This is a multi-part message in MIME format. I placed an order for a Presto Scandinavian Coffee maker from Kmart.com = and they droped the ball. I placed the order on January 29th and had = not recieved any word as of Feb. 3rd. So I called and the person = informed me that the machine would be shipping out on Monday Feb. 5th. = Today Feb. 4th I recieved and email stating that my order was cancled = because it is now out of stock. Horrible customer service buyer beware. = I will never ever purchase from them again. Thanks for letting me rant = a bit. Brian
I also ordered from them but they haven't cancelled my order yet. It shows as 'backordered'. I'm willing to wait! Just hope they can actually fulfill it. -F? On 2/4/07, Brian Fowler wrote: <Snip>
Ok, maybe I'm just WAAAY out of the loop. (This wouldn't be the first time!) But is there anything particularly special about this Kmart coffee maker? I keep hearing about it but haven't quite figured out why. Apologies if this has been explained repeatedly. Tim
The Presto Scandinavian coffee maker has been discontinued and, at this point, KMart and Sears are the sole distributors. Once it is gone, it's gone. When it was easily available, at Costco and a myriad of other stores, it was praised for the brewing temp and the price, and damned because the failure rate was high and some units emitted a nasty plastic smell. Now that it is almost gone, there is a rush to get it and it is seen as one of the great bargains of coffee world, which at its current price is understandable, though some folks seem to expect it to be more than it really is. Vicki Tim Smith wrote: <Snip>
The poor man's Technivorm. I got 2 (the *last* 2 at this particular K-Mart) for $40 about a month ago. I like it for a dripper, but I prefer my presspots or my Moka pots. Larry J (Lilboybrew) On 2/5/07, Vicki Smith wrote: <Snip> -- "I hear, and I forget. I see, and I remember. I do, and I understand." -- Confucius
Kmart/Sears bought the last 25,000 Presto's back in October. They offered a $2.99 replacement plan for a while and I assume they held a few back. I'm not going to hold my breath until the next inexpensive unit to heat to the right temp is introduced. I think the coffee maker companies learned that those who buy cheap makers also buy cheap coffee. Cheap coffee brews better at a lower temp. because it doesn't fully extract the off flavors of poor coffee.
I wonder if there's a way to modify a regular cheap coffee maker to brew at a higher temperature? Does anybody know *why* this thing brews hotter than the rest?
Generally it's the wattage of the heating element and sometimes it's the placement of the heater. Presto is a 1300 watt, the old melitta clarity(another unit that did a good job) was 1230w. Many units now are only 800-1000 watts. The presto also has an extra heater near the exit to give the water a final boost.
Thus the reason I have a Clarity for my daily brew, and a Presto on my storage shelf... $15 was cheap insurance against my Clarity... Brett On 2/5/07, Edward Bourgeois wrote: <Snip> -- Cheers, Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com
i think it has 3 heating elements, so probably 1) gets the water hotter faster and 2) may have a better quality thermostat that stops at the right temp, consistently and 3) may have a shorter better insulated path from tank to coffee grounds so it doesn't lose heat on the way. Who knows? it's all magic! On 2/5/07, Tim Smith wrote: <Snip>
I've found that you can get by with the cheap drip brewers if you preheat them. That is run 1/2 pot of water through the machine w/o any coffee. Then dump the water down the drain, put the filter basket in (using SwissGold of course) and brew coffee with fresh and filtered water. This allows the ceap heating element to come to temp and the first time water hits the grinds the water is at 197-199. I confirmed this with a thermal probe over the summer. The cup results confirm as well, richer and fuller flavor. -- My home coffee roasting blog:http://homecoffeeroastblog.blogspot.com/Kevin
Very interesting idea!
For less than $20 you can buy a machine that has the right temperature already ... The other method just adds work - or at least that is my take. Buy the Presto... Brett On 2/5/07, MSMB wrote: <Snip> -- Cheers, Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. I already have one but am anticipating . the last one I had worked for only about one month but fortunately I was able to get my money back from Sears. My K-Mart has been out of them. The floor model is still on the floor with a price of $24, but the store will not sell it. The k-mart web site does not carry them, so far as I can see. From: homeroast-admin [mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Brett Mason Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 11:44 PM To: homeroast Subject: Re: +Kmart coffee pot poor service For less than $20 you can buy a machine that has the right temperature already ... The other method just adds work - or at least that is my take. Buy the Presto... Brett On 2/5/07, MSMB wrote: Very interesting idea!
We've discussed this before so Ill bring it up again just briefly. The reason many pots do NOT get up to temp is.. The water is heated, actually it is boiled in these pots at the bottom of them. The steam pressure is what forces the water out the nozzle up top and into your brew basket. Unfortunately for us, the rubber / plastic tube that brings the hot water up from the boiling spot, to the nozzle up top, generally tends to run right through the resivoir of water the pot is going to use. This water tends to be around the temperature that it came out of your water faucet at. Some quick math, run 200 ish degree water through a volume of water that's closer to 80 degrees... yep it's gonna lose some heat. As brett mentioned, you can pre heat the water in the resivoir, that way the 200 ish degree water is running through water that is now probably closer to 150 degrees instead of 80, so the heat loss is a lot less.... This is why when you first start the pot of coffee brewing, it just kind of burbles out the dripper, yet as the pot gets close to being done it actually starts spurting or is more lively when it comes out the dripper, until finally at the end, its blown out with a lot of steam....... because there is no more water in the resivoir to leech the heat from it so it's pretty much full temp at the top. what I have done, is take some tubing from any hardware store, home depot etc etc, and double wall it by running it down the existing tube. (yes some minor assembly / disassembly required) , and RTV it to thebottom of the resivoir to seal it. That way there is a small air gap between the tubes, and the heat can't get leeched out so quickly and the water generally comes out the spout where we want it to be temperature wise. Better yet, just get a swiss gold and nuke a glass of water... perfect cup every time. Aaron