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Topic: Zass vs electric grinder (40 msgs / 1262 lines)
1) From: Laura Micucci
Hello All,
   
  I am looking to go further down the slippery slope and purchase a burr grinder and move my whirly blade on to back up duty.  I have paid attention to all of the helpful posts here about what grinder is best etc.  I'm not in a position to spend a lot of cash and I am not into espresso at home (yet).  So It is between a SMP or the KitcheAid proline or a Zass.  
   
  What I would like is anyone's opinion on the differences, advantages, disadvantages of the Zass vs elelctric grinder.  In my amature status I am guessing a Zass has less parts and therefor is easier to keep clean?  Obviously an electric grinder is a lot less "exercise".  
   
  Your thoughts?
   
  Thanks in advance.
   
Laura
  Making the world a better place one bean at a time.
  www.freshroastedforyou.com

2) From: Brett Mason
They all get dirty, they all need cleaning.
We're about 60-40 in favor of the electrics on this list.
We're about 70-30 for the SMP over the Kitchen-Aid on this list.
I happen to love my Zasses and my Trossers.  I also have a Cory electric
which was made by Hobart/Ketchen-Aid in the 50's.  I also have a Rocky
doserless which I love.
Some people don't like the zass because they don't like or cannot grind
manually.  Some have bought recent zasses and been disappointed in the
grind.  Most Zass owners love them and won't part with them.
Some people disparage the Solis Maestro Plus because only the top burr is
removable.  Turned out that the bottom burr aslo comes out, but unscrews
opposite what you'd expect.  Also the SMP is reputed not to be fine enough
and consistent enough for espresso, though some use it.
Some don't like the Kitchen-Aid because apparently they don't get the grind
they want.  I love my Cory for drip - it's essentially an old Kitchen-Aid.
Maybe you should ask a more gentle question, like religion or politics...
Brett
On 1/13/07, Laura Micucci  wrote:
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Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com

3) From: Vicki Smith
I like hand grinders just fine, but not when I have to make two 40 oz 
pots of coffee in the early AM (one for us at home and one to be packed 
up for my husband to take to work). When I made the decision to get an 
espresso machine, I would have gotten a zass from Ebay if I hadn't been 
able to go ahead and get the rocky or equivalent.
My solis classic has been fine for my other coffee needs.
v
Brett Mason wrote:
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4) From: Larry Johnson
Brett, you're killing me.
Larry J (Lilboybrew) ....laughing too hard to think of a tag line.....
On 1/13/07, Brett Mason  wrote:
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"Having a positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it annoys
enough people to make it worth the effort."

5) From: Eddie Dove
Laura,
Brett pretty much nailed it.  I did have the KitchenAid Pro Line grinder and
I really liked it; it improved my drip coffee tremendously.  KitchenAid
customer service is outstanding.  I have upgraded my grinder and the only
reason I no longer have the KitchenAid is because someone made me an offer I
couldn't refuse.  I have never owned a Solis, but I cannot recall anyone not
liking it and I have been considering buying one as a travel grinder.
I have a few hand grinders, but they are nostalgic for me ... carpal tunnel.
Whatever you decide, do make sure you ask this list about what kind of rice
to use to clean it.
Respectfully,
Eddie
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6) From: Mike Chester
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  Some don't like the Kitchen-Aid because apparently they don't get the =
grind they want.  I love my Cory for drip - it's essentially an old =
Kitchen-Aid.
  Kitchen Aid is not made by Hobart any longer.  They sold the brand to =
Whirlpool about 15 years ago and the products they make are not nearly =
as good as when Hobart owned them.  
  Mike Chester

