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Topic: cost savings when I sell 1 LB roasted coffee (33 msgs / 944 lines)
1) From: Brett Mason
I sold a pound of coffee today for $10, to a colleague.  Kind of made me
wonder what selling 1 lb does to my personal coffee cost.  So I added the
single pound sale to my spreadsheet and here's what I learned.  The
effective price of my personal coffee cost per pound dropped from $2.57 to
2.55.
So for every pound I sell, at my current buy and sell rate, my cost goes
down two cents.  In effect, every pound sold lets me throw in one more
personal opinion...
I am still working to generate enough sales to get my coffee cost to free,
but that will be a while coming...
Have you done the math - do you know what your coffee costs you?
Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com

2) From: Eddie Dove
Brett,
In short, No, but I am working on it ...
However, a customer order today, by proxy, for five (5) pounds of Ethiopia
FTO Dry Process Sidamo paid for an entire Harvey order, which included
coffees for my personal delight and entertainment.
Respectfully,
Eddie
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3) From: Edward Bourgeois
What do you take out for being CEO? ;-)  And how can you put a value of
selling of  a pound of GREAT coffee to a Colleague. Some day it might prove
priceless!!

4) From: Les
I don't sell coffee.  It is enough that I got into the tamper business.
More power to you guys!  Some things need to be reserved simply for
enjoyment.  I do have a friend who lurks on this list from Roseburg that has
an RK setup so I send folks to them that want to buy good coffee.
Les
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5) From: Brett Mason
I like your pure heart, Les!
Simple enjoyment is best in this passion!
Brett
On 1/16/07, Les  wrote:
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6) From: Sheila Quinn
I'm with you, Les! I think I'd just start to hate roasting after a while 
if I did it for a living - or even on the side. Sad perhaps, but true. I 
think that would just take all the fun out of it and turn it into one 
more chore. I'm happier keeping it as a hobby. Besides, I'm no expert 
roaster anyway. If one wants roasted coffee, it's best to buy from 
someone else - not me! :)
Sheila
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7) From: Brett Mason
Folgers is a professional roaster...
I sell about 5lb a month...  but then I have 7 kids...
NE1 wanna bye coffee?
Brett
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8) From: Sandy Andina
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I agree. I roast to provide myself and my family with the best coffee  
I can, and to introduce friends to its pleasures.  Oddly, getting  
paid to sing doesn't make me view music as a job and a chore, but  
selling my beans might make me view roasting as such.  (that law  
practice is a chore is a given).
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I agree. I roast to provide =
myself and my family with the best coffee I can, and to introduce =
friends to its pleasures.  Oddly, getting paid to sing doesn't make me =
view music as a job and a chore, but selling my beans might make me view =
roasting as such.  (that law practice is a chore is a =
given).
On Jan 16, 2007, at 12:36 AM, Sheila Quinn =
wrote:
I'm with you, Les! I think I'd = just start to hate roasting after a while if I did it for a living - or = even on the side. Sad perhaps, but true. I think that would just take = all the fun out of it and turn it into one more chore. I'm happier = keeping it as a hobby. Besides, I'm no expert roaster anyway. If one = wants roasted coffee, it's best to buy from someone else - not me! = :) Sheila Les = wrote: I don't sell = coffee.  It is enough = that I got into the tamper business.  More power to you guys!  Some things need to be = reserved simply for enjoyment.  = I do have a friend who lurks on this list from Roseburg that has = an RK setup so I send folks to them that want to buy good = coffee. Les  On 1/15/07, *Eddie Dove* = <southcoastcoffeeroaster <mailto:southcoastcoffeer= oaster>> wrote:     Brett,     In short, No, but I am = working on it ...     = However, a customer order today, by proxy, for five (5) pounds = of    = Ethiopia FTO Dry Process Sidamo paid for an entire Harvey = order,    which included coffees = for my personal delight and entertainment.     Respectfully,     Eddie    = --     My Home = Coffee Roasting Blog and Profiles for the Gene Cafe    = http://southcoastcoff=eeroaster.blogspot.com/    Sweet Maria's List - = Searchable Archives    =http://themeyers.org/HomeRoast/>    On 1/15/07, *Brett Mason* =">http://themeyers.org/HomeRoast/<http://themeyers.org/HomeRoast/>    On 1/15/07, *Brett Mason* = <homeroast    = <mailto:homeroast> = > wrote:         = I sold a pound of coffee today for $10, to a colleague.  Kind        = of made me wonder what selling 1 lb does to my personal = coffee        cost.  So I added the single pound = sale to my spreadsheet and        here's what I = learned.  The effective = price of my personal        coffee cost per = pound dropped from $2.57 to 2.55.         So for every = pound I sell, at my current buy and sell rate, my        = cost goes down two cents.  = In effect, every pound sold lets me        throw in one more = personal opinion...        I am still = working to generate enough sales to get my coffee        = cost to free, but that will be a while coming...         Have you done the = math - do you know what your coffee costs you?         Cheers,        = Brett         = http://homeroast.freeservers.com=        <http://homeroast.freeservers.co=m/> homeroast mailing listhttp://li=sts.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroastTo change your personal list settings (digest = options, vacations, unsvbscribes) go to http://=sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings = Sandywww.sass-music.com
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9) From: Brett Mason
I disagree...
Two people have speculated on what selling coffee might do.
One of the two has compared it to another enterprise where the person does
get paid to perform, but then indicates some breakdown where THAT doesn't
cause problems but the selling of coffee might taint the cup or something.
OK, so my EXPERIENCE, not speculation, is that selling the coffee opens
doors fro sharing great coffee with Friends and colleagues.  This also
lowers my cost of personal consumption.  I have not put my family of 9 on
skid row to follow this fancy.  Frankly we live nicely, AND we enjoy
(delight in) sharing our coffee...
SO, I guess I am alone in working to both enjoy this wonderful sport, and
reduce its personal cost through (some) effort.  It's like strumming a
guitar.  I would hat to do that for a long time.  BUT for the short time I
have been playing, 32 years, I love playing and I play a lot.  In fact, I
probably enjoy it more than most, because I do NOT get paid for doing so...
What I did ask, is whether you have worked out what coffee costs, to those
interested in the costs of this passion.  For those who don't wonder, great
for you!.  many will never want it to be anything more than the luxury they
pay for (my kind of luxury - very low cost).  There are one or two who do
wish to sell coffee.  For those, like me, I raised the question.
I am OK if some don't agree with me.  I am EVEN OK if Mike does not agree
with me, but that would be out of the ordinary, as we are quite agreeable
lately...
Have you figured out what coffee costs you?  I am happy to send my
spreadsheet along to those who want to watch both the delight in careful
roasting and the financial management of the passion...
Brett
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10) From: Sheila Quinn
p.s. If anyone would put their family on skid row just to have coffee, 
shame on them anyway! Who's that selfish? Nothing - NOTHING- would be 
worth that, even coffee. ;)
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OK, so my EXPERIENCE, not speculation, is that selling the coffee opens 
doors fro sharing great coffee with Friends and colleagues.  This also 
lowers my cost of personal consumption.  I have not put my family of 9 
on skid row to follow this fancy.  Frankly we live nicely, AND we enjoy 
(delight in) sharing our coffee...
Brett

