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Topic: rk drum - gas grill question (25 msgs / 629 lines)
1) From: Kevin
I was looking at the rk drum setup the other day and was wondering if
anyone could answer a question I had. When roasting with an rk drum or
gas grill, does the fuel impart a taste to the coffee beans?  When
propane is used as a fuel in the grill I would imagine incomplete
combustion would occur leaving a hydrocarbon residue on the beans.
Does anyone have experience with this?
-- 
My home coffee roasting blog:http://homecoffeeroastblog.blogspot.com/Kevin

2) From: Bob
Whenever I feel the need to treat myself  I'll buy a nice prime porterhouse 
and grill it on the propane fired grill designated for food(the less 
expensive one of course). Never tasted a taint of gas. My unqualified 
opinion--don't worry about it. I've used the RK on both natural and propane 
gas and have not detected a problem w/ either.  VegasBob

3) From: Coffeenut
Kevin,
Having drum roasted (using the same drum) with electricity and propane as a
heat source, I don't taste any ill effect from the propane vs electric.  The
main difference for me is that I'm doing larger batches on the gas grill.
Rick

4) From: Scott Marquardt
On 2/14/07, Kevin  wrote:
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Oh I wouldn't be worried in the least about incomplete combustion of
the propane itself. Read the first paragraph here:http://www.answers.com/topic/methanethioland consider, rather, what
incomplete combustion of propane's aromatic additive might mean for
your roast.   ;-)
- Scott

5) From: Scott Marquardt
Forgot to mention -- I've never really had a problem with this myself.
- S
On 2/14/07, Scott Marquardt  wrote:
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6) From: raymanowen
The BBQ flame is not confined within a small steel chamber so that the
flame's complete, rapid progress is quenched in the open combustion burner.
Nor does the fire burn out and need restocking with incompletely vaporized
fuel and oxygen poisoned with CO2 fire suppressant and need re-ignition
several times per second.
Internal combustion Otto Cycle heat engines represent the worst possible
situation for complete combustion that exists on the planet. They supply th=
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force causing the execution of nearly as many lives annually as this countr=
y
lost in the entire Vietnam debacle. And We Love it- this liquid WMD. Our
leaders couldn't find it with both hands. Why?
They and their minions probably have to subsist on $ecret $ervice $ertified
coffee.- another liquid WMD!
Too bad, so sad- this Panama CE 1.7 - 1.8 km says Hello!
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
*Disclaimer:* Statements contained herein have not been evaluated by the
SCAA. This free advice is worth every penny and is not intended to diagnose=
,
treat, cure or ameliorate any roasting SNAFU. Always consult your
professional Cupper to see if it's right for you… Discontinue use and tel=
l
your Cupper if the cup develops any off-flavors.

7) From: Floyd Lozano
Dude you lost me at BBQ.  What are you talking about? ;)
On 2/15/07, raymanowen  wrote:
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8) From: Kevin
I guess the bottom line is propane use in a grill doesn't impart a
taste to the roast?

9) From: Tom Ulmer
That would depend on your taste buds and the quality of propane. For me the
sense of smell and taste seem to run together and I can certainly smell a
propane fire.
I prefer a solid drum for a number of reasons.

10) From: Justin Marquez
On 2/14/07, Kevin  wrote:
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I roast with HG/DB and an RK drum. I can't taste any flavor tainting
of the beans roasted in the BBQ drup setup, even though I grill food
in the same drum (but NOT at the same time...).  My wife's sense of
smell and taste is much superior to mine and she doesn't report any
differences either.
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (CYPRESS, TX)

11) From: miKe mcKoffee
Just curious, what type of food(s) do you grill in the same RK 'drum'?-)
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
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first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
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12) From: Coffeenut
Must be BaR-K BQue or some form of drum-butt chicken!
Rick

13) From: Ed Needham
Smell and taste are very much linked together in the brain.  Taste depends 
on smell to a huge degree.
Hold your nose and taste something if you don't believe me.
I'm sure there is a smell to burning propane, although I can't smell it 
after the initial startup.
Tom, can you taste propane combustion residue on the beans?
*********************
Ed Needham®
"to absurdity and beyond!"http://www.homeroaster.com(include [FRIEND] in subject line to get through my SPAM filters)
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14) From: Tom Ulmer
Ed, 
I've never tried to discern the taste of propane combustion in coffee and
I'm fairly certain that I wouldn't be able to determine whether a roast was
done in a perforated drum or solid drum by taste - particularly after the
beans have rested as the taste components in coffee are quite complex to me.
There would be some likelihood that I could recognize the beans by smell
directly after the roast unless my nose had become desensitized by
overexposure to the scent of propane combustion.

15) From: Justin Marquez
On 2/15/07, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
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Meats mostly.  The occasional steak, or hamburger, or chicken, or sausages.
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (CYPRESS, TX)

16) From: L. Michael Fraley, MD
Seems like the hamburger patties would break apart.
Michael
On Feb 16, 2007, at 5:01 PM, Justin Marquez wrote:
On 2/15/07, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
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Meats mostly.  The occasional steak, or hamburger, or chicken, or 
sausages.
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (CYPRESS, TX)

17) From: Justin Marquez
On 2/16/07, L. Michael Fraley, MD  wrote:
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"SAME GRILL", NOT "SAME DRUM" fer cryin' out loud!
Sorry 'bout that confusion.  Pretty obviously I DON'T use the RK drum
for anything but coffee.  You guys caught me typing stuff in at work
and not checking what I wrote too carefully!!
Sheesh! Buncha freekin' jailhouse lawyers...
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (CYPRESS, TX)