7) From: Dan Mouer

8) From: Alchemist John
I loved (it is currently on load to a convert) using my Zass, and 
currently use one of the large German navy surplus Trossers and love 
it even more.  The only two issues I had with the Zass was the small 
drawer (it holds half the amount of the hopper), and it took a couple 
minutes to grind coffee enough for a pot full.  My Trosser OTOH I can 
have a pot's worth ground in under a minute. It has much larger burrs.
If you don't mind the manual aspect (it has never bothered me), the 
grind is great on Zass's (older at least - some issues with new one's 
it seems) and even better on the Trosser due to a lower burr centering guide.
After moving up from a whacky blade I have not used an electric model 
on a daily basis nor do I plan to buy one.  As for as exercise - if 
you are capable, I can only add that to the benefits column.  If you 
are being money conscience, I don't think a manual can be beat in the 
long term.
There are my thoughts.
At 18:59 1/13/2007, you wrote:
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John Nanci
AlChemist at large
Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.chocolatealchemy.com/

9) From: Laura Micucci
Brett Mason  wrote:    They all get dirty, they all need cleaning.
We're about 60-40 in favor of the electrics on this list.
We're about 70-30 for the SMP over the Kitchen-Aid on this list.
   
  Great stats, thanks!
I happen to love my Zasses and my Trossers.  I also have a Cory electric which was made by Hobart/Ketchen-Aid in the 50's.  I also have a Rocky doserless which I love. 
   
  I haven't heard much about Trosser grinders.  Are they easy to come by? I've read a lot here about getting a Zass on Ebay Germany but I am lost there.  Spreken ze no Deutch!  (nor can I spell it)
Some people don't like the zass because they don't like or cannot grind manually.  Some have bought recent zasses and been disappointed in the grind.  Most Zass owners love them and won't part with them. 
Some people disparage the Solis Maestro Plus because only the top burr is removable.  Turned out that the bottom burr aslo comes out, but unscrews opposite what you'd expect.  Also the SMP is reputed not to be fine enough and consistent enough for espresso, though some use it. 
   
  Some don't like the Kitchen-Aid because apparently they don't get the grind they want.  I love my Cory for drip - it's essentially an old Kitchen-Aid.
Maybe you should ask a more gentle question, like religion or politics... 
   
  :oX
Brett
  On 1/13/07, Laura Micucci  wrote:    Hello All,
   
  I am looking to go further down the slippery slope and purchase a burr grinder and move my whirly blade on to back up duty.  I have paid attention to all of the helpful posts here about what grinder is best etc.  I'm not in a position to spend a lot of cash and I am not into espresso at home (yet).  So It is between a SMP or the KitcheAid proline or a Zass.  
   
  What I would like is anyone's opinion on the differences, advantages, disadvantages of the Zass vs elelctric grinder.  In my amature status I am guessing a Zass has less parts and therefor is easier to keep clean?  Obviously an electric grinder is a lot less "exercise".  
   
  Your thoughts?
   
  Thanks in advance.
   
  Laura
  Making the world a better place one bean at a time.
  www.freshroastedforyou.com 
-- 
Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com
Laura
  Making the world a better place one bean at a time.
  www.freshroastedforyou.com

10) From: Laura Micucci
     I have a few hand grinders, but they are nostalgic for me ... carpal tunnel.   
  Me too, both wrists.  had the surgery a couple years ago and except for a little loss of strength things are great!  
       Whatever you decide, do make sure you ask this list about what kind of rice to use to clean it.
   
  Oh, no need. I already have that covered.  I've been paying attention: minute rice cooked for 10 minutes and then cooled. taking speacial care not to rinse any of the starch from the rice.  right?  ;o)
  Thanks Eddie!
  
Eddie Dove  wrote:
    Laura,
Brett pretty much nailed it.  I did have the KitchenAid Pro Line grinder and I really liked it; it improved my drip coffee tremendously.  KitchenAid customer service is outstanding.  I have upgraded my grinder and the only reason I no longer have the KitchenAid is because someone made me an offer I couldn't refuse.  I have never owned a Solis, but I cannot recall anyone not liking it and I have been considering buying one as a travel grinder.  
I have a few hand grinders, but they are nostalgic for me ... carpal tunnel.
   