11) From: Aaron
Hey brett:
This proverbial *pound*... is it being weighed before you roast it, or 
after you roast it?  If you are selling them a full pound weighed after 
it is roasted, is your  program taking into account roasting weight 
losses which I find tend to be in the 25 to 30 % area.
Also if you buy your coffee in 100# bags,  or even the 20's the cost per 
bean drops too... until you start finding that occasional popcorn kernel 
in there, then you can write it off as a loss, and if your accountant is 
really snazzy, if the popcorn is browned ever so slightly when it pops 
from bean residue, you can say it is a sanitization device and also 
write it off as a business expense :)
Aaron

12) From: Marci Morey
Brett Mason  wrote:     Have you done the math - do you know what your coffee costs you?
   
  Have you figured out what coffee costs you?  I am happy to send my spreadsheet along to those who want to watch both the delight in careful roasting and the financial management of the passion... 
  If you hate doing the math but are interested in tracking your costs, take Brett up on this offer. His excel spreadsheet does the math for you. 
   
  I'm a total newbie not yet considering selling (although who can resist sharing this stuff!). I'm not so much looking to figure out my coffee cost per se, but do want to track my overall costs for this hobby. This spreadsheet is an easy way to do it.
   
  Thanks Brett!
Marci in Illinois (sipping Congo Kivu Peaberry -- yum)
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13) From: Brett Mason
The coffee I buy is measured in green weight.
The coffee I sell is measured in roasted weight.
The loss in weight is wrapped up in my personal coffee cost - it's an
overhead expense related to the process of roasting...  Were I doing
professional books, then everything in this business would be business
expense...
B
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14) From: Brett Mason
Thanks Marci - glad you like it!
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15) From: Alchemist John
I roast for 3-4 people other than myself.  Following a handful of 
rules, I have kept it to the enjoyable level.
1)  They pay $12/lb (green)
2)  They give me 2 days notice
3)  I roast green weight (keeps me from odd calculations)
4)  I don't take on more "customers" if I have to roast more than 
every other day. (I can roast 1.25 lbs in my little drum roaster).
So far, everyone is happy.  Running a real side business, I can say 
roasting coffee does not feel like one.  I do it because I like the 
people and they have a true and sincere appreciation of the coffee.
At 22:43 1/15/2007, you wrote:
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John Nanci
AlChemist at large
Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.chocolatealchemy.com/

