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Topic: OT: Linux [was Re: +woo hoo] (31 msgs / 611 lines)
1) From: Robert D. Crawford
"Patrick S. Harper"  writes:
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Don't you wish everything in life was like the command line?  Running
`find` for lost objects... grepping past conversations... writing a nice
shell script to replace every instance of debit with the word credit in
your bank statement...  The possibilities are endless.
Good to see that another GNU/Linux user is around.
rdc
-- 
Robert D. Crawford                                     robdcraw
The lunatic, the lover, and the poet,
Are of imagination all compact...
		-- Wm. Shakespeare, "A Midsummer Night's Dream"

2) From: stereoplegic
i'm all about gnu/linux, but the command line still scares the crap out 
of me (then again so do kde and gnome (we are still trying to be lighter 
and leaner than windows, right), i'll take blackbox, fluxbox or 
windowmaker over them any day); but then i'm mostly using it for music, 
so a little gui definitely helps. i might even deviate from my 
cheapskate habits and shell out for studio to go a few versions from now 
(though i'm (almost) perfectly happy w/ dyne:bolic for the time being).
robdcraw wrote:
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3) From: Richard Ferguson
Never thought I would find linux people on a home roasting site.. and they say
we arn't taking over ;-)
richard
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4) From: Robert D. Crawford
stereoplegic  writes:
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I started using GNU/Linux during the Redhat 4.x days (1996-7, IIRC) and
at that time the command line was a necessity.  I, too, have had a
tendency toward window managers as all that memory and processing power
seemed a waste to me.  My preference was for fvwm.  I still use X, but I
now use emacs as my window manager as I need emacspeak for my visual
impairments.
Take care,
rdc
-- 
Robert D. Crawford                                     robdcraw
Philosophy will clip an angel's wings.
		-- John Keats

5) From: Jeff Dingbaum
On 2/21/07, Richard Ferguson  wrote:
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I've been doing unix of multiple flavors since 1986.  Have been focused on
Solaris since 1999 or so.  I'm new here.  Saw someone else here may have
been
a pilot also (not professionally).
Wanted to brew my own beer, but since I fly, I'm building my own airplane in
my
spare time, which is not much lately, and I have young kids, my wife
suggested
something less time consuming!!
I roast in a poppery I that I picked up on ebay in November.  I dump in 4 oz
of
beans and roast for 5 to 6 minutes, depending on the beans.  Brew into a
thermos pot because when I work from home I sometimes I don't get to the
third
cup right away and I don't like burnt coffee.  It's really amazing how good
it tastes.
I know that people will scoff at my pot, that people have roasting profiles
in more
sophisticated equipment, but for me,  my setup is easy, it produces a good
cup
of coffee and I'm happy.  I have a hard time drinking coffee outside of the
home,
however.  It will never be the same because it will taste like junk.
I have a question, though.  How much do you grind for an 8 or 10 cup pot?  I
go
by visual in my whirly grinder and it seems ok.    Also, I've seen reference
on the
list to resting times.  I've seen on some of the SM pages that you should
use them
withing 5 days.  People seem to let them rest longer than that.
Jeff

6) From: Dan Hanson
I have been using Linux for awhile also. Mostly use Slackware but also have
Fedora and Ubuntu installed along with XP. Still haven't been able to get
the rest of the family to give up on windows yet.

7) From: Stuart Krivis
stereoplegic wrote:
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I don't fiddle with that GNU/Linux stuff. I just call it Linux. :-)
KDE and Gnome are useful for different sorts of tasks than a more 
bare-bones window manager.
At one point I used nothing but Windowmaker, but now I'm happily using KDE.
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8) From: Stuart Krivis
Dan Hanson wrote:
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I've converted a few people over to SuSE from Windows. It comes with 
everything they need and even works similarly in many ways. (With the 
KDE desktop anyway.)
Ubuntu is another possibility for weaning people off Windows, as is 
Linspire.
I bet a lot more people will be looking into Linux now that Vista has 
been released and people are seeing what it's really like. :-)