  Whatever you decide, do make sure you ask this list about what kind of rice to use to clean it.
   
    Respectfully,
Eddie 
-- 
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  On 1/13/07, Laura Micucci  wrote:    Hello All,
   
  I am looking to go further down the slippery slope and purchase a burr grinder and move my whirly blade on to back up duty.  I have paid attention to all of the helpful posts here about what grinder is best etc.  I'm not in a position to spend a lot of cash and I am not into espresso at home (yet).  So It is between a SMP or the KitcheAid proline or a Zass.  
   
  What I would like is anyone's opinion on the differences, advantages, disadvantages of the Zass vs elelctric grinder.  In my amature status I am guessing a Zass has less parts and therefor is easier to keep clean?  Obviously an electric grinder is a lot less "exercise".  
   
  Your thoughts?
   
  Thanks in advance.
   
  Laura
  Making the world a better place one bean at a time.
  www.freshroastedforyou.com 
Laura
  Making the world a better place one bean at a time.
  www.freshroastedforyou.com

11) From: Laura Micucci
currently use one of the large German navy surplus Trossers and love 
it even more.
   
  John, where did you get this grinder?
   
  Thanks for your thoughts.  I have no problem manually grinding.  I am only grinding for myself and if it cuts time at the gym out (which I doubt) then hooray!
   
Alchemist John  wrote:
  I loved (it is currently on load to a convert) using my Zass, and 
currently use one of the large German navy surplus Trossers and love 
it even more. The only two issues I had with the Zass was the small 
drawer (it holds half the amount of the hopper), and it took a couple 
minutes to grind coffee enough for a pot full. My Trosser OTOH I can 
have a pot's worth ground in under a minute. It has much larger burrs.
If you don't mind the manual aspect (it has never bothered me), the 
grind is great on Zass's (older at least - some issues with new one's 
it seems) and even better on the Trosser due to a lower burr centering guide.
After moving up from a whacky blade I have not used an electric model 
on a daily basis nor do I plan to buy one. As for as exercise - if 
you are capable, I can only add that to the benefits column. If you 
are being money conscience, I don't think a manual can be beat in the 
long term.
There are my thoughts.
At 18:59 1/13/2007, you wrote:
<Snip>
John Nanci
AlChemist at large
Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.chocolatealchemy.com/Laura  Making the world a better place one bean at a time.
  www.freshroastedforyou.com

12) From: Brian Kamnetz
Brett,
Excellent summary of lots and lots of discussion. I'm saving this one!
Brian
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13) From: Brian Kamnetz
AlChemist John,
Thanks for your review of the Giant Trosser. I've been wondering what you
impression might be after using it for a while.
Brian
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14) From: Eddie Dove
That's right ... and finish up with pablum ...
Eddie
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15) From: Laura Micucci
Pablum    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  
  Jump to: navigation, search
  Pablum was a cereal for infants marketed by the Mead Johnson Corporation. The trade name is a contracted form of the Latin word pabulum, meaning foodstuff.
  Pablum was invented in 1930 by Canadian paediatricians Frederick Tisdall, Theodore Drake, and Alan Brown, in cooperation with nutrition laboratory technician Ruth Herbert, all of the Hospital for Sick Children in Toronto. The cereal marked a breakthrough in nutritional science: it helped prevent rickets, a crippling childhood disease, by ensuring that children have enough vitamin D in their diet. Although Pablum was not the first food designed and sold specifically for babies, it was the first baby food to come pre-cooked and thoroughly dried. The ease of preparation made Pablum successful in an era when infant malnutrition was still a major problem in industrialized countries.
  Pablum was made from a mixture of ground and pre-cooked wheat, oat, corn meal, bone meal, yeast and alfalfa, providing minerals and vitamins A, B1, B2, D and E. It is palatable and easily digestible, without causing side effects like diarrhea or constipation. Pablum is also unlikely to cause allergic reactions, as it does not contain eggs, lactose or nuts of any kind.
  For a period of 25 years, the Toronto Paediatric Foundation and the Hospital for Sick Children received a royalty on every package of Pablum sold. The Pablum brand was later acquired by the H. J. Heinz Company. As of 2005, Pablum cereals are no longer being produced.
  OH NO!  It looks like they don't make this anymore.  Any idea where I can get some left over??
   
