"Patrick S. Harper" writes: <Snip> Don't you wish everything in life was like the command line? Running `find` for lost objects... grepping past conversations... writing a nice shell script to replace every instance of debit with the word credit in your bank statement... The possibilities are endless. Good to see that another GNU/Linux user is around. rdc -- Robert D. Crawford robdcraw The lunatic, the lover, and the poet, Are of imagination all compact... -- Wm. Shakespeare, "A Midsummer Night's Dream"
i'm all about gnu/linux, but the command line still scares the crap out of me (then again so do kde and gnome (we are still trying to be lighter and leaner than windows, right), i'll take blackbox, fluxbox or windowmaker over them any day); but then i'm mostly using it for music, so a little gui definitely helps. i might even deviate from my cheapskate habits and shell out for studio to go a few versions from now (though i'm (almost) perfectly happy w/ dyne:bolic for the time being). robdcraw wrote: <Snip>
Never thought I would find linux people on a home roasting site.. and they say we arn't taking over ;-) richard <Snip>
stereoplegic writes: <Snip> I started using GNU/Linux during the Redhat 4.x days (1996-7, IIRC) and at that time the command line was a necessity. I, too, have had a tendency toward window managers as all that memory and processing power seemed a waste to me. My preference was for fvwm. I still use X, but I now use emacs as my window manager as I need emacspeak for my visual impairments. Take care, rdc -- Robert D. Crawford robdcraw Philosophy will clip an angel's wings. -- John Keats
On 2/21/07, Richard Ferguson wrote: <Snip> I've been doing unix of multiple flavors since 1986. Have been focused on Solaris since 1999 or so. I'm new here. Saw someone else here may have been a pilot also (not professionally). Wanted to brew my own beer, but since I fly, I'm building my own airplane in my spare time, which is not much lately, and I have young kids, my wife suggested something less time consuming!! I roast in a poppery I that I picked up on ebay in November. I dump in 4 oz of beans and roast for 5 to 6 minutes, depending on the beans. Brew into a thermos pot because when I work from home I sometimes I don't get to the third cup right away and I don't like burnt coffee. It's really amazing how good it tastes. I know that people will scoff at my pot, that people have roasting profiles in more sophisticated equipment, but for me, my setup is easy, it produces a good cup of coffee and I'm happy. I have a hard time drinking coffee outside of the home, however. It will never be the same because it will taste like junk. I have a question, though. How much do you grind for an 8 or 10 cup pot? I go by visual in my whirly grinder and it seems ok. Also, I've seen reference on the list to resting times. I've seen on some of the SM pages that you should use them withing 5 days. People seem to let them rest longer than that. Jeff
I have been using Linux for awhile also. Mostly use Slackware but also have Fedora and Ubuntu installed along with XP. Still haven't been able to get the rest of the family to give up on windows yet.
stereoplegic wrote: <Snip> I don't fiddle with that GNU/Linux stuff. I just call it Linux. :-) KDE and Gnome are useful for different sorts of tasks than a more bare-bones window manager. At one point I used nothing but Windowmaker, but now I'm happily using KDE. <Snip>
Dan Hanson wrote: <Snip> I've converted a few people over to SuSE from Windows. It comes with everything they need and even works similarly in many ways. (With the KDE desktop anyway.) Ubuntu is another possibility for weaning people off Windows, as is Linspire. I bet a lot more people will be looking into Linux now that Vista has been released and people are seeing what it's really like. :-)
"Jeff Dingbaum" writes: <Snip> Isn't that what it is all about. I might get a little more complicated later but right now I figure I'm having fun and, so far, my worst roast has been better than anything I have bought outside of Peet's, which I've only had once. <Snip> I grind 4 grams per cup. That is measuring the cup as the coffee maker measures, not what I get into my cup. <Snip> I think this is the same as roasts, grinds, and everything else. Rough guidelines can be given but a lot of it is dependent on the bean, the roaster (both the machine and the person) the coffee maker, the ambient temperature, the phase of the moon, the age of the sacrifice to the coffee gods... you get the point. I think that I get pretty good flavor at 12 hours... good enough for me, anyway, and better flavor after 24. I have just gotten my first "big bags" so I am doing more experimentation with more controlled conditions. I'll see how much difference it makes to me and adjust accordingly. Take care, rdc -- Robert D. Crawford robdcraw 30 day money back guarantee minus shipping, 10% restocking charge, and 7% cancellation charge.
"Dan Hanson" writes: <Snip> I just did a fresh Debian install on a laptop for my partner and she is using it off and on. She would like to get away from MS but publishes a independent magazine and needs to get things working before switching. Take care, rdc -- Robert D. Crawford robdcraw For adult education nothing beats children.