16) From: Vicki Smith
Brett, does your spreadsheet amortize equipment costs?
When I bought my IR2, I figured it would pay for itself in about a year. 
The $1000 + i just spent on espresso related shtuff means I will drink 
very expensive coffee for a long, long time. Ron runs all our "hobbies" 
through spread sheets, but as his involved purchasing that Big Black 
Car, he doesn't mention much about the cost of my adventures.
Vicki e)

17) From: Eddie Dove
Brett,
Agreed, and I like Alchemist John's perspective on it too.  The spreadsheet
is a great tool and I was able to merge it into the workbook I had
developed.  Good thinking Aaron ... I knew there was something I was
missing, but I accounted for it anyway.
People have sought me out and insisted on buying my coffee.  The order for 5
pounds of Sidamo I mentioned is from a dentist is another part of the
country that I don't know.  Someone shared my coffee with that person ...
I thoroughly enjoy the roasting of the coffee, probably on par with
consuming it afterwards.  I also really enjoy the pleasure that others
derive from it.
Respectfully,
Eddie
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18) From: Brett Mason
Hi Vicki,
Not a true amortization.  My spreadsheet separates such big purchases into
"Hobby" Cost and spreadsd the costs across all months in my coffee pursuit.
This does yield a true cost of all I spend across the time of my hobby.
Also takes into account all the stuff I sell as well...
Regards,
Brett
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19) From: Leo Zick
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
care to share spreadsheet?  
From: Brett Mason [mailto:homeroast] 
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 11:32 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: +cost savings when I sell 1 LB roasted coffee
I sold a pound of coffee today for $10, to a colleague.  Kind of made me
wonder what selling 1 lb does to my personal coffee cost.  So I added the
single pound sale to my spreadsheet and here's what I learned.  The
effective price of my personal coffee cost per pound dropped from $2.57 to
2.55.  
So for every pound I sell, at my current buy and sell rate, my cost goes
down two cents.  In effect, every pound sold lets me throw in one more
personal opinion...
I am still working to generate enough sales to get my coffee cost to free,
but that will be a while coming... 
Have you done the math - do you know what your coffee costs you?
Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com

20) From: MichaelB
Thanks Brett; the spreadsheet is a fun way to look at how we spend our money
on our homeroasting habit. If you don't care about details, then just take
the zen accounting approach and put a few guesstimates into the sheet. Or
take the OCD approach and fill in every detail. Either way, you get a good
idea of how it hits your budget.
I made one addition. Somehow computing the hobby cost per day (under $2) was
easier for me to take than the almost $60 per month. But given my heavy
spending on roasting and espresso equipment recently, my costs will decrease
by about $3 per month for the forseeable future.
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21) From: Vince Doss
I sell to about 5 people just to try to support my habit. I made this
spreadsheet to calculate my cost green/roasted, etc...I put it here so you
can look if you like.
http://tinyurl.com/ylk2sc***
*Vince*
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22) From: Justin Marquez
On 1/16/07, Sandy Andina  wrote:
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I might consider selling coffee when I retire. It is a craft thing to me.
When we perform our music, very occasionally we get paid.  Music is
something we would do anyways even if nobody was around ot listen.
That's why it isn't a chore to us and I'll bet that is ahy it isn't a
chore to you either.
My day job (a process engineer in the "aul-bidniz") is interesting and
even fun sometimes, but the day it become economically feasible to
retire and do whatever I want (will include a LOT of music and coffee
time...), I am outta here.
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (CYPRESS, TX)

23) From: Les
Brett,
I didn't intend to "rain on your parade."  I do have two "customers."  I
give coffee to both of my daughters.  Esther and her husband Jon are getting
a surprise Zass in their next shipment!  What the coffee hobby did for me
was spin off another enterprise, Thor Tampers.  I never thought I would be
making so many.  Tamper 1,000 is coming up soon, and there is a special
tamper being made that will be given away on this list, as it was through
this list that Thor Tamper was born.  So, I have my coffee fun through my
tampers rather than selling coffee.  I also continue to enjoy the community
of people that I find in the coffee world.  It seems like we have a positive
look on life, maybe it is the caffeine.
Les
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24) From: David F Iseminger
les, 
do you have any other info on your tampers?  pics online? prices?  I have
the cheap plastic one that came with my machine and seriously need to
upgrate

25) From: Alchemist John
http://thortamper.com/45mm.htmlAt 09:44 1/16/2007, you wrote:">http://thortamper.com/And more pics of the olivewood herehttp://thortamper.com/45mm.htmlAt 09:44 1/16/2007, you wrote:
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John Nanci
AlChemist at large
Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.chocolatealchemy.com/