  (geeze how old are you? DUCKING!)  ;o)
   
  Laura...
   
Eddie Dove  wrote:
  That's right ... and finish up with pablum ...
Eddie
-- 
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  On 1/14/07, Laura Micucci  wrote:       I have a few hand grinders, but they are nostalgic for me ... carpal tunnel.    
  Me too, both wrists.  had the surgery a couple years ago and except for a little loss of strength things are great!  
       Whatever you decide, do make sure you ask this list about what kind of rice to use to clean it.
   
  Oh, no need. I already have that covered.  I've been paying attention: minute rice cooked for 10 minutes and then cooled. taking speacial care not to rinse any of the starch from the rice.  right?  ;o) 
  Thanks Eddie!
    
Eddie Dove < southcoastcoffeeroaster> wrote:
    Laura,
Brett pretty much nailed it.  I did have the KitchenAid Pro Line grinder and I really liked it; it improved my drip coffee tremendously.  KitchenAid customer service is outstanding.  I have upgraded my grinder and the only reason I no longer have the KitchenAid is because someone made me an offer I couldn't refuse.  I have never owned a Solis, but I cannot recall anyone not liking it and I have been considering buying one as a travel grinder.  
I have a few hand grinders, but they are nostalgic for me ... carpal tunnel.
   
  Whatever you decide, do make sure you ask this list about what kind of rice to use to clean it.
   
    Respectfully,
Eddie 
-- 
My Home Coffee Roasting Blog and Profiles for the Gene Cafe http://themeyers.org/HomeRoast/">http://southcoastcoffeeroaster.blogspot.com/Sweet Maria's List - Searchable Archives http://themeyers.org/HomeRoast/
  On 1/13/07, Laura Micucci  wrote:     Hello All,
   
  I am looking to go further down the slippery slope and purchase a burr grinder and move my whirly blade on to back up duty.  I have paid attention to all of the helpful posts here about what grinder is best etc.  I'm not in a position to spend a lot of cash and I am not into espresso at home (yet).  So It is between a SMP or the KitcheAid proline or a Zass.  
   
  What I would like is anyone's opinion on the differences, advantages, disadvantages of the Zass vs elelctric grinder.  In my amature status I am guessing a Zass has less parts and therefor is easier to keep clean?  Obviously an electric grinder is a lot less "exercise".  
   
  Your thoughts?
   
  Thanks in advance.
   
  Laura
  Making the world a better place one bean at a time.
  www.freshroastedforyou.com 
  Laura
  Making the world a better place one bean at a time.
  www.freshroastedforyou.com

16) From: Alchemist John
To make it clear, it's larger size is what I really like about 
it.  It is so much beefier than any of the Zass' or standard sized 
Trossers.  More leverage, larger burrs, more stability.  The only 
thing that I could even consider criticize about it would be its 
military drab green color and that the adjustment screw is under the 
burrs instead of on top.  I have completely gotten used to both 
though and don't think of either on a daily basis.
At 11:47 1/14/2007, you wrote:
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John Nanci
AlChemist at large
Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.chocolatealchemy.com/

