faulty.  But try one roast at closer to
65F or so - if that goes past 7 or 8 minutes without flaming (or at least
heavy smoke),  it's broke.  The major problem with the FreshRoast 8+ is that
it roasts way too FAST, not too slow.
  By the way, my standard load (back when it was my primary roaster) was 66g
- 2 scoops is pretty high.  So you might try a smaller load when you do a
room-temp roast.
Larry
On 1/3/07, Leo Zick  wrote:
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-- 
"You can't know the unknowable, but you can do the doable." - Jon Carroll

6) From: Leo Zick
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What am I supposed to do with 66g?  chew them while I roast a normal sized
batch in the sc/to? Lol
Sheesh. Not sure if its worth keeping. :/
From: Larry English [mailto:larrylenglish] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:06 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: freshroast+8
Leo,
   Yes, it most certainly could be faulty.  But try one roast at closer to
65F or so - if that goes past 7 or 8 minutes without flaming (or at least
heavy smoke),  it's broke.  The major problem with the FreshRoast 8+ is that
it roasts way too FAST, not too slow.  
  By the way, my standard load (back when it was my primary roaster) was 66g
- 2 scoops is pretty high.  So you might try a smaller load when you do a
room-temp roast.
Larry
On 1/3/07, Leo Zick  wrote:
What is it with this thing?!  Received one for Christmas, and though I don't
need it, I thought it would be a good sample roaster. I tried a roast, 2
scoops, 86ccs,  of SM select.  It roasted for around 15mins, and while it
got brown, I never heard FC.  Smelled baked when I stopped.
Assumed it was my garage temps, around 40F, and waited till tonight.  Made
an espresso blend, same thing, 85-90cc's, and tried again.
15:30 into the roast, no smoke, no sounds of cracks. Warmed up the sc/to,
pulled the plug on the freshroast. Smelled the beans, a wonderful (ha) baked
smell. Threw em into the sc/to and heard SC around 7 mins later.  Odd b/c I
never heard FC, and it didn't look like SC was coming from the freshroast.
Am I missing something with this thing?  15mins is WAY too long I think.
Even if FC and SC do hit, the beans are gonna be way baked at that point.
Got it plugged into a 120V (measured) outlet. Garage was 55-60F tonight, so
that cant be it either.
Could this thing be faulty? 
:/
-- 
"You can't know the unknowable, but you can do the doable." - Jon Carroll 

7) From: Lilboybrew
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Until I broke it, my FR8 worked fine. In fact, my complaint was that it
roasted a little too quickly, and 1st crack would usually run right into
2nd. The coffee would definitely be done in less than 8 minutes total,
usually less.  I think yours is broken.  :-(
Larry J (Lilboybrew)
To be good is noble, but to teach others how to be good is nobler--and less
trouble.
-  Mark Twain  
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Leo Zick
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 8:58 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: freshroast+8
What is it with this thing?!  Received one for Christmas, and though I don't
need it, I thought it would be a good sample roaster. I tried a roast, 2
scoops, 86ccs,  of SM select.  It roasted for around 15mins, and while it
got brown, I never heard FC.  Smelled baked when I stopped.
Assumed it was my garage temps, around 40F, and waited till tonight.  Made
an espresso blend, same thing, 85-90cc's, and tried again.
15:30 into the roast, no smoke, no sounds of cracks. Warmed up the sc/to,
pulled the plug on the freshroast. Smelled the beans, a wonderful (ha) baked
smell. Threw em into the sc/to and heard SC around 7 mins later.  Odd b/c I
never heard FC, and it didn't look like SC was coming from the freshroast.
Am I missing something with this thing?  15mins is WAY too long I think.
Even if FC and SC do hit, the beans are gonna be way baked at that point.
Got it plugged into a 120V (measured) outlet. Garage was 55-60F tonight, so
that cant be it either.
Could this thing be faulty? 
:/

8) From: miKe mcKoffee
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All air roasters greatly affected by Ambient temp. Think about it. They're
rapidly pulling in air then quickly heating it as it passes by the heating
element on the way to the beans. Colder air just won't heat enough during
it's short journey. Can compensate using "cardboard box" partial enclosure
method which effectively raises the ambient temp surrounding the roaster. I
roast in uninsulated garage freezing temps this way no problem. Slower air
movement also helps.
 
miKe  
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Leo Zick
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 6:29 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: RE: freshroast+8
I had a feeling a fairly high ambient temp was necessary. I don't want to
try in my house, but I will as a last resort.
Thanks!
From: Darliene Stanhope [mailto:darlienestanhope] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:18 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: freshroast+8
I have been roasting with the Fresh Roast for over a year and have found
that if the temp is below 50F, it won't roast the coffee worth anything.
Optimal temps for roasting with it is 65 or warmer.  With mine I can roast
to FC+ in 6 min.  I roast inside on the stove and unless I roast to Vienna
or darker the smoke is not bad.  It is possible it is faulty, but I am no
expert by any means.  
Darliene
On 1/3/07, Leo Zick  wrote: 
What is it with this thing?!  Received one for Christmas, and though I don't
need it, I thought it would be a good sample roaster. I tried a roast, 2
scoops, 86ccs,  of SM select.  It roasted for around 15mins, and while it
got brown, I never heard FC.  Smelled baked when I stopped. 
Assumed it was my garage temps, around 40F, and waited till tonight.  Made
an espresso blend, same thing, 85-90cc's, and tried again.
15:30 into the roast, no smoke, no sounds of cracks. Warmed up the sc/to,
pulled the plug on the freshroast. Smelled the beans, a wonderful (ha) baked
smell. Threw em into the sc/to and heard SC around 7 mins later.  Odd b/c I
never heard FC, and it didn't look like SC was coming from the freshroast. 
Am I missing something with this thing?  15mins is WAY too long I think.
Even if FC and SC do hit, the beans are gonna be way baked at that point.
Got it plugged into a 120V (measured) outlet. Garage was 55-60F tonight, so
that cant be it either.
Could this thing be faulty? 
:/