26) From: Eddie Dove
David,
www.thortamper.com
Eddie
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27) From: Peter Zulkowski
Please, have a look!http://www.thortamper.com/PeterZ
David F Iseminger wrote:
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28) From: Brett Mason
Les,
You've not rained on my parade at all.  I was honored to see my MyrtleWood
Tamper on your gallery page, and truly appreciate all the advice and
commentary you've offered online!
I certainly love coffee, love roasting, and love selling coffee as well.
Never found a chore in any of it - well, except for one customer where I
would roast, package, send every month, and then have to invoice...  I may
do a PayPal store to sell my coffee...  And by the way, following the
CHristmas Exchanges of coffee, all of y'all roast just great too!
Keep on ThorTamping!  SO many have been blessed by the artisan guild aproach
you have taken, the product is marvelous, and Eddie makes a fine schill
too!  COngrats on 1,000 - now I have to figure out where to put it.  And
yes, 56.5mm works well, so you know the size...
Brett
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29) From: an iconoclast
On 1/15/07, Brett Mason  wrote:
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I sell bags for $5 per half pound - $10 per pound
Costs per pound:
Order of assorted 5lb and 20 lb bags of greens averaged with an order of
strictly 20 lb bags, my usual way of purchasing, including shipping - $4.26
Weight loss from roasting at approx 25% loss in dollars - $1.42
Cost of 1/2 pound tin tie bags buying 300 using 2 bags per pound - $0.32
Cost of labels at $12 for 2100 labels - $0.01
Ink for labels approx - $0.05
Cost of electricity for HG, 15 minute roast (See cost calculator below- I
used toaster oven) - $0.03http://michaelbluejay.com/electricity/howmuch.htmlCost of propane for side burner, 15 minute roast (I'm figuring 2x the cost
of electricity in OR) - $0.06
Cost for additional websitehttp://www.zigzagroasters.com- cost divided by
#lbs/month sold - $0.30
Cost of equipment - increased use beyond personal use of grill, HG, DB,
colander, fan, whisk - I have no idea and my brain hurts!
My time - forget it!
Total costs: $6.45 per pound.  Profit: $3.55 per pound
Selling allows me to buy more varieties of beans at a better price. It
allows me to give lots of gifts. It lets me share the coffee I love with
others and supply them with something they can't get anywhere else.  Just
the act of roasting all that coffee is comforting and relaxing.
Take care,
Nancy
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30) From: raymanowen
"Tamper 1,000 is coming up soon" -Les
T1K certification coming up.
When I get RayO #1, it'll be my learner's permit to do some real espresso
brewing!
~~I dream of a multi group E61 now! I passed on a freebie almost two decades
ago...
Egad- my shop was full of phone booth sized three phase battery chargers.
"No Room!!!" I had it on one of my forktrucks, and three guys were ready to
help me move it onto one of my benches. But I knew nothing about espresso
brewing.
So, what else is new?
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
Almost like JFK said, "Ich bin ein Dummkopf!"

31) From: Scott Marquardt
Nice calculus.
I sell a bit during the winter, but when June rolls around I'll be doing the
farmer's market again. That's when things get interesting. That's a somewhat
different take on doing coffee as a business -- seasonal selling. Half a
year "off" (meaning, occasional sales to acquaintances and, as it turns out,
one small wholesale account), half a year on.
I think that kind of rhythm makes it possible to endure busy times without
being overcome by the fatigue. One can be a businessperson for a while
without having to be one all the time. Although I'm a pretty conservative
person, I thrive on change and innovation; well-worn habits are anathema to
me.
We lost money last year (our first) for sure. I suspect we might make a bit
of profit this next season. Needless to say, though, if I was driven by
greed I'd be despairing and heading for the hills about now.   ;-)
- Scott
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32) From: True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69)
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What about having a larger set up (RK drum) and offer a coffee of the
week or month this allowes you to do one roasting day to knock out your
customers and you just keep some of the extra for personal use... 
maybe you are already doing that and I missed somehting along the
way.....
Dennis 
AKA 
FC1(SW) Dennis W. True 
Safety Dept 
USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN 69) 
FPO AE 09532-2830 
HG/DB and Z&D roasting in the southern hemisphere 
 "On station and on point 106 and counting down..." 
Hump day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (until we get extended that is)

33) From: True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69)
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I actually think I enjoy sharing the roasting experence and sharing the
wonderful coffee even more than I enjoy drinking it...(I LOVE DRINKING
COFFEE) but Honestly I love the look I see when someone has just had the
best cup of coffee of their lives, knowing that I made it possable.....
Dennis
 
I thoroughly enjoy the roasting of the coffee, probably on par with
consuming it afterwards.  I also really enjoy the pleasure that others
derive from it.
Respectfully,
Eddie


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