17) From: Paul Martin
John,
I'm not sure I've seen what this one looks like.  Do you have a link to =
one
or perhaps see one for auction?  My manual grinder is a Trosser as the
Zasses were too high.  Mine ended up being about $15 shipped.  It's =
pretty
good, though especially when I grind larger for FP, it's not as =
consistent.
It's better when I stop it down almost the whole way for espresso, =
though if
I'm not careful I do see some metal flakes in there....yum. Need more =
metal
in my diet!  Mine is the open hopper version.  The only challenge I've
noticed with that is when I'm grinding and the beans are almost gone, I =
can
pop a few fragments out the open top with the grinding pressure...it's a
little messy.
Paul
4 Roasts under my belt and counting. :^)

18) From: Eddie Dove
Mmmmmmmm, good coffee ... lot's of iron!
On 1/14/07, Paul Martin  wrote:
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19) From: Paul Martin
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Even better for an all around vitamins and minerals.
 
Also, public thank you to Brian Kamnetz who e-mailed some pics of the =
Giant
Trosser.  Now THAT's a manual grinder.  You get a work out just lifting =
it.
:^)
 
Paul

20) From: Brett Mason
Castle notes....  ( note - pictures can be seen athttp://homeroast.freeservers.com)
Cory lives next to my Melitta Clarity on the counter for our daily drip.
Above it, in the cupboard is my Zassenhaus 499 - a knee mill of light beech
which I bought on eBay.  My other Zass is at work on my shelf but used daily
with my Bodum French Press and my Swissgold 1 cup.  My trosser is downstairs
on the workshop, disassembled as I want to clean up the wood.  My other
Trosser is two doors down from mine at the office, a gift to my boss who now
roasts 3-5x a week in his new iRoast 2 (convert - I'm an evangelist).  I
have bought fixed and sold several other zasses as well...
Across the kitchen is a counter with a sink, beyond which is a sun room of
12'x15' where my Espresso Station sits - it's a 2'x2' case with a formica
top that matches my black granit counter tops.  On it sits my Unic Diva HX
machine, my Folgers knock-box, and my Rancilio Rocky...  My stash sits below
it in a large whicker basket - currently about 70lb of beans...  In the
station is also my Cory Vacpot, my Kwik-Drip, my Poppery popper, and my
balance scale, plus some other knick-knacks.  I have a couple other Cory
vacpots in a basket alongside the station, getting ready for sale on eBay...
Outside on the porch is my grill, with my RK Drum motor, and my home-made
drum.  My skillet sits on the side-burner for skillet roasting.  There's a
stainless bowl that lives in the skillet, ready for use with HG-DB, but I
haven't used it for this.  Sometimes it holds cider and wood chips for
helping smoke inside the weber, but that is off-topic, so please ignore...
I do have lots of stuff, most all of it is bought at a great discount, and
turned for profit or put to good use.  My buy-sell habits have funded my
coffee hobby, so my coffee costs me $2.58 per lb...
Hope that clarifies some...
Brett
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21) From: raymanowen
Please! Can we cease all talk of "Slippery Slopes?"  It's a ++Ungood theme.
Today warmed up a bit and the street surfaces were a bit wet. What a
derby awaits in the morning! I'm going to roast some Ethiopian Harar
Green Stripe tonight and enjoy the traffic reports in the morning over
a double shot.
Sorry to say, it's been a daily cavalcade of Abbott & Costello Midget
Car Maniacs rollovers, wrecks and cars in the ditch every work morning
for the last 4 mini blizzards.
Ccheers -R-rayO, a-k-ka O-p-pa!
Bangkok is 84 F, Barrow, AK is (-)06, we're (+)06  and Manila is
84 F right now. Egad...

22) From: Eddie Dove
I agree RayO!
... and with all those people that think THEIR vehicles can make it, I thin=
k
they should follow George Carlin's opinion for rule changes in football ...
'Leave the injured on the field!"
It makes more of a lasting impression ... maybe people will drive with a bi=
t
more sanity on the black ice.
Eddie
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23) From: Alchemist John
There you go.http://flickr.com/photos/28677876/358166338/Back up on level for a couple extra shots.
This one was more like $115, but IMO worth every penny.  Not to imply 
you aren't paying for functionality with a Zass (they are beautiful), 
but with this one, that is what you are paying for.
At 14:35 1/14/2007, you wrote:
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John Nanci
AlChemist at large
Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.chocolatealchemy.com/

24) From: Leo Zick
http://flickr.com/photos/28677876/70310129/in/photostream/Halloween?