9) From: Robert D. Crawford
"Jeff Dingbaum"  writes:
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Isn't that what it is all about.  I might get a little more complicated
later but right now I figure I'm having fun and, so far, my worst roast
has been better than anything I have bought outside of Peet's, which
I've only had once.
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I grind 4 grams per cup.  That is measuring the cup as the coffee maker
measures, not what I get into my cup.
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I think this is the same as roasts, grinds, and everything else.  Rough
guidelines can be given but a lot of it is dependent on the bean, the
roaster (both the machine and the person) the coffee maker, the ambient
temperature, the phase of the moon, the age of the sacrifice to the
coffee gods... you get the point.  I think that I get pretty good flavor
at 12 hours... good enough for me, anyway, and better flavor after 24. 
I have just gotten my first "big bags" so I am doing more
experimentation with more controlled conditions.  I'll see how much
difference it makes to me and adjust accordingly.
Take care,
rdc
-- 
Robert D. Crawford                                     robdcraw
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10) From: Robert D. Crawford
"Dan Hanson"  writes:
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I just did a fresh Debian install on a laptop for my partner and she is
using it off and on.  She would like to get away from MS but publishes a
independent magazine and needs to get things working before switching.
Take care,
rdc
-- 
Robert D. Crawford                                     robdcraw
For adult education nothing beats children.

11) From: Mike Garfias
I live in the terminal (just about literally).
It seems like everytime I roast on the IR2 I'm wishing I had the time  
to build up some roaster that let me program in a detailed roast  
curve (for real) that would read the bean temp and put it where I  
want it.
On Feb 21, 2007, at 3:20 AM, Robert D. Crawford wrote:
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12) From: Mike Garfias
You're a newbie.  I started with slack, switched to RH2, and switched  
back.  About a year later I ended up on Debian and have been there  
since.
Anyone remember the glibc2 migration fun?
On Feb 21, 2007, at 5:49 AM, Robert D. Crawford wrote:
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13) From: Vicki Smith
Linux-shminux. Isn't it time for one of us old furts to start talking 
about walking out of the lab at school with piles of punch cards, 
slipping, and watching 23 hours of work slide down the hall in front of us.
vicki (oh the humanity)
Mike Garfias wrote:
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14) From: Brett Mason
Yeah...  Did a lot of all-nighters getting my deck proofed and
submitted to the 360/50...  Had to go back the next day to get the
printout and discover if I was an idiot...
I was.  But a better idiot than most, and aced the classes....
Worked well in the long run...
Now I hack popcorn poppers and use an old coffee can as a knock box
I'm making great headway...
Brett
On 2/21/07, Vicki Smith  wrote:
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-- 
Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com

15) From: John F Coffey
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On Feb 21, 2007, at 9:06 PM, Vicki Smith wrote:
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Ohh punch cards .. haven't had to handle those in YEARS.. aren;t they  
museum stuff now ??
How about paper tape ?? trying to piece the ripped pieces back  
together so the machine will read it ...
I could go on and on ...ROFL..
--John
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at 9:06 PM, Vicki Smith wrote:
Linux-shminux. Isn't it time for one of us old furts = to start talking about walking out of the lab at school with piles of = punch cards, slipping, and watching 23 hours of work slide down the hall = in front of us. vicki (oh the = humanity)
Ohh punch cards .. haven't had = to handle those in YEARS.. aren;t they museum stuff now ??
How about paper tape ?? = trying to piece the ripped pieces back together so the machine will read = it ... 
I = could go on and on ...ROFL..
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16) From: hermit
And this has what to do with coffee?
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out 
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lighter 
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music, 
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now 
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being).
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KDE.
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interface
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nice
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17) From: Patrick S. Harper
The link from this to coffee is not too hard, we are all control freaks over
our coffee, Linux geeks are all control freaks over their OS/Apps, and where
you have IT people in general there is never a shortage of caffeinated
beverages and it is most likely they hot type.  Combine the two and pour in
water that is exactly 200 degrees... sorry, I was thinking about my
cup-o-coffee I am drinking.  Got a pot of Brazil Cachoeira da Grama Yellow
Bourbon with me and am about to start building a CentOS (read free Redhat
clone for those of you that are of the GNU breed) intrusion detection system
for a network and figure out what to make next, I think the Sumatra
Mandheling "Blue Batak" man I love that stuff.

