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Topic: grinder cleaning frequency (35 msgs / 938 lines)
1) From: Kevin
Hi all,
I have an SMP burr grinder and was wondering how often I should
disassemble it for cleaning?  Is once a month too infrequent?
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My home coffee roasting blog:http://homecoffeeroastblog.blogspot.com/Kevin

2) From: Vicki Smith
I clean mine after I have run a pound of beans through it--in our house 
about once a week. They are easy to clean, btw. The upper burr just 
lifts out. I use a stiff toothbrush on both burrs and then blow whatever 
is left out of the way with compressed air. This is best done outside as 
it makes a bit of a mess.
vicki
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3) From: raymanowen
Hi, Kevin,
"Is once a month too infrequent?" Not at all, if you only grind monthly and
clean right after each grind.
In my opinion, you really don't do much real disassembly to thoroughly clean
the SMP.
Just remove the bean hopper, the upper burr and brush it off. I use an
automotive parts cleaning brush that's shaped like a stiff bristled
christmas tree on both burrs. I also vacuum the top and output ports with a
vacuum hose.
The burrs on my BUFF grinder are not so easy to access. I dig out under and
brush off the burrs on at least a monthly basis. Often weekly. Vacuum too.
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
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4) From: David Morgenlender
I have a Rocky, which had started to give me very frequent problems with
producing VERY bitter coffee.  I actually had a combination of problems, =
since
my Presto Scandi had this problem, but to a lesser degree.  But I finally=
 nailed
down the culprits.
I had taken Rocky apart & cleaned it.  I would run instant rice through =
it.
Everything worked ... for maybe 2 or 3 grinding sessions (the thorough =
cleaning
maybe a few more than this).  Finally yesterday I got down to business.  =
I
noticed that no matter how much instant rice I ran through the beast, it =
would
never come out totally white.  Also, there would be an occasional coffee =
grind
making an appearnace.  So, I realized the problem wasn't that Rocky got
ridiculously dirty again and the coffee grounds turned rancid very =
quickly,
which seemed absurd in this time frame.  The problem was old grinds not =
being
throughly cleaned out, except in the thorough cleaning.  But the thorough
cleaning was too much work to have to do every couple of days.  
It turns out Rocky keeps a huge amount of old grounds hanging around =
outside the
usual bean path.  The grounds probably fly in the air during grinding & =
choose
to land wherever they want.  Then during future grinding some of these =
old (&
now rancid) grounds find there way back into the bean path.
Now the problem was getting rid of them easily.  I could not come close =
to
cleaning them out using a brush, or even a nozzle on a dustbuster.  The =
finger
guard is in the way.  So I removed the finger guard, cleaned out the =
piles of
old grounds, put the screws back in, and put some scotch tape over the =
slots
containing the screw heads (fortunately the screw holes were deep enough =
for the
screws to fully seat or the hopper would be loose unless I dug up some
appropriate washers).  Now I still have to clean frequently, but I can =
clean out
Rocky very easily with brush & dustbuster ... I just have to remember to =
keep
out while grinding, since there's no guard for my fingers (& to unplug =
when
getting in there to be safe);  also, grounds do fly around more without =
the
guard in place.
So I can say that after a single brew with the cleaned grinder I have
experienced no more bitterness!
The short answer for your SMP ... it really depends upon the design of =
the
grinder!
Dave
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5) From: miKe mcKoffee
I do "through the grinder" quick cleaning about weekly (Minute Rice or
currently Urnex Grindz 'cuz got free samples), take apart thorough cleaning
every few months. 
If you wait until noticing off smells from your grinder and/or off tastes in
your brew you've gone too long between cleanings.
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
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6) From: Nate
miKe,
Can you elaborate on the rice.  What are you doing with the rice?  Just
running it through the grinder?  I have a Solis Maestro Classic that I take
apart and brush off, but I'm new to the rice idea.
Thanks,
Nate
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7) From: TERRY TITSWORTH
Hi Mike,
Have you or anyone else on this board used old wheat kernals for a cleaner?
I have a 3 gal. bucket almost full of the stuff, given to my by my wifes
former employer. I think it is about gone as far as useful as a food
product. I've had it for over 3 years and haven't done any special storage
or anything. Might it be too hard on burr grinders?
TerryT
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8) From: miKe mcKoffee
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No I haven't and personally wouldn't.
miKe  
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of TERRY TITSWORTH
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 1:06 PM
Hi Mike,
Have you or anyone else on this board used old wheat kernals for a cleaner? 
I have a 3 gal. bucket almost full of the stuff, given to my by my wifes
former employer. I think it is about gone as far as useful as a food
product. I've had it for over 3 years and haven't done any special storage
or anything. Might it be too hard on burr grinders? 
 