9) From: Leo Zick
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I didn't think it would be a prob since ive roasted in the cold with my
popper. I guess the few hundred watt difference makes more of an impact that
I suspected
From: miKe mcKoffee [mailto:mcKona] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:49 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: RE: freshroast+8
All air roasters greatly affected by Ambient temp. Think about it. They're
rapidly pulling in air then quickly heating it as it passes by the heating
element on the way to the beans. Colder air just won't heat enough during
it's short journey. Can compensate using "cardboard box" partial enclosure
method which effectively raises the ambient temp surrounding the roaster. I
roast in uninsulated garage freezing temps this way no problem. Slower air
movement also helps.
miKe  
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Leo Zick
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 6:29 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: RE: freshroast+8
I had a feeling a fairly high ambient temp was necessary. I don't want to
try in my house, but I will as a last resort.
Thanks!
From: Darliene Stanhope [mailto:darlienestanhope] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:18 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: freshroast+8
I have been roasting with the Fresh Roast for over a year and have found
that if the temp is below 50F, it won't roast the coffee worth anything.
Optimal temps for roasting with it is 65 or warmer.  With mine I can roast
to FC+ in 6 min.  I roast inside on the stove and unless I roast to Vienna
or darker the smoke is not bad.  It is possible it is faulty, but I am no
expert by any means.  
Darliene
On 1/3/07, Leo Zick  wrote: 
What is it with this thing?!  Received one for Christmas, and though I don't
need it, I thought it would be a good sample roaster. I tried a roast, 2
scoops, 86ccs,  of SM select.  It roasted for around 15mins, and while it
got brown, I never heard FC.  Smelled baked when I stopped. 
Assumed it was my garage temps, around 40F, and waited till tonight.  Made
an espresso blend, same thing, 85-90cc's, and tried again.
15:30 into the roast, no smoke, no sounds of cracks. Warmed up the sc/to,
pulled the plug on the freshroast. Smelled the beans, a wonderful (ha) baked
smell. Threw em into the sc/to and heard SC around 7 mins later.  Odd b/c I
never heard FC, and it didn't look like SC was coming from the freshroast. 
Am I missing something with this thing?  15mins is WAY too long I think.
Even if FC and SC do hit, the beans are gonna be way baked at that point.
Got it plugged into a 120V (measured) outlet. Garage was 55-60F tonight, so
that cant be it either.
Could this thing be faulty? 
:/

10) From: raymanowen
Leo,
You might have a bum roaster, but check first to see what happens to the
power in your garage when nothing is turned On, and how many volts you
measure with the Fresh Roast heating.
There will be a difference between No Load voltage and Full Load voltage.
My best power source is a duplex outlet, 6ft of 12-2 w/gnd Romex from the
distribution panel.
Under No Load, it shows 121.8v at the outlet, FR heating shows 120.8v at the
same outlet. So I would have 120.8v if I roasted on that outlet, but I can't
roast there.
On the back porch just now, I showed 120.4v No Load, and 120.1v heating. But
I cheat. It has less drop because I ran 10 Ga THHN Cu wire to the outlet I
use for back porch roasting. These outlets are not dedicated, but the FR
roasts like Gangbusters out back with the lowest 120.1v voltage.
Unless your distribution panel is actually in your garage where you roast,
you might consider running a sub panel out there with 30A capacity for an
electric dryer.
My Fresh Roast is a refurb. probably with the heater and blower of the +8.
It just has the 6 minute timer.
I have never set the timer to 6 minutes and let it roast, cool and stop,
scratched my head and wondered where the Hell my roasted coffee is.
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
Got Grinder?

11) From: miKe mcKoffee
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[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Leo Zick
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my popper. I guess the few hundred watt difference makes more of an impact
that I suspected
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I'm quite certain that if you roasted the same weight of the same green with
same voltage under load to same final degree of roast and final bean temp at
ambient of 75f then at 25f you'd see a substantial roast time difference (if
able to complete the 25f roast).
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.

12) From:
bad machine, return for a new one Leo...
too bad as they are great little machines.
g
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13) From: Tara Kollas
I think I agree with Ginny - I had one for two years and had no problems
with it - also, I'd roast on the kitchen counter next to the window -
generally the smoke went right out the window and the cold air kept the
roast going longer, but still not more than 6-7 minutes.
On 1/4/07, pchforever  wrote:
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14) From: Dan Hanson
I have a FR 8+ that I use 3 oz(85 grams) per batch and it works fine. If you
are not getting to first crack try putting more beans in to keep the mass
hotter. As long as the beans are still moving with the more beans you should
be good. Also that is pretty cold to be running it in. I tried it once in
the back porch when it was cold and never did it again.
Dan
On 1/3/07, Leo Zick  wrote:
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