18) From: Brett Mason
Coffee was invented as an optimization strategy for the computer
programmer... doh.
Brett
On 2/22/07, hermit  wrote:
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-- 
Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com

19) From: Lynne Biziewski
I mention the use of slide rules to my kids, and I start feeling like I am
talking about Ancient Egypt... from personal experience.
Lynne
On 2/22/07, Vicki Smith  wrote:
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20) From: Larry English
On 2/22/07, hermit  wrote:
And this has what to do with coffee?
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In olden tymes, programmers, particularly system programmers, worked
graveyard shifts, since that was the only time we could get on the mainframe
computers without worrying about crashing the operating system.  Without
coffee, we never could have survived, and with it, we kept on coding.
And, yeah, and it was always really baaaaad coffee ...
Larry

21) From: stereoplegic
yes, it's off topic, hence the "OT" in the subject line. if you don't 
want to receive OT banter, set up a filter, as was just mentioned in the 
"bandwidth..." thread.
hermit wrote:
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22) From: Stuart Krivis
Robert D. Crawford wrote:
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I used Debian for years everywhere I could, but I think I would now 
prefer Ubuntu for a desktop or workstation. (Ubuntu doesn't like the 
hardware I have on my desk at work, so I am using SuSE there.)
I still use Debian for servers, although I can see why people would use 
RatHed or SuSE for those. (I'm not very happy with the way Novell has 
been in bed with MS, so I doubt I'll be a SuSE user much longer.)

23) From: Stuart Krivis
Mike Garfias wrote:
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I don't remember it being so bad on Debian. I suspect it was worse on 
RatHed though.
I think I started on Yggdrasil and then went to Slackware. I later tried 
RH, but didn't like it.
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24) From: Stuart Krivis
Vicki Smith wrote:
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My Mom used punch cards at school in the late '70s when taking a COBOL 
course. I lucked out and didn't have to use them. (They made neat 
holiday wreaths though.) :-)
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25) From: Stuart Krivis
hermit wrote:
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Look at the subject line. See that little "OT?"
Get it? :-)
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26) From: Stuart Krivis
Lynne Biziewski wrote:
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I used a slide rule (my Dad's old one) in high school. They wouldn't let 
people use electronic calculators (TI had just released scientific 
calculators), but they'd let you use a slipstick. A slide rule was 
lighter than carrying around a book with the tables and I found it was 
faster too.
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27) From: Stuart Krivis
Larry English wrote:
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In more modern times... :-)
I was working at a large regional ISP from the mid '90s and on, and the 
online auction sites started to take off. I put in a silly little bid 
for a Krups espresso machine at Onsale.com and won. I had it shipped to 
work and had a mini expresso bar in my office for a while.
I could hardly get any work done in between pulling shots for people. :-)
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28) From: derbyrm
I was restraining myself, but ...
Punch cards were a HUGE improvement over paper tape, particularly when you 
were punching it on a SO machine (no feedback as to what key you hit, just 
holes in the tape).  With punch cards you could actually insert the 
instruction you forgot without re-keying the whole program.  (The original 
Illiac used WWII surplus Teletype machines for preparing one's input.)
Yes, I've "pied" a box of 2000 cards.  You learn to put diagonal marks 
across the edges with a marker.  We also had a tabulator which would take 
your deck and add sequence numbers to the last five or six columns.  (Pied 
is a typesetting term for a box of jumbled letters from back when one hand 
set lines of type.)
Most of my engineering drafts had rings from my coffee cup somewhere.
Roger
derbyrmhttp://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm

29) From: raymanowen
"...this has what to do with coffee?"
Nichts, except they were probably consuming same for the midnighters. Their
pleasure, not others'.
Heil, Hitler!
-ro

30) From: Brett Mason
Cmon ray, how does consuming coffee have anything to do with coffee?
Can't you further elaborate?
Brett
On 2/23/07, raymanowen  wrote:
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-- 
Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com

31) From: raymanowen
Yeah, but this has already grown like Jack's beanstalk... -ro


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