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Topic: Gen Cafe aand Hot Top (18 msgs / 483 lines)
1) From: Richard Ludlow
Hi,
I am planning on purchasing either the Gen Cafe or Hot Top.  How  much 
noise to they make?  Specifically, can you hear the "cracks" during the 
roasting process to help judge the degree of roast?  Any recommendations 
about either?
Rick

2) From: Kevin
Rick,
I've been using the GC for a few months now and love it.  You can hear
the cracks (1st and 2nd) and the machine is very durable (ref Eddie
Dove's previous posts).  I've heard good things about the HT as well
but haven't used one myself.  I'm just very satisfied with my GC.
-- 
My home coffee roasting blog:http://homecoffeeroastblog.blogspot.com/Kevin

3) From: Barry Luterman
The Hot
top is extremely quiet and it is very easy to hear the cracks.

4) From: Frank Coster
Cracks are very easy to hear in the Hottop.
Frank
frankc12
Coral Mustang Wines
www.coralmustang.com

5) From: Robert Joslin
I have roasted with a hot top for three years.   IMHO it is a sturdy and
reliable machine and 1st and 2nd cracks are easily distinguished with almost
any coffee (except possibly very old greens...and who keeps those?) that you
roast.
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6) From: MichaelB
People who have hottops love them.
People who have gene cafes love them.
People who have one don't have the other.
Recommendation: Buy one. Or the other. You'll love it!
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MichaelB

7) From: miKe mcKoffee
I don't own either but given the choice would go the HotTop for a couple =
of
reasons. IIRC cracks easier to hear in HotTop verus Gene Café. But =
primarily
a modified Manual HotTop will out perform a Gene Café should you =
choose to
want real profile control. (I wouldn't waste money on Digital model =
HotTop)
Plus I believe the HotTop sturdier construction.
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I =
must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal =
enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone =
before.
	From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of MichaelB
	Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 3:30 PM
	To: homeroast
	Subject: Re: +Gen Cafe aand Hot Top
	
	
	People who have hottops love them.
	People who have gene cafes love them.
	People who have one don't have the other.
	Recommendation: Buy one. Or the other. You'll love it!
	 
	On 1/17/07, Richard Ludlow  wrote: 
		Hi,
		
		I am planning on purchasing either the Gen Cafe or Hot Top.
How  much
		noise to they make?  Specifically, can you hear the "cracks"
during the 
		roasting process to help judge the degree of roast?  Any
recommendations
		about either?
		
		Rick

8) From: Barry Luterman
I own a Hot Top and agree with Mike. Hot top is a much sturdier design and 
now soon will be able to adjust profiles. Don't know if analog machines are 
still available.

9) From: B. Scott Harroff
I think a HotTop has better cooling than a Gen Café.  
I have a PID'd and manual switched HotTop.  Mikes right, at 350 grams to
1lb, it tough to beat for profile control (unless one jumps into the =
couple
thousand dollar units).
Home.att.net/~Scott.Harroff/FrankenTop.JPG

10) From: Barry Luterman
Just checked SM they do have the Analog model. Might be a saving if you get 
the 20% off the upgrade kit as another list member did.

11) From: Aaron
scott.  are you saying you can put a pound of greens into your hot top 
and it works?  I thought they were rated at only around 8 ounce..  How 
does it turn out for you?
Aaron

12) From: B. Scott Harroff
With the stock controller and stock profile, I wouldn't try a pound of beans
unless one likes a 20+ minute profile and unfinished beans.
With a PID, one can preheat to say 500 and run a profile that will finish
one pound in 12 minutes-13 minutes.  Its basically "always on" but I do
roast a pound at a time that way when I do 'give aways'.

13) From: Frank Parth
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Rick,
I did the same analysis myself awhile back. I ended with the GeneCafe and have been very happy with it. That being said, I've never been able to hear first crack because the machine is somewhat noisy, although I can hear second crack clearly. This is exactly the opposite of the Zach & Dani's I started with.
I have a friend who has a HotTop (after I got him interested in roasting), and you can hear both cracks clearly.
As others have said, the HT cools better than the GC, but I like the better control the GC gives you out of the box. I'm no longer into spending big bucks and then tearing the machine apart just to kluge in what I think should have been there to start with.
YMMV. You won't be unhappy with either one.
Frank Parth

14) From: Eddie Dove
Rick,
People love their Hottops and people love their Gene Cafes.  I do not have a
Hottop, so I really can't comment objectively on its usability.  I do have a
Gene Cafe, so I can comment on it; I will do my best to be objective.
Since I have been using profiles with the Gene Cafe, I have been able to
hear both 1st and 2nd crack clearly; haven't missed one yet and I am half
deaf.  An important note is that all of the other roasting cues are readily
available too, as I am sure they are with the Hottop, bean color, smoke,
smell, and time.  The exhaust port / chaff collector serves me very well by
concentrating the smoke, smell and cracks.
Do remember that the Gene Cafe is ~$495.00 and the new programmable Hottop
(profile ability) is quoted to be at least twice that price.  You can
however buy one of the less expensive Hottops (in the same price vicinity as
the Gene Cafe) and modify it; not really an option for me because I just
don't know that stuff, but there are many talented people on this list that
could help you do so if you needed it.
I have had my Gene Cafe for just over 4 months and have roasted 204 batches
totaling 109 pounds.  I am NOT easy on the Gene Cafe.  I preheat it, stop it
at a chamber temperature of 300 degrees, load the beans, run the roast to
completion, stop the unit, remove the drum and cool externally, reload and
hit start;  I don't let it cool in between batches.  I have done up to 18
consecutive batches using this method.
I hope this helps ...
Respectfully,
Eddie
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My Home Coffee Roasting Blog and Profiles for the Gene Cafehttp://themeyers.org/HomeRoast/On 1/17/07, Frank Parth  wrote:">http://southcoastcoffeeroaster.blogspot.com/Sweet Maria's List - Searchable Archiveshttp://themeyers.org/HomeRoast/On 1/17/07, Frank Parth  wrote:
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15) From: Roger Lebow
I've used the GC for about 4-5 months, and I find it very easy to use, 
and transformative to my roasting experience. BUT with all racket the 
beans make in the roasting chamber I have difficulty hearing 1st crack 
(and since I prefer lighter roasts, 1st is the only crack there is). 
Must have been all those concerts at the Fillmore and Winterland back 
in the '60s...
Roger
Sierra Madre, California

16) From: Eddie Dove
Roger,
Visit my blog and try the profiles.  I believe you will never miss another
1st crack.
Eddie
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My Home Coffee Roasting Blog and Profiles for the Gene Cafehttp://themeyers.org/HomeRoast/On 1/17/07, Roger Lebow  wrote:">http://southcoastcoffeeroaster.blogspot.com/Sweet Maria's List - Searchable Archiveshttp://themeyers.org/HomeRoast/On 1/17/07, Roger Lebow  wrote:
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17) From: DJ Garcia
Agreed. I roast 2/3 lbs / 310 gm as my max HT weight, which it handles =
very
well.
DJ

18) From: Derek Bradford
I have a Gene Cafe and I'd be happy to not have it.  It's something
I'd sell in a heartbeat if I could.  I don't have the control I'd like
to have, the batch sizes are a little small for my liking, and I'm
concerned about its durability.  These are all things I knew before I
bought it, and thought I might get over or learn to work with, but
after 6 months, I'm longing for simpler days.
--Derek
-- http://www.novernae.comHome of the Wandering Sloth


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