Thanks to Vicki for invaluable info on bread machine roasting! I finally dug out the old bread machine I had in the basement doesn't everyone have two bread machines :) I have to remember to thank my husband for not letting me throw out anything! Anyway, I picked up a heat gun yesterday. I hoped it was good enough it gives out 4100btu and has two speeds (750F and 1000F), but is only 1200watts. Anyway, I pretested my bread machine by letting it run empty to make sure it would give me enough time to complete a roast. After 25 minutes of running I figured it would work fine. Brought everything outside, unplugged the bird bath heater it's 30F out this morning. Plugged in the heat gun, the bread machine, and dumped in 300g of Panama Boquete. I thought this would be a good bean to start with as I had just roasted it in my iR2 on the 28th and could really make a good comparison. The beans really hopped! This tossed virtually all the chaff into the air before I had to stop the roast and they came out pretty clean. At around 9:15 into the roast, I heard the first crack start popping. And the chaff started glowing as it flew out of the machine. About 2 minutes past the start of the first crack the bread machine stopped! It indicated that temperature had gotten too hot (even though I was in the Dough setting which has no heat) and it refused to reset or restart. Next time I'll try turning it off and back on around the 5-6 mark (as Vicki suggests in her article). I'm not sure this will help, tho, if it thinks it's too hot for the Dough setting to run but I'll definitely try it. Drat, those smart machines. Luckily, I had brought a wooden spoon with me so I just started mixing them by hand. I did lose a little time on the heat when I reached for the spoon and I hope it didn't stall. At one point I changed the heat gun to Low for a bit but it slowed down so much that I think I should have kept it on High for the entire time. It was windy and that didn't help. I ended up stopping it at about 18 minutes right after it started to go brown at a quicker rate. I thought it was at Full City but I can see now that it's a City+ I should have kept going more and made sure it was Full City. I dumped them into a wire colander and did a quick water spritz and tossed them around a bit. At 30F outside it didn't long for them to cool to the touch. So I'm hoping it didn't stall and bake. And I have to find out if this bread machine will reset and keep running if I stop it earlier in the process. And I have to do it later in the day so I can take advantage of the single malt whisky or shot of Jameson's whiskey! It was great fun! I'll let the beans rest a day and probably try a pot of it tomorrow. I was very happy with the results I got from my iR2 so this'll be interesting. I hope my stopping it at City+ didn't totally wreck it. So thank you Vicki for all your inspiration!
Some machines apparently have temp/heat sensors and others don't. I imagine that as you are not ever going to use the heat on the machine, you could reach into the guts, and disconnect the thermostat. A trip to the second hand store for a different model might be easier, unless you are comfy with that sort of thing. The stop after 5 minutes part is not about heat, it is about running out of time. I generally aim for first crack between 8-9 minutes, and end the roast within 5 minutes of the end of 1st. That means I don't have to reset the timer. My guess is that a slightly more powerful heat gun than yours would get you there in about the same amount of time if that seems like something to aim for. vicki Carole Zatz wrote: <Snip>
Hey Carole, I had the exact same experience with the BM stopping when it got too hot, even on the dough setting. My husband took it apart and disconnected the thermostat, so I haven't had this problem since. He also ground down the mixing paddle just a bit so that it wouldn't jam on a bean against the wall of the chamber (which it was doing occasionally). Both of those mods have led to smooth roasting ever since. We've joked about buying up the local thrift store supply of $5 bread machines and selling them mod-ed like this for $20. Kris On 1/31/07, Carole Zatz wrote: <Snip>
On 1/31/07, Kris McN wrote: <Snip> ll <Snip> e <Snip> s <Snip> That doesn't sound too good. Maybe I'll take it apart and see if I can do anything. Meanwhile, I'll check out the local thrift shops for a more basic machine. Any tips for figuring out what the thermostat looks like :)
I updated the FAQ to reflect the thermostat issue. Thanks. I guess I was lucky to get one of the machines that really didn't need any modding. I also roasted in a bunch of other brands that just did it without trouble when I was travelling, so I know they are out there. v
When you take the cover off the body of the machine, there's a small (maybe 1'x1' rectangular device with 2 wires leading into it attached to the side of the chamber that holds the mixing bowl. He removed it from the chamber and stuck it to the outside cover wall so it doesn't heat up and trip the circuit. It's pretty much the only thing attached to the side of the chamber, so it's easy to identify. When I get home I can probably take a picture if you need it. On 1/31/07, Carole Zatz wrote: <Snip>
OK, I just put on my boots and trundled out to the garage (yes, it's one of those days here). My bread machine doesn't have anything even vaguely sensor like in the bread pan or its housing. I am wondering if this is generalizable? Look for a sensor, if it is there, you may have to pull or otherwise disable the thermostat, if there isn't anything sensorish showing in the housing, you're probably good to go. Need more data :). v Kris McN wrote: <Snip>
On 1/31/07, Kris McN wrote: <Snip> Thanks! I did take the bottom plate off and lifted the outside frame. The insides of mine is still very well concealed. I did see a wire bent in two (made a U) and where the bend is, it's screwed to the chamber that holds the mixing bowl. The wire is brown and it's covered in insulation. This I could unscrew from the chamber and it move away. I don't know if this is it or not. Also, there are two blue wires leading into the mixing bowl chamber. Where they lead is hidden behind a hunk of sheet metal that surrounds the mixing bowl chamber. I don't see how to get that sheet metal cover off. I could cut the two blue wires, but that's about it. I don't which to try... I bet it's where the blue wires go and I can't see in there. If there wasn't that sheet metal cover .... If you get an opportunity and could take a picture I would be so grateful.