25) From: Lynne
You have to admit, with all the interesting items in your photos, you 
must have KNOWN the one thing we'd be wondering about.... is that 
jello?.. I hope... (or do I hope)? Everyday meal?
What is the REAL meaning of your achronym
Is there something about yourself you haven't told your family here??
Lynne
On Jan 15, 2007, at 8:20 AM, Leo Zick wrote:
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26) From: Alchemist John
What gives you that idea? :P
At 05:20 1/15/2007, you wrote:
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John Nanci
AlChemist at large
Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.chocolatealchemy.com/

27) From: Alchemist John
Not that I would not do a real brain (non-human of course) but with 
all the prion diseases around now days, one has to be very cautious.
about my family...hrm
My mother keeps my dad, brother-in-law and nephew all in a cedar chest.
Cremated ashes that is :)
OH, and it is a pseudonym, not acronym.
At 05:38 1/15/2007, you wrote:
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John Nanci
AlChemist at large
Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.chocolatealchemy.com/

28) From: Lynne
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Yuch!
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I used to love that car ad that was on a few yrs ago. Showed some guys 
who were bringing the ashes of a loved one on a mountain top - wind 
hits, & the ashes go in the wrong direction. I've threatened my kids 
with my (possible) cremation just to cause them that grief. (I want 
them to give me one last good laugh!!)
<Snip>
Crap, & I call myself a writer... oh well, it's early & rainy & lazy 
here in Boston right now. That's my excuse...
Lynne

29) From: Leo Zick
Cross out idea, insert hope :p

30) From: Paul Martin
John,
Thanks for the pictures.  I thought the Trosser was German?  It appears,
however, you may have purchased a special Scottish version that came with a
kilt.  They appear to be matching in color.  Sounds like you got the
MacTrosser at quite a bargain!  :^)
Paul

31) From: Justin Marquez
On 1/14/07, Eddie Dove  wrote:
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Here in Houston, we don't get much 'black ice', although we may get
actually some of that plague tonight!  When it does happen, the TV
newspeople always set up near a couple of freeway overpasses which
always provide for great "bumper cars" style footage for the 6 PM
news. The same yo-yo's who think their big 'ol pick-em-up-trucks can
safely go thru flooded underpasses also think that their 4-wheel drive
trucks can safely go 50 MPH on ice!  ("Hey, Vern - my truck ain't
goin' fast enuff... I know... I'll give it more GAS...!")
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (CYPRESS, TX)

32) From: Eddie Dove
Uh ... Brett brought up Pablum ...
I'm younger than he is ...
Eddie
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33) From: Laura Micucci
LOL!  ooooh, I see. Sorry my mistake.  (is that true Brett?)
   
