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Topic: Drum superior to Fluid Bed > RE: Zip/Vac/Cloth > RE: +newbie ? on storing (24 msgs / 575 lines)
1) From: miKe mcKoffee
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[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Brian Kamnetz
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bath roasting, at least in small batches, based on comments on this list
over a long period of time. I will be staying with HG/DB for the foreseeable
future, however. 
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I'll respectfully disagree and challenge you to do a blind cupping comparing
any bean roasted your method to my Rosto or Mike's (just plain) P1 fluid bed
roasts.
FWIW below is a bit of discussion from a few years ago... 
Kona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
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2) From: Leo Zick
Well now I have to ask, are the tangerines harar tangerines and are the
oranges guatamalan? Im sure an eitheropian doesn't like to be called a
guatamalan either..
Or what happens if you roast in a tangerine and another in an orange, and
then brew the tangerine roast in an apple and the orange roast in a pear.
Sounds like the opportunities are endless, and regardless of what fruit or
veggie you end up with, no 2 will ever taste identical

3) From: Ed Needham
Mike, you missed the point.  he said drum was superior to 'fluid bath' 
roasting.  I would agree wholeheartedly, unless someone can find a fluid to 
bathe the beans in that would roast them properly.  Fluid 'bed' roasting, 
now there's another story.
I like drum roasting better than air roasting, but not because it is a 
better process.  I like the low noise of drum roasting, the low attention 
needed, and the larger batches (on a dollar per dollar basis).
I think the bean roast comparisons you and I did with Jim Schulman and 
others showed that the air roasts could be equal and in some cases better 
than the drum.

4) From: Brett Mason
I can roast in my poopper while it's snowing, cause I set it outside without
going outside.
The drum means I have to walk out in the snow
- The results are in!  Fluid Bed beats Drum!
Brett
On 1/22/07, Ed Needham  wrote:
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5) From: Brett Mason
POPPER* hate typing on a laptooop
Brett
On 1/22/07, Brett Mason  wrote:
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6) From: Bob
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How many beans can you get in your poopper, Brett? How do you stick it =
outside while you remain inside--window?
Bob

7) From: Brett Mason
I put the P O P P E R on a cabinet just outside the door.  It's 21 out there
right now, and my drum is 8 feet away.
I can watch the  P O P P E R  thru the window, and pull the roast just in
time....
I am certainly a drum fan, but I mix up my methods at times...  Once the
snow goes away, or the 30s come back, I will be back to drum roasting.  Ask
me what's best then!
Brett
On 1/22/07, Bob  wrote:
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8) From: Jeremy DeFranco
Bob,
     I'm sorry, but this is not that kind of list. We talk about roasting
coffee beans, not sticking them in our butts!
---How many beans can you get in your poopper, Brett? How do you stick it =
outside while you remain inside--window?
Bob

9) From: Coffeenut
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Uh ohhh.I started getting a "visual" of some Kopi Luwak style of roasting.
We've had all manner of devices used to roast coffee except for a toilet!!!
:^)
Rick  
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 8:09 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: Drum superior to Fluid Bed > RE: Zip/Vac/Cloth > RE: +newbie ?
on storing
How many beans can you get in your poopper, Brett? How do you stick it
outside while you remain inside--window?
Bob

10) From: Eddie Dove
HG/TB = Heat Gun / Toilet Bowl?
On 1/22/07, Coffeenut  wrote:
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r a
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11) From: Coffeenut
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LOL.  Also explains the need for the "fluid bath" process.  
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Eddie Dove
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 8:17 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: Drum superior to Fluid Bed > RE: Zip/Vac/Cloth > RE: +newbie ?
on storing
HG/TB = Heat Gun / Toilet Bowl?
On 1/22/07, Coffeenut  wrote:
Uh ohhh.I started getting a "visual" of some Kopi Luwak style of roasting.
We've had all manner of devices used to roast coffee except for a toilet!!!
:^)
Rick

12) From: Lynne Biziewski
still laughing....

13) From: Edward Bourgeois
Fluid bed seems like a great concept but very difficult to control the
proper motion and adjust for batch or bean size.

14) From: Jeremy DeFranco
First Crack, Second Crack, "Sub" Crack...
---HG/TB = Heat Gun / Toilet Bowl?

15) From: Brett Mason
Mostly I go by sound, color, smoke & chaff...  I take these to just before
divots, and call it good...
There's a lot of folks who are much better scientists than me.  I work more
of the zen method - sry...
Brett
On 1/22/07, Bob  wrote:
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16) From: Bob
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Please Brett, tell us about your attempts to profile this method of =
roasting....
B.

17) From: richedie
I know I LOVE my air roasts...and most of my modified popper roasts go about 
11-15 minutes. I like the how even the roasts tend to tuen out. One thing 
about drum roasts I don't like is the source of heat....where the beans have 
to touch the metal to be exposed to the heat.