Carole, Oh, sure. They all have to be different, don't they? Yes, I'm pretty sure the U-shaped one is the thermostat, based on your description. There's a little sensor underneath that insulation. If you move it away, that'll probably do the trick. I guess a picture of mine wouldn't be much help after all. Kris McN On 1/31/07, Carole Zatz wrote: <Snip>
Well, I just popped over to my local thrift shop and found a cute little DAK bread maker. Looks just like R2D2. I'm going to try that next it's much easier to move around (my other one is a huge Panasonic. Plus it has a round bread pan instead of the rectangular one in the Panasonic. Then tomorrow, I'll see about getting a stronger heat gun. Sometime I will test the other one though and see if pulling that wire away disabled the thermostat. That would be good to know. The thrift shop had two makers (one was just like the one I have with the thermostat). So I now own 3 bread makers :) My 'good' one I mainly use for making jam and chutney saves tons of stirring and it never burns. Thanks for your help!
I'd really appreciate any and all pictures of the thermostat stuff, if you would give me permission to post them on the web--with or without attribution--your choice. vicki Carole Zatz wrote: > Sometime I will test the other one though and see if pulling that wire <Snip>
Sure, I'll send a picture once I get home from work (assuming my 2.5 yr old hasn't hid the digital camera) On 1/31/07, Vicki Smith wrote: <Snip>
On 1/31/07, Vicki Smith wrote: <Snip> Sure, as soon as I figure out that it really was the thermostat and disabling it worked.
Second try: First, I tried yesterday's roast and it had definitely stalled and ended up baked. Tasted very bright and so-so. Drinkable but not great. Oh well... Second, the DAK I picked up yesterday has a nice hole in the bottom under the mixing paddle. So that won't work and it'll have to go back (they have 48 hr return period). Third, I tried another roast this morning with the first bread maker to see if what I moved away from the mixing bowl chamber was indeed the thermostat. Well, it was a thermostat. The machine no longer stopped because it thought it was too hot to continue running. So that's good news. Unfortunately, at around 10 min into the roast it thought it had done a good job of it and went into rest mode! There's probably another thermostat somewhere. This machine is just too darn smart! But my roast this time was much more successful. I didn't have any more of the Panama so I roasted some of SM's Italian Espresso Blend. This roasts to Vienna and I thought it'd be a good one to try. The first crack started, one crack very tentatively at 6:45 into the roast, and then strongly at around 8 - 9. So this was more like it. At 10:00 into the roast the bread maker decided to rest but I was ready with the wooden spoon (need longer spoon) and it didn't stop for a second. I kept the heat gun on High and it worked fine. Again, it was 30F outside and I think if it was warmer it could go to Low. At 11:30 it started second crack and I let it run about 30 seconds or so. My timings are just estimates I didn't write anything down at the time. It looks like a very nice Vienna roast to me. I've compared it to the photos at the SM web site. I don't see any oil drops on the beans and they don't look super-shiney but they're not dull either. Based on the second crack going I know they're past Full City+. (I wish I could see examples of the various stages in person.) I quickly spritzed them with water and took them inside and stuck them in the freezer for a couple of minutes. They look and smell great! Vicki, I'll get you a photo of the change I made ...