I live in the terminal (just about literally). It seems like everytime I roast on the IR2 I'm wishing I had the time to build up some roaster that let me program in a detailed roast curve (for real) that would read the bean temp and put it where I want it. On Feb 21, 2007, at 3:20 AM, Robert D. Crawford wrote: <Snip>
You're a newbie. I started with slack, switched to RH2, and switched back. About a year later I ended up on Debian and have been there since. Anyone remember the glibc2 migration fun? On Feb 21, 2007, at 5:49 AM, Robert D. Crawford wrote: <Snip>
Linux-shminux. Isn't it time for one of us old furts to start talking about walking out of the lab at school with piles of punch cards, slipping, and watching 23 hours of work slide down the hall in front of us. vicki (oh the humanity) Mike Garfias wrote: <Snip>
Yeah... Did a lot of all-nighters getting my deck proofed and submitted to the 360/50... Had to go back the next day to get the printout and discover if I was an idiot... I was. But a better idiot than most, and aced the classes.... Worked well in the long run... Now I hack popcorn poppers and use an old coffee can as a knock box I'm making great headway... Brett On 2/21/07, Vicki Smith wrote: <Snip> -- Cheers, Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com
--Apple-Mail-1-546765117 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset -ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Feb 21, 2007, at 9:06 PM, Vicki Smith wrote: <Snip> Ohh punch cards .. haven't had to handle those in YEARS.. aren;t they museum stuff now ?? How about paper tape ?? trying to piece the ripped pieces back together so the machine will read it ... I could go on and on ...ROFL.. --John -------------- John F. Coffey Email - john P.O. Box 524 Blaine, WA 98231 --Apple-Mail-1-546765117 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset O-8859-1 On Feb 21, 2007, = at 9:06 PM, Vicki Smith wrote:
And this has what to do with coffee? <Snip> out <Snip> lighter <Snip> music, <Snip> now <Snip> being). <Snip> KDE. <Snip> interface <Snip> nice <Snip> in <Snip> unsvbscribes) go to =http://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings
The link from this to coffee is not too hard, we are all control freaks over our coffee, Linux geeks are all control freaks over their OS/Apps, and where you have IT people in general there is never a shortage of caffeinated beverages and it is most likely they hot type. Combine the two and pour in water that is exactly 200 degrees... sorry, I was thinking about my cup-o-coffee I am drinking. Got a pot of Brazil Cachoeira da Grama Yellow Bourbon with me and am about to start building a CentOS (read free Redhat clone for those of you that are of the GNU breed) intrusion detection system for a network and figure out what to make next, I think the Sumatra Mandheling "Blue Batak" man I love that stuff.
Coffee was invented as an optimization strategy for the computer programmer... doh. Brett On 2/22/07, hermit wrote: <Snip> -- Cheers, Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com
I mention the use of slide rules to my kids, and I start feeling like I am talking about Ancient Egypt... from personal experience. Lynne On 2/22/07, Vicki Smith wrote: <Snip>
On 2/22/07, hermit wrote: And this has what to do with coffee? ------------------------------- In olden tymes, programmers, particularly system programmers, worked graveyard shifts, since that was the only time we could get on the mainframe computers without worrying about crashing the operating system. Without coffee, we never could have survived, and with it, we kept on coding. And, yeah, and it was always really baaaaad coffee ... Larry
yes, it's off topic, hence the "OT" in the subject line. if you don't want to receive OT banter, set up a filter, as was just mentioned in the "bandwidth..." thread. hermit wrote: <Snip>
Robert D. Crawford wrote: <Snip> I used Debian for years everywhere I could, but I think I would now prefer Ubuntu for a desktop or workstation. (Ubuntu doesn't like the hardware I have on my desk at work, so I am using SuSE there.) I still use Debian for servers, although I can see why people would use RatHed or SuSE for those. (I'm not very happy with the way Novell has been in bed with MS, so I doubt I'll be a SuSE user much longer.)
Mike Garfias wrote: <Snip> I don't remember it being so bad on Debian. I suspect it was worse on RatHed though. I think I started on Yggdrasil and then went to Slackware. I later tried RH, but didn't like it. <Snip>
Vicki Smith wrote: <Snip> My Mom used punch cards at school in the late '70s when taking a COBOL course. I lucked out and didn't have to use them. (They made neat holiday wreaths though.) :-) <Snip>
hermit wrote: <Snip> Look at the subject line. See that little "OT?" Get it? :-) <Snip>
Lynne Biziewski wrote: <Snip> I used a slide rule (my Dad's old one) in high school. They wouldn't let people use electronic calculators (TI had just released scientific calculators), but they'd let you use a slipstick. A slide rule was lighter than carrying around a book with the tables and I found it was faster too. <Snip>
Larry English wrote: <Snip> In more modern times... :-) I was working at a large regional ISP from the mid '90s and on, and the online auction sites started to take off. I put in a silly little bid for a Krups espresso machine at Onsale.com and won. I had it shipped to work and had a mini expresso bar in my office for a while. I could hardly get any work done in between pulling shots for people. :-) <Snip>
I was restraining myself, but ... Punch cards were a HUGE improvement over paper tape, particularly when you were punching it on a SO machine (no feedback as to what key you hit, just holes in the tape). With punch cards you could actually insert the instruction you forgot without re-keying the whole program. (The original Illiac used WWII surplus Teletype machines for preparing one's input.) Yes, I've "pied" a box of 2000 cards. You learn to put diagonal marks across the edges with a marker. We also had a tabulator which would take your deck and add sequence numbers to the last five or six columns. (Pied is a typesetting term for a box of jumbled letters from back when one hand set lines of type.) Most of my engineering drafts had rings from my coffee cup somewhere. Roger derbyrmhttp://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
"...this has what to do with coffee?" Nichts, except they were probably consuming same for the midnighters. Their pleasure, not others'. Heil, Hitler! -ro
Cmon ray, how does consuming coffee have anything to do with coffee? Can't you further elaborate? Brett On 2/23/07, raymanowen wrote: <Snip> -- Cheers, Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com
Yeah, but this has already grown like Jack's beanstalk... -ro