  Laura
Eddie Dove  wrote:
  Uh ... Brett brought up Pablum ...
I'm younger than he is ...
Eddie
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Sweet Maria's List - Searchable Archiveshttp://themeyers.org/HomeRoast/  On 1/14/07, Laura Micucci  wrote:    Pablum    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  
  Jump to: navigation, search
  Pablum was a cereal for infants marketed by the Mead Johnson Corporation. The trade name is a contracted form of the Latin word pabulum, meaning foodstuff.
  Pablum was invented in 1930 by Canadian paediatricians Frederick Tisdall, Theodore Drake, and Alan Brown, in cooperation with nutrition laboratory technician Ruth Herbert, all of the Hospital for Sick Children in Toronto. The cereal marked a breakthrough in nutritional science : it helped prevent rickets, a crippling childhood disease, by ensuring that children have enough vitamin D in their diet. Although Pablum was not the first food designed and sold specifically for babies, it was the first baby food to come pre-cooked and thoroughly dried. The ease of preparation made Pablum successful in an era when infant malnutrition was still a major problem in industrialized countries.
  Pablum was made from a mixture of ground and pre-cooked wheat, oat, corn meal, bone meal, yeast and alfalfa, providing minerals and vitamins A, B1, B2, D and E. It is palatable and easily digestible, without causing side effects like diarrhea or constipation. Pablum is also unlikely to cause allergic reactions, as it does not contain eggs, lactose or nuts of any kind.
  For a period of 25 years, the Toronto Paediatric Foundation and the Hospital for Sick Children received a royalty on every package of Pablum sold. The Pablum brand was later acquired by the H. J. Heinz Company. As of 2005, Pablum cereals are no longer being produced.
  OH NO!  It looks like they don't make this anymore.  Any idea where I can get some left over??
   
  (geeze how old are you? DUCKING!)  ;o)
   
  Laura...
     
Eddie Dove < southcoastcoffeeroaster> wrote:
    That's right ... and finish up with pablum ...
Eddie
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  On 1/14/07, Laura Micucci < lauramicucci> wrote:        I have a few hand grinders, but they are nostalgic for me ... carpal tunnel.    
  Me too, both wrists.  had the surgery a couple years ago and except for a little loss of strength things are great!  
       Whatever you decide, do make sure you ask this list about what kind of rice to use to clean it. 
   
  Oh, no need. I already have that covered.  I've been paying attention: minute rice cooked for 10 minutes and then cooled. taking speacial care not to rinse any of the starch from the rice.  right?  ;o) 
  Thanks Eddie!