Yup, you have to have a good look around with the pan out--both looking for what might be a thermostat, and looking to see that the bread pan has a solid bottom. I know a machine almost identical to my Sunbeam was made by Oster. Also look to make sure that the pan/paddle is not Teflon lined. A wired brush drill attachment might make short work of Teflon on the paddle, but the pan would take some work. v Carole Zatz wrote: <Snip>
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I know my bread machine pauses for about a few seconds every 30 seconds, but will run long enough to roast a whole lot of coffee on the bread machine. I imagine that they need that pause to keep the motor from burning out, and the pause doesn't seem to matter at all in terms of the coffee roasting. In fact, that pause is just long enough to take a good look at the roast--something that is hard to do when the beans are whirling around. The longest roast I have ever had went 15 minutes, and the machine will knead for 20. v raymanowen wrote: <Snip>
On 2/1/07, raymanowen wrote: <Snip> K <Snip> I sure wish I could find one of those Oster/Sunbeams! I that what you're going to use? The DAK I found wouldn't work because of the hole in the bottom where the paddle attached to a gasket. The only thing I've found used around here are the Panasonics and they've got these rectangular pans that really toss out the beans. (Course that really gets rid of the chaff!) Plus I've had to go in and remove the thermocouple from the mixing pan chamber. Also, they've both moved into the Rest stage at 10:00 minutes when full of beans (but not when they're empty and I do a test run then they run at least 25 min very irritating). Do you think that eliminating the Fth would solve that or is it probably a circuit/programming situation? If I can't eliminate that problem, I'll try stopping it at around 6:00 and resetting it. I hadn't thought of the heat issue with the motor. But I've had my KA mixer stop on me when kneading too large a loaf. I like the idea of taking off the bottom plate and maybe putting it on a grate. I think I'll definitely need to get a more powerful heat gun. So now my winter jacket smells just like roasted coffee it could be wor= se!
The folks on the coffeesnobs bulletin board (where some folks will swear they invented this roasting method) are generally using a device that holds the HG in place and are fixing it quite a bit further away from the beans. They are having trouble finding heat guns powerful enough to roast the coffee within the time on the dough cycles. Now, you can speed up the roast a whole lot if the heat gun is very close to the beans, but then you have the risk of scorching the outside of the beans whilst the inside is underdone. I also don't think it is a good idea to point the HG at the same place in the bread pan all the time--the really hot surface in that one place seems to both increase the likelihood of scorching beans as they hit there, and possibly could increase the chances of the machine itself catching fire. Using a 1500 watt gun, which is easy to find, you can achieve an 11 to 12 minute FC roast easily with a HG distance of about 2 inches. This should be well within the parameters of the dough cycle of most machines designed to make 2 pounds of bread. v raymanowen wrote: <Snip>
A new Sunbeam runs about $40. I think it works the same. I've used a Wellbilt and a Breville, both without making adjustments of any kind--I'm not sure about the model numbers. v
Ray, I have done hundreds of roasts with my bread machine, lots of them back to back even. On my Pretty Good Roaster the shielding is removed and the bowl clamps to the top of the spindle above the motor. When using it earlier on, I had to defeat the thermostat and fuse, but then the control panel would get so hot that it would start blinking and everything stopped! Now... no control panel.. just a switch to turn the motor on. Works fine. I did leave the little blower motor in there, the one that is supposed to cool the bread. It now blows indirectly on the motor, merely by cutting the duct at an angle so it blows into the innards... spindle, belt, motor.. Cheers, PeterZ raymanowen wrote: <Snip>
Carol, I just tip the whole machine to dump the beans :) PeterZ Carole Zatz wrote: <Snip>
When first roasting with a BM my machine would stop after 15 minutes also. Not really a problem because I usually finished before then. If it did stop however, I just restarted it :) The paddle hardly even stopped! PeterZ Vicki Smith wrote: <Snip>
On 2/1/07, Vicki Smith wrote: <Snip> I've checked my local Craigslist and have a couple of queries out regarding some WellBilts. They want an arm and a leg ($60)... if they won't come down in price I might as well pick up something new. Unless I can somehow beat my Panasonic into shape. I did pick up the other Panasonic today at the thrift shop ($8) and I must have tossed out 1/4 of the beans! Don't recommend a 2lb. rectangular loaf pan Panasonic! It also stopped at 10:00 to Rest. My original Panasonic is a 1lb square loaf version and it worked great except for the stopping problem. I didn't think finding a good bread machine to use was going to be the problem!