TerryT

9) From: miKe mcKoffee
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With grinders that it's very quick and easy to remove the upper burr and
access the lower burr, by all means do so. Higher end grinders often require
removing screws and such and hence quick grinds path cleaning running Minute
Rice or Grindz through the grinder for inbetween thorough cleanings.
 
miKe  
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Nate
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 11:35 AM
miKe, 
Can you elaborate on the rice.  What are you doing with the rice?  Just
running it through the grinder?  I have a Solis Maestro Classic that I take
apart and brush off, but I'm new to the rice idea.  
Thanks,
Nate 

10) From: Dave Ehrenkranz
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Why doesn't left over rice grinds in the grind path cause problems?
dave
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Why doesn't left over rice =
grinds in the grind path cause =
problems?dave
On Jan 9, 2007, at 3:36 PM, =
miKe mcKoffee wrote:With grinders that it's very quick and easy =
to remove the upper burr and access the lower burr, by all means do so. =
Higher end grinders often require removing screws and such and hence =
quick grinds path cleaning running Minute Rice or Grindz through the =
grinder for inbetween thorough =
cleanings. 
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11) From: RK
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What you are supposed to clean your grinder?:O)
RK

12) From: miKe mcKoffee
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Part of cleaning is brushing and or vacuuming out residual cleaner dust (be
it Grindz or Minute Rice) and ending with short coffee bean grind flush if
desired to get the last unseen remnants. Coffee flush isn't absolutely
necessary, I've actually pulled a shot grinding without a flush and while
did notice a few white specks in the grinds didn't taste any rice in the
shot. That or the rice flavor blended quite well, who can be sure!
 
 But "problems"? What kind of problems do you speculate? 
 
miKe  
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Dave Ehrenkranz
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 5:07 PM
Why doesn't left over rice grinds in the grind path cause problems? 
dave
On Jan 9, 2007, at 3:36 PM, miKe mcKoffee wrote:
With grinders that it's very quick and easy to remove the upper burr and
access the lower burr, by all means do so. Higher end grinders often require
removing screws and such and hence quick grinds path cleaning running Minute
Rice or Grindz through the grinder for inbetween thorough cleanings.

13) From: miKe mcKoffee
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Absolutely NOT! And NEVER clean your portafilter or basket or group or
anything else touched by coffee ground or brewed. A goodly build up of stale
rancid coffee adds character to the cup don't you know! :-)
 
miKe  
From: homeroast-admin
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Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 5:29 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +grinder cleaning frequency
What you are supposed to clean your grinder?:O)
RK

14) From: Dave Ehrenkranz
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I would assume the rice grinds left in the grind path would tend to  
go stale and leave a bad taste as the coffee grinds would. Albeit not  
as bad?
dave
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I would assume the rice grinds =
left in the grind path would tend to go stale and leave a bad taste as =
the coffee grinds would. Albeit not as bad?dave
On Jan =
9, 2007, at 5:32 PM, miKe mcKoffee wrote: =
 Part of cleaning is brushing =
and or vacuuming out residual cleaner dust (be it Grindz or Minute Rice) =
and ending with short coffee bean grind flush if desired to get the last =
unseen remnants. Coffee flush isn't absolutely necessary, I've actually =
pulled a shot grinding without a flush and while did notice a few white =
specks in the grinds didn't taste any rice in the shot. That or the =
rice flavor blended quite well, who can be sure! =
   But "problems"? What kind of =
problems do you speculate?    miKe
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Ehrenkranz
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grind path cause problems?  dave  
    On =
Jan 9, 2007, at 3:36 PM, miKe mcKoffee wrote:      With     grinders that it's =
very quick and easy to remove the upper burr and access     the lower =
burr, by all means do so. Higher end grinders often require     removing =
screws and such and hence quick grinds path cleaning running Minute     =
Rice or Grindz through the grinder for inbetween thorough     =
cleanings.    
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15) From: RK
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Absolutely NOT! And NEVER clean your portafilter or basket or group or =
anything else touched by coffee ground or brewed. A goodly build up of =
stale rancid coffee adds character to the cup don't you know! :-)
Coffee goes rancid, not according to 
Folgers, there I've said it, the F word. Shame on me.
Saw a commercial using Folgers, they were doing a taste test using a new =
canister of Folgers Red Label and one that was (40+days old) the man =
testing was blindfolded and he tried coffee made from the new can and =
said very good, then he tried a cup made from the very old can and said =
hey I thought this was a taste test, and you just gave me the same =
coffee.
It was a promotion for their flavor seal canister.
Shame on them for deciving the public.
RK