34) From: Brett Mason
Laura, I have no idea how old Eddie is.
Geez I hope this doesn't make Wesley unsubscribe from the list.
The pablum reference was to ensure that clean grinders do not get
rickets, thus the Pablum and the vitamin D.  And I have no idea if
Pablum can clean my Rocky.  I use minute rice (now), and have used
rice (forever).
I also have concerns that the continual processing of rasted coffee
cherry seeds will damage burrs, but everyone on this list seems to
persist in doing just that.
I will follow up if I learn how old Eddie is... Brett
On 1/15/07, Laura Micucci  wrote:
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35) From: Sandy Andina
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Ice, especially black ice, is the weather phenomenon that scares the  
Sumatra out of me.  Encountered it for the first time 35 yrs. ago  
enroute from Seattle to an X-C ski lesson at Snoqualmie Pass--all was  
well till I reached the Mercer Island Floating Bridge and suddenly  
inexplicably began to fishtail wildly (was driving a little Datsun  
1200 that weighed less than a modern Mini-Cooper). I was so shaken  
that I pulled over to the shoulder with my flashers on till a state  
patrolman came by and explained what was happening, told me to calm  
down and how to drive on it, and escorted me safely over the bridge  
to the warmer (and dry) pavement of I-90 east of the lake.  I also  
dread walking on the stuff, as one more fall may well incapacitate me  
for a long time.  Couple of years ago, we were driving back down from  
Marquette--it began to rain, then to sleet--and we began to see wreck  
after wreck after wreck along the roadsides. We detoured to an  
alternate route that was less congested, but icy nonetheless; and  
decided to take a motel room just n. of West Bend.  It was so icy  
that I needed to use the luggage trolley as a walker from the van to  
the motel!!
On Jan 15, 2007, at 10:58 AM, Justin Marquez wrote:
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Ice, especially black ice, is =
the weather phenomenon that scares the Sumatra out of me. Encountered =
it for the first time 35 yrs. ago enroute from Seattle to an X-C ski =
lesson at Snoqualmie Pass--all was well till I reached the Mercer Island =
Floating Bridge and suddenly inexplicably began to fishtail wildly (was =
driving a little Datsun 1200 that weighed less than a modern =
Mini-Cooper). I was so shaken that I pulled over to the shoulder with my =
flashers on till a state patrolman came by and explained what was =
happening, told me to calm down and how to drive on it, and escorted me =
safely over the bridge to the warmer (and dry) pavement of I-90 east of =
the lake. I also dread walking on the stuff, as one more fall may =
well incapacitate me for a long time. Couple of years ago, we were =
driving back down from Marquette--it began to rain, then to sleet--and =
we began to see wreck after wreck after wreck along the roadsides. We =
detoured to an alternate route that was less congested, but icy =
nonetheless; and decided to take a motel room just n. of West Bend. =
It was so icy that I needed to use the luggage trolley as a walker from =
the van to the motel!!
On Jan 15, 2007, at 10:58 AM, Justin =
Marquez wrote:
On 1/14/07, Eddie Dove <southcoastcoffeeroaster@= gmail.com> wrote: I agree RayO! ... and with all those people = that think THEIR vehicles can make it, I thinkthey should follow George Carlin's opinion for rule = changes in football ... 'Leave the injured on the = field!" It makes more of a lasting impression ... maybe = people will drive with a bitmore sanity = on the black ice. Eddie Here in = Houston, we don't get much 'black ice', although we may getactually some of that plague tonight! When it does happen, the = TVnewspeople always set up near a couple of = freeway overpasses whichalways = provide for great "bumper cars" style footage for the 6 PMnews. The same yo-yo's who think their big 'ol = pick-em-up-trucks cansafely go thru flooded = underpasses also think that their 4-wheel drivetrucks can safely go 50 MPH on ice! ("Hey, Vern - my truck = ain'tgoin' fast enuff... I know... = I'll give it more GAS...!") Safe Journeys and Sweet = MusicJustin Marquez (CYPRESS, = TX)homeroast mailing listhttp://li=sts.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroastTo change your personal list settings (digest = options, vacations, unsvbscribes) go to http://=sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings = Sandywww.sass-music.com
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36) From: Brian Kamnetz
One of my professors told us that after his father was cremated, the
professor carried the ashes around in a cardboard box in the trunk of his
car, not quite sure what to do with them, until finally he got stuck in the
snow....
Brian
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37) From: Brett Mason
This seems peculiarly on-topic, but it may be the Brazil I am drinking...
Brett
On 1/15/07, Brian Kamnetz  wrote:
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38) From: Alchemist John
Roasted it a little too far eh? :P
At 13:49 1/15/2007, you wrote:
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AlChemist at large
Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.chocolatealchemy.com/

39) From: Laura Micucci
Thank you all. I am now searching Ebay for a zass or a Trosser.  Wish me happy findings.
   
  (Brett apparently Eddie is seven years younger than you. :o)  )
   
  As an on topic, I think, are all Zass's and Trosser's burrs adjustable?  
Brett Mason  wrote:
  Laura, I have no idea how old Eddie is.
Geez I hope this doesn't make Wesley unsubscribe from the list.
The pablum reference was to ensure that clean grinders do not get
rickets, thus the Pablum and the vitamin D.  And I have no idea if 
Pablum can clean my Rocky.  I use minute rice (now), and have used
rice (forever).
I also have concerns that the continual processing of rasted coffee
cherry seeds will damage burrs, but everyone on this list seems to 
persist in doing just that.
I will follow up if I learn how old Eddie is... Brett
  On 1/15/07, Laura Micucci  wrote:     LOL!  ooooh, I see. Sorry my mistake.  (is that true Brett?)
     
  Laura
Eddie Dove  wrote:
  Uh ... Brett brought up Pablum ...
I'm younger than he is ...
Eddie
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Laura
  Making the world a better place one bean at a time.
  www.freshroastedforyou.com

40) From: Eddie Dove
Laura,
Also search for "Fassenhaus".  The fancy "Z" is sometimes interpreted as an
"F".
Eddie
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