The Sunbeam on Amazon is $35. I can't swear it is the same as mine, but Sunbeam has manuals on their website, so that may give you the information you need. v Carole Zatz wrote: <Snip>
The thrift stores in my town are usually loaded with bread machines. If you like I will look for you. Please let me know off list. They are usually less than $10.00. PeterZ Vicki Smith wrote: <Snip>
On 2/1/07, Vicki Smith wrote: <Snip> I checked the manual about the sunbeam on Amazon (thanks for the tip ! I did see that a couple of days ago but then got into this thrift shopping and totally forgot about it) and it says that on 'Basic' the kneading part runs for 10 minutes and then goes into Rest. It doesn't mention the specs for the 'Dough' cycle. I bet it's the same. I may order it just to see. Someone local who I found on craigslist (she has the Welbilt) is going to check the manual on that to see how long it will knead in 'Dough'. At least I think with that one, I wouldn't have to fuss with the thermostat. I may just go back and pick up the DAK again. I'm trying to create a mental picture of me tipping over the DAK/Welbilt and not making a real mess of it :) Anyway, can't wait to try the Italian espresso tomorrow morning. I'll be using my Brikka as I'm still saving for a Gaggia.
If not, then just stop and reset it before the end of the ten minutes. I was reading reviews on epinions and noticed that folks had bought them at discount chain stores, including the big "W". Carole Zatz wrote: <Snip>
On 2/1/07, Vicki Smith wrote: <Snip> For some reason, they're just not being carried around here. I checked (called) the local Best Buy, Circuit City, BJ's, Costco, Bed Bath and Beyond, Target, various hardware-type stores and Walmart. They all had the $60+ models. I went ahead and ordered the Sunbeam from Amazon. Free shipping and it'll probably be here tomorrow :) My original Panasonic is just too small (only 1 pound loaf) and I'm a little nervous about tipping the DAK to get the beans out.
Carole, FYI - My BM is a Breadman and it will run for 18 minutes on the dough setting before quitting (now that the thermostat is disconnected). The first 2 minutes are pulse-mixing, then it goes to continuous for another 16 (I got it for $5 at Goodwill). There's no teflon, and it's got a good size paddle, though shorter since it's been ground a bit. My heatgun is an Ace Hardware store brand, 1200w, with a 750' and 1000' settings (which sounds like the one you're using). I used to start with it at 750 and bump it up to 1000 when 1st crack started, but since the weather got cold I start on 1000' and just move the nozzle closer to, or farther from, the bean mass to regulate. I usually hit 1st crack at ~9:30 and dump the beans anywhere from 11:30 - 13:30 depending on the degree of roast I'm going for. Kris McN
Carole sent me pictures and a narrative about moving/removing the thermostat from the equation. I put them on a web page, and connected it from the FAQhttp://coffeecrone.com/roasting/thermostat.htmv
On 2/1/07, raymanowen wrote: <Snip> I was thinking about this. When a BM is kneading (and it could do this as long as 15 minutes when making bread) the load on the motor would be much higher due to the 'denseness' of the dough. When it's stirring beans, the beans are very lightweight and airy. Does this make it an easier job for the motor? Or is it the extra heat that's supplied by the heat gun that's an added problem? My 'good' BM actually has a jam setting where it runs for 50 minutes, cooking and stiring the whole time. Might this make an excellent roaster as it would even add a little extra heat? ('course, it would probably think it overheated and stop?!?)