16) From: Les
Ron,
The deception is that both the cans were preground and packed in the same
lot of coffee about 400 days ago!
Les
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17) From: raymanowen
Complicated coffee.
Now we need air compressors?
"...blow whatever is left out of the way with compressed air."
Then, pick the >whatever< out of the switch contacts or whatever unknown
evil recess it may pick to land...
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
-- 
"When the theme hits the bass, I dance the Jig!" - -Virgil Fox at the Mighty
Wichita (ex- NYC Paramount) WurliTzer- 1976

18) From: Brett Mason
Compressed air has always been an incredible argument on this list - but
it's been two years since we got into it...
Let the games begin!
Brett
On 1/9/07, raymanowen  wrote:
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19) From: Les
I sure like my 5 horsepower, double piston eighty gallon tank air
compressor.  It sure makes it easy to clean things.
Les
On 1/9/07, Brett Mason  wrote:
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20) From: Jeremy DeFranco
As for me, I'll be giving the 3.5 oz Staples compressed air duster (computer
cleaner kit) a try! Cheers!
---I sure like my 5 horsepower, double piston eighty gallon tank air
compressor.  It sure makes it easy to clean things.
Les

21) From: Steven Van Dyke
Ron,
Shame on you for saying Folger's is deceiving people by saying you
can't tell when their coffee has been open for 40+ days!
You should know that it's a true statement.
Stuff starts off tasting like stale carp and 40 - heck, probably 90+
days later, it still tastes like carp!
At 09:08 PM 1/9/2007, you wrote:
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22) From: Brett Mason
Does stale carp taste worse than fresh carp?
On 1/10/07, Steven Van Dyke  wrote:
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Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com

23) From: miKe mcKoffee
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Why assume, confirm for yourself. Grind some coffee and place in a baggy.
Grind some Minute Rice and place in a baggy. Let them both sit at room temp
for a month. Open and smell.
 
miKe  
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Dave Ehrenkranz
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 6:06 PM
I would assume the rice grinds left in the grind path would tend to go stale
and leave a bad taste as the coffee grinds would. Albeit not as bad? 
dave

24) From: derbyrm
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Yeah!  Moves the dirt and dust from one place where you don't want it to =
another place where you don't want it.  ;-)    But they are fun.
Roger
derbyrm http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm

25) From: Peter Zulkowski
Ron,
You forgot one important detail!
It was Folger's they were testing.
I have had there decaf, forgotten about in the garage after camping, 
*nine months later*, and it was still as /good/ as when it was first 
opened :)
Nope, I do not want to comment on how they do this...
PeterZ
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26) From: RK
I get it, it wasn't worth a crap when it was first opened and 40 days later 
its still not worth a crap, so its just as good as the day it was first 
opened, AH now I get it, so they were not deceiving just plain honest.:O)
RK

27) From: Eddie Dove
Vacuum is cleaner.
Eddie
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My Home Coffee Roasting Blog and Profiles for the Gene Cafehttp://southcoastcoffeeroaster.blogspot.com/On 1/10/07, Jeremy DeFranco  wrote:
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28) From: raymanowen
PSST! There really is no argument.
I have made pretty decent chump change fixing electro mechanical equipment
that had often stopped because of dirty contacts.
If you cut loose with an air hose, you send dirt and particulate from one
point out to all directions. A vacuum pulls the crud to a known spot.
The reason they wouldn't let you do that in high school machine shop class
is that the school board didn't like paying the medical expenses for the
student that got it in the eye.
Please continue to blow dirt around with an air hose. Use a cheap compressor
because the problems you cause could be expensive, or get a shop compressor
and blow the dirt further.
Then when the machine won't run, throw it away and buy new rather than
repair it. Ditto when the thermal fuse or the brushes go potty. The American
way, continued.
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
"...the great enemy of truth is very often not the lie--deliberate,
contrived and dishonest--but the myth--persistent, persuasive--of our
forebears. We enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of
thought."*
John F. Kennedy, Yale, 6-11-1962*

29) From: Larry Johnson
I've spent several decades maintaining,
commissioning, troubleshooting electrical/mechanical  equipment in a
very wide variety of applications and processes. I've never seen a problem
caused by vacuuming dust/debris from a mechanism, but I've seen some drastic
results from trying to blow something clean.
Larry J (Lilboybrew)...out, damned spot....
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"Having a positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it annoys
enough people to make it worth the effort."
On 1/10/07, Eddie Dove  wrote:
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30) From: Justin Marquez
On 1/10/07, Larry Johnson  wrote:
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Why... what did the poor dog do...?
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (CYPRESS, TX)