18) From: miKe mcKoffee
Confusion? What confusion? No confusion here! Simply reading what was said
and envisioning the possibilities. I mean, it could work just fine too for
some things. Take ingredients you might normally shish kabob but instead
toss 'em loose into a well pre-heated drum. Seared as they tumble. Thinking
you'd probably not want one of the slower rmp motors... 
For the record, that's jailhouse English teachers not lawyers:-)
Kona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
Sweet Maria's List - Searchable Archiveshttp://themeyers.org/HomeRoast/
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19) From: Eddie Dove
Throw some hamburger patties in there and viola!  Meatballs!
Eddie
On 2/16/07, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
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20) From: raymanowen
BBQ is an open, steady-state flame that is adjusted for optimum. So is the
flame in an engine, but it lasts only a few milliseconds, burns nearly out,
is dumped into the atmosphere while still burning. Ever wonder why there are
so many bald automotive engineers?
Hydrocarbons are generated by the incomplete combustion of fuel in a metal
machine that converts heat energy into rpm, torque, noise and waste heat.
The bottom line is that we've been taught and conditioned to Love SAE
compromises and the liquid WMD that we all wait on line to buy. Coffee
leaves SM uncompromised- I hope I can keep it that way and improve it on my
watch...
Cheers -RayO, aka Opa!
"The indisputable truth is that no coffee is fresh if it isn't fresh
roasted." - - Martin Diedrich

21) From: George
What is the roast level of the steaks?  I prefer a city roast on steaks and=
 on prime rib an cinnamon roast.
 
George       the MadHemi Roaster of =
CNY
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iday, February 16, 2007 9:22:47 PM
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Seems like the hamburger patties would break apart.
Michael=
On Feb 16, 2007, at 5:01 PM, Justin Marquez wrote:
On 2/15/07=
, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
> Just curious, what type of =
food(s) do you grill in the same RK 
> 'drum'?-)
>
> Kona Konnaisseur=
 miKe mcKoffee
> URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:
> =http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htm> Ultimately the ques=
t for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I 
> must
> first not =
know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal 
> enlightenment
> =
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone 
> b=
efore.
>
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>http://themeyer=s.org/HomeRoast/
Meats mostly.  The occasional steak, or hamburger, or=
 chicken, or 
sausages.
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
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22) From: George
Ah, shish kabob's a-la-natural.  Have a profile for them?  Maybe a medium f=
ast drying stage then a longer slow roast from 1st blood to 2nd blood (much=
 less and darker in color)?  Or do you, gasp, go into 3rd like CharBucks?=
 
George       the MadHemi Roaster of CNY
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From: miKe mcKoffee 
To: homeroast=
eetmarias.com
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 11:12:32 PM
Subject: RE: =
+rk drum - gas grill question
Confusion? What confusion? No confusion =
here! Simply reading what was said
and envisioning the possibilities. I m=
ean, it could work just fine too for
some things. Take ingredients you mi=
ght normally shish kabob but instead
toss 'em loose into a well pre-heate=
d drum. Seared as they tumble. Thinking
you'd probably not want one of th=
e slower rmp motors... 
For the record, that's jailhouse English teach=
ers not lawyers:-)
Kona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, =
FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Ro=sto_mod.htm
Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. T=
o know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Person=
al enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those w=
ho have gone before.
Sweet Maria's List - Searchable Archives
http:/=
/themeyers.org/HomeRoast/ 
>

23) From: L. Michael Fraley, MD
Hey Justin,
Ha ha!  I figured as much.... just pullin' your chain a little!  :)
Michael
On Feb 16, 2007, at 10:29 PM, Justin Marquez wrote:
On 2/16/07, L. Michael Fraley, MD  wrote:
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"SAME GRILL", NOT "SAME DRUM" fer cryin' out loud!
Sorry 'bout that confusion.  Pretty obviously I DON'T use the RK drum
for anything but coffee.  You guys caught me typing stuff in at work
and not checking what I wrote too carefully!!
Sheesh! Buncha freekin' jailhouse lawyers...
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (CYPRESS, TX)

24) From: L. Michael Fraley, MD
George,
I took my last batch of Australian lamb to 1st blood, and after about 
10 minutes rest it was fantastic.  There were hints of Type A +, 
excellent full body, and an O - finish.  Wonderful!  :P
Michael
On Feb 17, 2007, at 10:14 AM, George wrote:
Ah, shish kabob's a-la-natural.  Have a profile for them?  Maybe a =
medium fast drying stage then a longer slow roast from 1st blood to 2nd =
blood (much less and darker in color)?  Or do you, gasp, go into 3rd =
like CharBucks?
 
George       the MadHemi Roaster of CNY
----- Original Message ----
From: miKe mcKoffee 
To: homeroast
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 11:12:32 PM
Subject: RE: +rk drum - gas grill question
Confusion? What confusion? No confusion here! Simply reading what was 
said
and envisioning the possibilities. I mean, it could work just fine too =
for
some things. Take ingredients you might normally shish kabob but instead
toss 'em loose into a well pre-heated drum. Seared as they tumble. 
Thinking
you'd probably not want one of the slower rmp motors...
For the record, that's jailhouse English teachers not lawyers:-)
Kona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I 
must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal 
enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone 
before.
Sweet Maria's List - Searchable Archiveshttp://themeyers.org/HomeRoast/ >

25) From: Laura Micucci
THAT was funny!
On 2/17/07, L. Michael Fraley, MD  wrote:
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Laura Micucci
www.freshroastedforyou.com


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