So I am not really an expert on motors, torque, run time etc. Just putting things in perspective is where I make the least flaws. I took apart a stir crazy popper to put a switch in the heater, and saw the motor in it. (Very wimpy) Saw how it keeps reversing when it got stuck on a bean, and went looking for a better device to stir under my convection oven. Tried upside down electric mixers drilled through electric frying pans... etc. Then I found a bread machine! The motor weighs almost as much as a whole stir crazy! And people love stir crazies! So it spins a bit fast, the beans stay in the container, and they really get moved around and roast evenly. So you think you should worry about your BM motor? Just have a look at a stir crazy some day :) PeterZ my .02333333333, from here in LHC Carole Zatz wrote: <Snip>
amen. that's why i ditched my SC. peterz wrote: <Snip>
A bread machine motor can take a lot of abuse. It puts out a lot of torque because of the job it has, that dough gets thick at times and it has to whip it into shape. Every whUUR whUUR is putting a lot of torque (read current and heat) through that motor. Beans now, there is very little resistance in stirring them around so the electrical load will be a lot less on the motor, so it will run much cooler. The bread does cook in this thing, I don't know what the temp is so am taking a shot and saying around 400 degrees maybe a bit more?? The motor is not running during the cook cycle but still IF it is going to get hot in the way the design is, it WILL feel that heat. I don't think the motor will really feel all the heat because the only connecting joint is really just the drive arm sticking through. If you hit it with a blower to heat it up, id think it might even be coolor because you are aiming the heat inside the mixing bowl and it has to get out to heat the unit up to eventually make it to the motor via other than conduction down the shaft means.. in other words the heat is aimed inside and has to work its way out of the bowl and into the rest of the unit.. Whereas if you cook bread, the heating element is on the outside of the bowl, and the heat has to get in so it's heating the unit itself up as well as the bowl. Just my two coppers. Aaron
Carole, some motors do odd things- The DC blower motors were replaced with AC motors on a large pipe organ. Th= e 385 hp DC motors required 3 phase AC induction motors rated at 600 hp to do the job. It happened about 15 years ago to the Atlantic City Convention Hal= l Auditorium organ. [OT: Donald Trump wants to tear it all down and build a new casino.-sigh- the Golden Rule... The place is designated a National Historic Landmark, bu= t Gold Rules] The point is, the DC motors could withstand a massive overload for a few seconds while starting the large blowers, then cool down for hours at norma= l load. Like the starter motor in your car- crank for a few seconds then shut off for several minutes. Normally, the starter does nothing at all, but put= s out Hellacious power for the few seconds it cranks. Single phase (household power) AC induction motors can't start spinning by themselves without a "kick start." A capacitor is sometimes used to temporarily feed phase shifted AC power to a starting winding to start the motor spinning. A centrifugal switch disconnects the capacitor when the motor is spinning. 99.99% of the time, the starting winding is doing nothing but taking up space that could be occupied by the "run" winding. Motors get paid to run, not start, so the start winding is minimal for the application. Single phas= e motors for air compressor duty usually have slob starting windings and larg= e start capacitors. Permanent Split Capacitor (PSC) motors take advantage of the increased torque available by leaving a start/ run capacitor connected, and the "extra" winding shares in providing a strong rotating magnetic field for th= e induction armature. The Mazzer grinders have PSC motors, and warn not to run them more than 30 minutes out of each hour. Q: What would you do with all the ground coffee? Egad. Give it away. Cheee... They actually run cooler under full load than with no load. For the fairly short time of a roast, I doubt that the heat gun would cause any damage unless you trained it on the plastic case. It would be bad news if the moto= r actually got hot enough to aid in the roast. Then what would you do with al= l the insulating goo that would drain from the wires? Bad scene Cheers -RayO, aka Opa! *Disclaimer:* Statements contained herein have not been evaluated by the SCAA. This free advice is worth every penny and is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or ameliorate any coffee condition but lack thereof. Always consult your professional cupper to see if it's right for you
You "took apart a Stir Crazy popper to put a switch in the heater, and saw the motor in it. (Very wimpy)" It's the same motor used in microwave ovens to turn the carousel, by the way. For the Stir Crazy 8, the motor is just large enough to move the stirring arm with a full load of popcorn kernels. I bought the thing on an eBay auction (long time ago), but skipped the Turbo Oven- let the shills have it, and a stick of gum, too. Makes great Kettle Corn- need the Fiber. I think it's too good a popper to sacrifice to stirring an overload of coffee beans while using an overpriced convection oven. There's a better way coming. Cheers -RayO, aka Opa! "The indisputable truth is that no coffee is fresh if it isn't fresh roasted." - - Martin Diedrich
Ray :) As usual thank you for the great explanation :) My bread machine does indeed have a start capacitor, and it seems like it is always in the circuit (no centrifugal switch). That being said, I have run it for well over an hour doing back to back to back roasts. It keeps on running even when the temp outside is over 110F. These things are way over built for coffee roasting.. or I got lucky with this $3.00 purchase. Which brings up another point... I have a */few/* spares ;) PeterZ Very happy with his Welbuilt, here in LHC. raymanowen wrote: <Snip>