18) From: Eddie Dove
Now that brings a whole new meaning to water quenching ... what a visual!
On 1/22/07, Coffeenut  wrote:
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r a
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19) From: an iconoclast
On 1/22/07, Eddie Dove  wrote:
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I didn't really think I was amused by bathroom humor until now.  Having a
hard time stopping the tears.
Thanks Brett,
Ann
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20) From: an iconoclast
On 1/22/07, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
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If the heat comes from the bottom BBQ side burner and heats the air below
the beans and the mesh colander the beans are in and heat comes from the top
from the HG and I stir with a metal whisk, is this a combo of fluid and drum
roasting?  Beans come in contact with hot air and hot metal.  Just
wondering.
Take care,
Ann
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21) From: Les
Getting a good roast is a matter of learning how to use your roaster.  Using
your brain and senses are more important than the tool you use to roast
with.  As Mike pointed out, you can roast on a cookie sheet in your oven if
needed.  I have some very nice samples that are too small for my RK, so I
will air roast them.   I will often air roast a small batch of a new bean to
check it out.  You roast the best with what you have learned to roast with.
Mike McKoffee and Plain Mike have given me some of the best roasts I have
ever had.  I have had awesome roasts from fellow homeroasters.  We can get
too hung up on technology.  I am like Ed, I like drum because of the size of
the roast and the way it roasts.
Les
On 1/22/07, an iconoclast  wrote:
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22) From: Heat + Beans --all the rest is commentary
Let's stipulate that roast profile is the most important "single" factor.
So the question is whether a particular air or drum roaster adds more or
less value to- or control over the roast.  I've seen nothing to suggest that
the roasting chemistry that results from hot air flowing over the beans
versus bean contact with a hot surface is superior.  That does not mean that
some combinations of the person who is in charge and the machine she is
using has no consequence.  I'll match my HG/DB roasts with anyone's air or
drum roaster as long as they are no better a cupper than I am (this
eliminates several people, at least   #:o)  --), and as long as it's not 21
degrees outside.
Responding to Ann's observation, I do believe that HG/DB roasting allows a
homeroaster to have lots of control if she knows what to do with the
control.  Further, some of this control seems to come from the bottom-heated
dog bowl that adds contact heat to the roast, and makes it easier to follow
my intended profile without singeing the beans.  I can't see how a mesh
collender would help much with this because there's so much less surface
area for the beans to be in contact with. However, all of our home
contraptions and devices ---  even the unmodded off-the-shelf ones, depend
heavily on that PID that comes installed within our skulls, on our patience,
and how much fun we are having when we roast.
On 1/22/07, an iconoclast  wrote:
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Martin
"Ah me, everything, I'm afraid, is significant, and nothing is finally
important"
John Barth, "The Floating Opera"

23) From: an iconoclast
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Hey Martin,
Your posts in the archives were instrumental in getting me started on
HG/DB.  I added the mesh colander inside the DB for convenience.  There are
no nooks and crannies in the colander where beans hide, so I could slow down
my stirring a bit.  And it is a breeze to lift the colander out, pour the
beans into another colander in front of a tilted fan to get the chaff off
and then set the colander on the now horizontal fan.  Then I carry the
colander with the cooled beans into the house to bag up while a new batch is
heating up in another colander in DB, with bottom heat on low.  When
everything is bagged up, I go back out, turn up the bottom heat and start
the HG or take over from my husband if he's helping with the stirring.  We
roast about 14 pounds of greens a week and this process makes it efficient.
I added the bottom heat to speed up the roasts with my now standard 2 lbs of
greens at a time. It's funny, but after 2 years of roasting, we're still
tweaking. Dan just added a clamp next to the side burner that keeps the DB
from moving while stirring.  It has reduced hand fatigue from trying to keep
the DB in place.  The biggest variable we have is ambient temp, wind speed
and type of bean being roasted.  Otherwise the process is pretty automated
and predictable.
Take care and thanks,
Ann
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24) From: Heat + Beans --all the rest is commentary
On 1/22/07, an iconoclast  wrote:
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That's impressive!  As committed as I am to HG/DB roasting, I think that 14
pounds/week would motivate me to shift to drum roasting.
But your post also supports my key point that any conceivable (and as yet
unproven) differences in bean-chemistry related to taste differences between
drum and air are insignificant compared to all the other factors that go
into a final roast product.  The challenge for home roasters, IMO, is to
find a method that allows you to replicate roasts within the broad
parameters established by the roasting community, and to do so in a pleasing
and comfortable environment.
Equally important is to have a method from which you can learn well: for
some, this is to match the final cup with saved profile data; others will
use the data to "calibrate" their senses and then pay less attention to the
displayed profile;  for others it is to experience and "read" the progress
of the roast directly via the senses.
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Martin
Heat + Beans
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