31) From: Leo Zick
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a separate one i hope.. makes for a smelly vacuum!  
From: Eddie Dove [mailto:southcoastcoffeeroaster] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 11:02 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +Grinder Cleaning Frequency
Vacuum is cleaner.
Eddie
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My Home Coffee Roasting Blog and Profiles for the Gene Cafehttp://southcoastcoffeeroaster.blogspot.com/ 
On 1/10/07, Jeremy DeFranco  wrote: 
As for me, I'll be giving the 3.5 oz Staples compressed air duster (computer
cleaner kit) a try! Cheers!
---I sure like my 5 horsepower, double piston eighty gallon tank air
compressor.  It sure makes it easy to clean things. 
Les

32) From: Eddie Dove
Cyclonic type ... no smell, no problem.
Eddie
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My Home Coffee Roasting Blog and Profiles for the Gene Cafehttp://southcoastcoffeeroaster.blogspot.com/On 1/11/07, Leo Zick  wrote:
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33) From: Leo Zick
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i have a dyson.. the grinds stay in the tube folds and filter areas, so when
you vacumm the house, stale coffee smell everywhere..  ugh. i spent over an
hour cleaning it after that attempt and refuse to use it now. grindz for me.
 
glad it works for you though!
 
though ive just ordered hardwood for the whole house, thatll show the carpet
nasties!  
From: Eddie Dove [mailto:southcoastcoffeeroaster] 
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 10:25 AM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +Grinder Cleaning Frequency
Cyclonic type ... no smell, no problem.
Eddie
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On 1/11/07, Leo Zick  wrote: 
a separate one i hope.. makes for a smelly vacuum!  
From: Eddie Dove [mailto:southcoastcoffeeroaster] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 11:02 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +Grinder Cleaning Frequency
Vacuum is cleaner.
Eddie
-- 
My Home Coffee Roasting Blog and Profiles for the Gene Cafehttp://southcoastcoffeeroaster.blogspot.com/ 
On 1/10/07, Jeremy DeFranco  wrote: 
As for me, I'll be giving the 3.5 oz Staples compressed air duster (computer
cleaner kit) a try! Cheers!
---I sure like my 5 horsepower, double piston eighty gallon tank air
compressor.  It sure makes it easy to clean things. 
Les

34) From: Eddie Dove
Leo,
I replaced the carpet with wood (ALL OF IT) after hurricane Katrina so that
vacuum doesn't get use a lot anymore.  My wife predominately uses the
Rainbow for the wood and brick floors.
Come to think of it, I just got back from being out of town, and I don't
remember seeing that vacuum in the closet last night ...
Eddie
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My Home Coffee Roasting Blog and Profiles for the Gene Cafehttp://southcoastcoffeeroaster.blogspot.com/On 1/11/07, Leo Zick  wrote:
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35) From: miKe mcKoffee
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Small 1.5 HP shop-vac dedicated for all things coffee from routine post
roast chaff duty to grinder vacuuming. Even good for occasional spill if
necessary:-)
 
miKe  
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Leo Zick
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:29 AM
i have a dyson.. the grinds stay in the tube folds and filter areas, so when
you vacumm the house, stale coffee smell everywhere..  ugh. i spent over an
hour cleaning it after that attempt and refuse to use it now. grindz for me.
 
glad it works for you though!
 
though ive just ordered hardwood for the whole house, thatll show the carpet
nasties!  
From: Eddie Dove [mailto:southcoastcoffeeroaster] 
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 10:25 AM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +Grinder Cleaning Frequency
Cyclonic type ... no smell, no problem.
Eddie
-- 
My Home Coffee Roasting Blog and Profiles for the Gene Cafehttp://southcoastcoffeeroaster.blogspot.com/ 
On 1/11/07, Leo Zick  wrote: 
a separate one i hope.. makes for a smelly vacuum!  
From: Eddie Dove [mailto:southcoastcoffeeroaster] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 11:02 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +Grinder Cleaning Frequency
Vacuum is cleaner.
Eddie
-- 
My Home Coffee Roasting Blog and Profiles for the Gene Cafehttp://southcoastcoffeeroaster.blogspot.com/ 
On 1/10/07, Jeremy DeFranco  wrote: 
As for me, I'll be giving the 3.5 oz Staples compressed air duster (computer
cleaner kit) a try! Cheers!
---I sure like my 5 horsepower, double piston eighty gallon tank air
compressor.  It sure makes it easy to clean things. 
Les


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